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Except the ports at the ends of the cable can't fit through the slot



That's not the issue here. The issue is thateven if you somehow manage to get the ports through the slotyou have some kitbashed cable DANGLING out of your computer.

Doing a little bit of bodywork is not exactly rocket science and what is the difference between a FW/USB/Ethernet/Power/monitor cable dangling of the back or the side of your computer and a kitbashed eSATA cable dangling out of your computer?
There have been official solutions implementing this:
http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/...-imac-ssd.html
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/turnk...c_2010_27/MPG1
post #42 of 88
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Doing a little bit of bodywork is not exactly rocket science and what is the difference between a FW/USB/Ethernet/Power/monitor cable dangling of the back or the side of your computer and a kitbashed eSATA cable dangling out of your computer?
There have been official solutions implementing this:
http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/...-imac-ssd.html
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/turnk...c_2010_27/MPG1

1) Not being rocket science doesn't mean it's not beyond what most consumers are willing to do to their machines.

2) One difference is that eSATA doesn't supply power, where FW and USB do. Hell, even Ethernet can supply power.
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post #43 of 88
Here is a Thunderbolt device that will allow for 3x PCIe card of your choice to be installed.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4743/t...-expressbox-3t You're not gonna do that with USB.
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post #44 of 88
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1) Not being rocket science doesn't mean it's not beyond what most consumers are willing to do to their machines.

2) One difference is that eSATA doesn't supply power, where FW and USB do. Hell, even Ethernet can supply power.

My OP was a reply to a post asking:
"What good will a USB3.0 hub do on a monitor that is designed to work on Macs that only have support for USB2.0?"
And my main point was thus that a Mac with only USB 2 ports (among the built-in ports) is in no way limited to USB 2 connections if it contains other 'ports' that can be used to create a bridge to USB 3. The whole eSATA issue was just another example of how not having certain ports does not mean it is impossible (or even difficult) to add those ports via some kind of 'bridge'. Somewhere in there was the notion that OS X (or the Mac firmware) need to support USB 3 for it to work even via some kind of bridge. Yes, you need extra drivers for eSATA and USB 3 ports on Macs but they can easily supplied by third-parties.
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Doing a little bit of bodywork is not exactly rocket science and what is the difference between a FW/USB/Ethernet/Power/monitor cable dangling of the back or the side of your computer and a kitbashed eSATA cable dangling out of your computer?
There have been official solutions implementing this:
http://macperformanceguide.com/blog/...-imac-ssd.html
http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/turnk...c_2010_27/MPG1

Why would I want someone to randomly drill a hole in my computer to bash together some random port?

Just buy a computer with eSATA if it means that freaking much to have it.

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post #46 of 88
so back to the matter at hand - has anyone confirmed TB displays at an Apple store yet?
post #47 of 88
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I always love this self-centered worldview, useless for me = useless for basically everybody. It carries this nice assumption that one's value judgements are the only valid judgements.

ditto
post #48 of 88
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ditto

Do they not sell sarcasm where you live?

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post #49 of 88
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You have to understand that jfanning has a learning disability. When you say every Mac clearly implying every new Mac, save for the Mac Pro which you mentioned, he doesn't understand that you don't mean every Mac going back to 1984. He simply doesn't have the ability to think critically about what is written so you either have to go to painstaking lengths to cover every foolish and pointless angle or just ignore him.

You are an idiot, you can clearly shown this over and over again. Once again the moderators will ignore your constant insults of others, they have shown again that like you, they are only interesting in saying everything that Apple does is wonder, and anyone else is terrible.

Get help with your condition, contact your local medical facility to ask for help. And while you are at it, how about using your real name rather than cowardly hiding behind a fake name.
post #50 of 88
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Which is every single Mac but the Mac Pro. Like I said.

No it isn't, saying every Mac would imply preexisting ones, which they clearly don't
post #51 of 88
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No it isn't, saying every Mac would imply preexisting ones, which they clearly don't

I want to clarify something before we go further with this. Is English your first language? If not, I apologize wholeheartedly for responding in that manner.

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post #52 of 88
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In my 33 years of observing Apple, the number of times they have paid attention to a petition == 0.

Give it up, Apple doesn't even do [ask for input from] focus groups [just feedback]!

- Apple has tens of thousands of people complaining on their own site about headaches and eye strain. (check for yourself). This after they have killed thousands of threads. They were even caught deleting the negative reviews on their displays for a while to give them a better consumer star rating.

