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After losing its second iPhone prototype in two years, Apple has posted a pair of job openings for Managers for New Product Security to help safeguard the company's unreleased products and related intellectual property.

Apple listed the two identical job descriptions, first discovered by PC Mag, late last week, shortly after the news broke that the company was searching for a lost prototype of the fifth-generation iPhone. Though it's possible that the recently lost iPhone may be unrelated to Apple's search for security managers, high-profile incidents both last year and this year do appear to indicate a lapse in its usually tight secrecy that the company is working to rectify.

The Cupertino, Calif., company is searching two managers responsible "for overseeing the protection of, and managing risks to, Apples unreleased products and related intellectual property." The positions are based at its headquarters and will require as much as 30 percent travel both domestic and abroad.

Candidates are expected to have a proven record of "accurately assessing physical and logical security implementations" and making risk management recommendations while considering impact on "corporate culture, business operations, system architectures, manufacturing processes, and employee workflows." They are also expected to have had success implementing a "variety of security technologies." The New Product Security Manager will also work to mitigate risks associated with the company's "multi-tiered electronics supply chain."

Apple also expects the candidate to hold an advanced degree in risk or security management, as well as protection professional certification. The posting also lists more than five years of security assessment as a requirement for the position.

Two of Apple's security officials made headlines last week after reports emerged that they had accompanied police officers to the San Francisco residence of a man suspected of being in possession of the lost iPhone 5 prototype. The device is said to have been left at a bar in the Mission district of San Francisco in July before being quickly tracked by Apple to a Bernal Heights house.

Though there was some initial confusion as to whether the police joined in the investigation, the San Francisco Police Department has since stated that "three or four" of its officers accompanied Apple's security officials, but did not enter the house. One of the security officials reportedly served as a San Jose Police sergeant before joining Apple as a "senior investigator."

"Apple came to us saying that they were looking for a lost item, and some plainclothes officers responded out to the house with them," SFPD spokesman Lt. Troy Dangerfield said. "My understanding is that they stood outside...They just assisted Apple to the address."

Last year, an Apple engineer reportedly left a test iPhone 4 unit in a Redwood City, Calif., bar, where it was found and eventually sold to a publication. Two individuals have been charged with "misappropriation of lost property" in connection with the incident.

According to recently leaked Wikileaks diplomatic cables, Apple's security officials have also struggled to protect Apple's brand and products in Asia, where millions of counterfeit iPods, iPhones and accessories are produced every year. An Apple security team director was noted as telling U.S. embassy officials that he was "afraid" of his company's inexperience with the situation.

Earlier this year, millions of dollars of convincing counterfeit products, including fake iPhones and iPods (pictured below), were confiscated in Los Angeles. Apple also recently executed a warrant for a raid against a New York store allegedly selling counterfeit Apple accessories as part of an ongoing lawsuit against a number of parties.

Source: L.A. Times
post #2 of 28
Or you could just buy some rope...

Tie the darn things to the field testers arms.
post #3 of 28
Jeez... only give the prototypes to people who have been with the company a few years and can be trusted. And are non-ditzy. You don't need a dedicated gestapo.
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Or ... or ... Apple could hire more responsible and non-scatterbrained engineers to field test their prototypes.

Weren't both iPhone prototypes lost in bars ...? Maybe there's something to learn from that. Alcohol doesn't usually increase one's responsibility ...
post #5 of 28
That's what I don't understand... I have had 2 iPhones over the course of 3 and a bit years.

Have been with me in my travels everyday of owning one.

I have never once lost my iphone or forgotten about it when leaving home, or anywhere to be honest. I am a consumer and have no reason to be so overprotective of my iPhone apart for my love of it.

I cant understand how 'you' - Apple and the individual employee, could lose a prototype iPhone, knowing the magnitude of risks involved.

It's totally baffling.
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It's totally baffling.

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post #7 of 28
The position has some definite perks, like company issued footwear:

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Jaegermeister. Never underestimate its power.

It's a basic liqueur and medicinal. It must be the German/Welsh in me because I never got drunk off it or Goldschlager. Then again I'm a Booker's Bourbon/Baker's/Nob Creek straight jigger drinker when I want a solid drink.

I do recall several colleagues who couldn't hold their Merlot at company functions down in Cupertino. That would be an immediate elimination if I were assessing who gets to test the systems.
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It's a basic liqueur and medicinal. It must be the German/Welsh in me because I never got drunk off it or Goldschlager. Then again I'm a Booker's Bourbon/Baker's/Nob Creek straight jigger drinker when I want a solid drink.

I do recall several colleagues who couldn't hold their Merlot at company functions down in Cupertino. That would be an immediate elimination if I were assessing who gets to test the systems.

I'd like a cut of your jib. Rather than implement an AA program at Apple HQ they should instead have rigorous alcohol-tolerance testing to determine who gets to carry prototypes around.
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After losing its second iPhone prototype in two years, Apple has posted a pair of job openings for Managers for New Product Security to help safeguard the company's unreleased products and related intellectual property.