- There have been numerous health groups and organizations that have warned about the negative side effects of Apple's mirrors. Optometrists are unified that these displays are a health risk. Again, check for yourself, couple million articles/blogs about it. But what does medical science know... right Tallest Shrill?

- There is no reason for the high gloss other then esthetics when the computer is off - sell shiny. It's only a matter of time before Apple is forced to change these displays. It would just be nice if they for once made a change before the inevitable class action lawsuit.

- Contrary to Tallest Shrills delusional fanboism - actual real 'professionals' don't go near these displays. NEC, Eizo, Dell, HP, Viewsonic, LaCie, Samsung, LG, all offer their 'professional' top end displays in matte and only in matte. Why? because that's what professionals want and need.

- I challenge anyone to read prosumer reviews that compare professional displays with Apple's - that don't bring up this glaring problem.

Apples solution is to hire a contractor and rebuild your home or workspace around the display... or live like a troglodyte. Or buy a cheap piece of plastic to cover the display. How arrogant. How embarrassing that you need a cheap piece of plastic to cover the Apple Display to make it usable outside of a cave.

Of course we have a choice as prosumers to not buy Apple's offerings, and that is exactly what people and companies are doing. That's not to say we don't want to buy Apple's displays which have great design esthetics and match our systems - we just can't. They are unusable.

The Mac Pro is a dying horse. We all know this. Especially with graphic performance 60-140% slower then their PC counterparts with the exact same video cards. As the Mac Pro dies - and iMac's rendered useless by the glossy displays - this continues to push professionals off the platform.

This is exactly why professionals are ticked off. We don't want to switch to Windows. We are heavily invested with software and equipment - and Apple is showing us the door as they abandon the professional market for the general consumer market.

So are the new displays beautiful and a technological wonder... sure.
They just aren't usable for the professional market or people who value their health.


ad hom attack away. Won't change the fact that Apple's displays are on par with the puck mouse.
post #53 of 88
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- Contrary to Tallest Shrills delusional fanboism

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ad hom attack away.

Looks like you're doing enough of that yourself.
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post #54 of 88
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Get help with your condition, contact your local medical facility to ask for help.

To me, that is a terrible thing to post. But if life is like a mirror, you will receive from the world what you give.
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post #55 of 88
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Looks like you're doing enough of that yourself.

Reality bites sometimes doesn't it.
post #56 of 88
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- Apple has tens of thousands of people complaining on their own site about headaches and eye strain. (check for yourself). This after they have killed thousands of threads. They were even caught deleting the negative reviews on their displays for a while to give them a better consumer star rating.

If a more blatant lie exists, I haven't heard one.

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- There have been numerous health groups and organizations that have warned about the negative side effects of Apple's mirrors. Optometrists are unified that these displays are a health risk.

I FRICKING STAND CORRECTED.

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This is exactly why professionals are ticked off. We don't want to switch to Windows.

Please do.

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post #57 of 88
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

If a more blatant lie exists, I haven't heard one.

The one you just stated for starters... or don't you know how to search Apple's forums?

You are relatively new to the Apple scene - so again, I'll give you some advise; You would be wise to do some reading and research before you comment on every single article. Especially since you don't have much 'hands-on' experience or real-world insight regarding some topics.
Some you do, it would seem. Your very adept and knowledgeable regarding the technology. It's the real-world application where your arguments collapse and you resort to name calling.
I equate this to ego and maybe trying to protect your investment.

We appreciate your enthusiasm. However, your ostensible judgement that all things Apple are perfect in every way... well, that's not reality is it? There is a word for that - an F word we don't like to throw around lightly.
post #58 of 88
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Originally Posted by Mode View Post

- Apple has tens of thousands of people complaining on their own site about headaches and eye strain. (check for yourself). This after they have killed thousands of threads. They were even caught deleting the negative reviews on their displays for a while to give them a better consumer star rating.

Dunno about the first part but if I had advertised a glossy product and someone bought it only to complain that it's glossy, I'd be damn sure to delete that review. I don't want my customers thinking that stupid people are so attracted to my product.
post #59 of 88
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You are relatively new to the Apple scene



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We...



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...your ostensible judgement that all things Apple are perfect in every way...



Well, yeah, I guess if you can just make crap up about tech based on zero fact, you can make crap up about people based on zero fact. I shouldn't be surprised at your post.

Ooh! Now everyone, everyone get over here. Watch as he takes what I just said above and turns it back on me with something like, "Yes, you certainly do."