In other news, Apple closes the barn door after the horses have escaped...
post #11 of 28
So where is this lost prototype? It must be a redesIgned iPhone 4 or it would on some site somewhere. Maybe no one recognizes it.
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So where is this lost prototype? It must be a redesIgned iPhone 4 or it would on some site somewhere. Maybe no one recognizes it.

Winging it's way to Samsung
post #13 of 28
I question the disappearance of a product that hasn't appeared in one photo on the internet, yet. Perhaps this is merely part of some cleverly orchestrated hype machine?
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I question the disappearance of a product that hasn't appeared in one photo on the internet, yet. Perhaps this is merely part of some cleverly orchestrated hype machine?

Seems pretty low-brow for an Apple promo. Also it would get them into a lot of trouble for wasting police resource.

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post #15 of 28
How about a "Prototypes only go to teetotalers" rule?

Originally Posted by helia

I can break your arm if I apply enough force, but in normal handshaking this won't happen ever.
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1. The story of this job posting was on a dozen other sites 4 days ago

2. If you look at the job listing you can see that it has nothing to do with prototypes at all and is about a higher level of security like leaks from suppliers

3. SF Weekly is now on record saying that they have investigated further and believe that parts if not the entire story is bogus and was a set up by the bar name dropped (with menu details even) but 'the source' as a publicity stunt. Which makes sense cause there are things in the story like the time delay that don't add up if this was an actual prototype


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Originally Posted by Uelogy View Post

I cant understand how 'you' - Apple and the individual employee, could lose a prototype iPhone, knowing the magnitude of risks involved.

It's a chance they have to take to have an actual real world field test. That said, there is talk that in fact Hogan stole the phone (looking for a free iPhone not a prototype) out of the guys jacket. And as I just mentioned there is talk by one of the major news sources that this 2nd story is total BS

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post #18 of 28
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Seems pretty low-brow for an Apple promo. Also it would get them into a lot of trouble for wasting police resource.

Yup..
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post #19 of 28
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1. The story of this job posting was on a dozen other sites 4 days ago

2. If you look at the job listing you can see that it has nothing to do with prototypes at all and is about a higher level of security like leaks from suppliers

3. SF Weekly is now on record saying that they have investigated further and believe that parts if not the entire story is bogus and was a set up by the bar name dropped (with menu details even) but 'the source' as a publicity stunt. Which makes sense cause there are things in the story like the time delay that don't add up if this was an actual prototype

Man, please stop posting item #3. The SFPD have confirmed they were there and that Apple requested their assistance. That was confirmed like a day after the story broke.

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I missed that.

The most recent article at SF Weekly I could find confirms police participation:
http://blogs.sfweekly.com/thesnitch/...ple_police.php

URL?

He seems to be referring to articles written before the police confirmed they were there. During that single day, after the story broke, when the police could find no record of being involved, the speculation was that it was a hoax. As soon as the police confirmed they were there no one had any reason to believe it was made up by the bar owners, but for some reason people are still posting that theory.

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Or you could just buy some rope...

Tie the darn things to the field testers arms.

I'm sure Steve would rather have it tethered to another part of his/her anatomy, which would make it even more unlikely to be left behind on a barstool (Ouch).
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I'm sure Steve would rather have it tethered to another part of his/her anatomy, which would make it even more unlikely to be left behind on a barstool (Ouch).

Up bup bup. The carriers won't allow indecent tethering.

Originally Posted by helia

I can break your arm if I apply enough force, but in normal handshaking this won't happen ever.
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Originally Posted by helia

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post #24 of 28
Just pack all prototypes with a powerful explosive that can be remotely detonated when lost. 'Remote Wipe' would really have teeth then. Plus this would probably dissuade people stealing them once word got out.

"Look what I found on the bar! It's an iPhone prototype ... aaaaggghhh." Room clears in ten seconds ...
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Just pack all prototypes with a powerful explosive that can be remotely detonated when lost. 'Remote Wipe' would really have teeth then. Plus this would probably dissuade people stealing them once word got out.

"Look what I found on the bar! It's an iPhone prototype ... aaaaggghhh." Room clears in ten seconds ...

Trouble is, Apple will have to find a destruct technology that is small and thin (plastique?), and doesn't drain the battery (at least until activated).

Hey, Mission Impossible has had that technology for decades. "This iphone will self-destruct in ten, nine, eight ......"
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iPhone 5
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post #27 of 28
No need to hire another security manager. Apple already has too many secrets and security.

I say; just bar the drunkards from the sensitive equipments. It is as simple as that. I will understand if someone forgets a products at his girlfriend's house or at the park with the kids.

What are these forgetters? Barflies?
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What are these forgetters? Barflies?



I just had a horrible feeling they're going to come up with "Cheers Rebooted" and lost iPhones will be a big part of the first season. \
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