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post #60 of 88
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Ooh! Now everyone, everyone get over here. Watch as he takes what I just said above and turns it back on me with something like, "Yes, you certainly do."

Your need for approval from readers of a blog speaks volumes about your insecurities.

I stand by my advise to you. We would all appreciate it.
post #61 of 88
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Originally Posted by Mode View Post

- Apple has tens of thousands of people complaining on their own site about headaches and eye strain. (check for yourself). This after they have killed thousands of threads. They were even caught deleting the negative reviews on their displays for a while to give them a better consumer star rating.

- There have been numerous health groups and organizations that have warned about the negative side effects of Apple's mirrors. Optometrists are unified that these displays are a health risk. Again, check for yourself, couple million articles/blogs about it. But what does medical science know... right Tallest Shrill?

- There is no reason for the high gloss other then esthetics when the computer is off - sell shiny. It's only a matter of time before Apple is forced to change these displays. It would just be nice if they for once made a change before the inevitable class action lawsuit.

- Contrary to Tallest Shrills delusional fanboism - actual real 'professionals' don't go near these displays. NEC, Eizo, Dell, HP, Viewsonic, LaCie, Samsung, LG, all offer their 'professional' top end displays in matte and only in matte. Why? because that's what professionals want and need.

- I challenge anyone to read prosumer reviews that compare professional displays with Apple's - that don't bring up this glaring problem.

Apples solution is to hire a contractor and rebuild your home or workspace around the display... or live like a troglodyte. Or buy a cheap piece of plastic to cover the display. How arrogant. How embarrassing that you need a cheap piece of plastic to cover the Apple Display to make it usable outside of a cave.

Of course we have a choice as prosumers to not buy Apple's offerings, and that is exactly what people and companies are doing. That's not to say we don't want to buy Apple's displays which have great design esthetics and match our systems - we just can't. They are unusable.

The Mac Pro is a dying horse. We all know this. Especially with graphic performance 60-140% slower then their PC counterparts with the exact same video cards. As the Mac Pro dies - and iMac's rendered useless by the glossy displays - this continues to push professionals off the platform.

This is exactly why professionals are ticked off. We don't want to switch to Windows. We are heavily invested with software and equipment - and Apple is showing us the door as they abandon the professional market for the general consumer market.

So are the new displays beautiful and a technological wonder... sure.
They just aren't usable for the professional market or people who value their health.


ad hom attack away. Won't change the fact that Apple's displays are on par with the puck mouse.

All you say may well be true!

But it doesn't change the fact that Apple has a history of not responding too petitions.

I merely tried to point that out -- don't dump on me, it won't give you satisfaction, either!
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post #62 of 88
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Dunno about the first part but if I had advertised a glossy product and someone bought it only to complain that it's glossy, I'd be damn sure to delete that review. I don't want my customers thinking that stupid people are so attracted to my product.

Apple purges it's threads like this one all the time... but new ones keep popping up.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0

Apparently, the above link doesn't exist and is a lie or something
post #63 of 88
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Originally Posted by Mode View Post

Your need for approval from readers of a blog speaks volumes about your insecurities.

I stand by my advise to you. We would all appreciate it.


I for one, do not like it when someone else:

1) has the audacity to speak to what my opinion is, without asking it:

or

2) to use the word "we" in a condescending manner or as the royal "we"

Finally, I have noticed that your posts are often arrogant, and contrary... your ideas might be better received if you were to try a more modest approach.
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post #64 of 88
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

All you say may well be true!

But it doesn't change the fact that Apple has a history of not responding too petitions.

I merely tried to point that out -- don't dump on me, it won't give you satisfaction, either!

I apologize Applebaum, didn't mean to dump on you. Used your post as a jump.
I agree with your comment. Apple doesn't respond to petitions - but they do to class action lawsuits.
I'm thinking it's just a matter of time before that happens no doubt- with all the blood sucking lawyers out there. Not that I agree with that approach.

I'm steamed because I have to purchase a dozen new displays and I waited for this refresh in hopes of a 'functional' option.
Disappointed again.
The good people at NEC or Dell won't be.
post #65 of 88
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I for one, do not like it when someone else:

1) has the audacity to speak to what my opinion is, without asking it:

or

2) to use the word "we" in a condescending manner or as the royal "we"

Finally, I have noticed that your posts are often arrogant, and contrary... your ideas might be better received if you were to try a more modest approach.

Noted.
post #66 of 88
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I apologize Applebaum, didn't mean to dump on you. Used your post as a jump.
I agree with your comment. Apple doesn't respond to petitions - but they do to class action lawsuits.
I'm thinking it's just a matter of time before that happens no doubt- with all the blood sucking lawyers out there. Not that I agree with that approach.

I'm steamed because I have to purchase a dozen new displays and I waited for this refresh in hopes of a 'functional' option.
Disappointed again.
The good people at NEC or Dell won't be.

Accepted!
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post #67 of 88
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To me, that is a terrible thing to post. But if life is like a mirror, you will receive from the world what you give.

If you had read the entire thread you would have noticed that I was replying to someone else, so your comment should be directed to them.
post #68 of 88
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I want to clarify something before we go further with this. Is English your first language? If not, I apologize wholeheartedly for responding in that manner.

It doesn't matter what my native language is, it appears to be you having trouble with English.
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It doesn't matter what my native language is, it appears to be you having trouble with English.

Uh, hardly. How I said what I said is the accepted convention. No one (but a non-native speaker, which is why I asked) would have legitimately misunderstood what I said to mean "every single product ever created by Apple Computer Inc. at any point in history since its inception".

Because how I said it is how everyone says it. Because how I said it is how Apple said it.

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post #70 of 88
so......has anyone confirmed if the TB displays are in stores??
post #71 of 88
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Uh, hardly. How I said what I said is the accepted convention. No one (but a non-native speaker, which is why I asked) would have legitimately misunderstood what I said to mean "every single product ever created by Apple Computer Inc. at any point in history since its inception".

Because how I said it is how everyone says it. Because how I said it is how Apple said it.

Really? You used the word "every", I didn't see that mentioned one bit in the image you linked to
post #72 of 88
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Really? You used the word "every", I didn't see that mentioned one bit in the image you linked to

Just come off it. This conversation is over.

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post #73 of 88
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Just come off it. This conversation is over.

He does that every time. He doesn't read caraefully enough or has an inability to comprehend English to the point of understanding what is being said then instead of apologizing for his error he continues to backpeddle into more ludicrous positions of how it's all your fault for not being clear enough as if you really suggested a Mac in 1984 had Thunderbolt when the tech just came out this year. Best to just ignore him or you'll let him jack even more threads. He gets a kick out of derailingx threads.
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He does that every time. He doesn't read caraefully enough or has an inability to comprehend English to the point of understanding what is being said then instead of apologizing for his error he continues to backpeddle into more ludicrous positions of how it's all your fault for not being clear enough as if you really suggested a Mac in 1984 had Thunderbolt when the tech just came out this year. Best to just ignore him or you'll let him jack even more threads. He gets a kick out of derailingx threads.

Good to know; thanks, solipsism.

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He does that every time. He doesn't read caraefully enough or has an inability to comprehend English to the point of understanding what is being said then instead of apologizing for his error he continues to backpeddle into more ludicrous positions of how it's all your fault for not being clear enough as if you really suggested a Mac in 1984 had Thunderbolt when the tech just came out this year. Best to just ignore him or you'll let him jack even more threads. He gets a kick out of derailingx threads.

You have promised over and over again to ignore me, what is your problem? why the continued lies? You constantly abuse people on this site at every opportunity you get, get over yourself or seek the medical help you desperatly require.

Once again you have put in rubbish that no one, not even me has said, or implied, it is just one lie after another with you
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Just come off it. This conversation is over.

Just come off it? Pardon? If you are going to make a claim please at least have the balls to stand up to the claim rather than back down.
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Good to know; thanks, solipsism.

Ok, you are thanking him, now I know why you are running away from your weak argument.
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Ok, you are thanking him, now I know why you are running away from your weak argument.

Note: I'm not responding to you, I'm asking the forum in general.

Is this clown serious? Does he genuinely think he has "won" or is he always this pathetic?

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post #79 of 88
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Note: I'm not responding to you, I'm asking the forum in general.

Is this clown serious? Does he genuinely think he has "won" or is he always this pathetic?

Actually you are responding to me, if you weren't you would have created a new message.

Since you are the one that is now performing the name calling, I don't think I have won, I know I have.

You made a mistake, you were corrected, get over it.
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Which is every single Mac but the Mac Pro. Like I said.

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You have to understand that jfanning has a learning disability. When you say every Mac clearly implying every new Mac, save for the Mac Pro which you mentioned, he doesn't understand that you don't mean every Mac going back to 1984.

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You are an idiot, you can clearly shown this over and over again.

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Since you are the one that is now performing the name calling, I don't think I have won, I know I have.

jfanning, please?
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