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A picture has surfaced online that is alleged to have been taken by an Apple engineer with an 8-megapixel camera from the still-unannounced fifth-generation iPhone.

The data associated with the so-called "test photo" discovered by PocketNow states that it was shot with an iPhone 4, but also reveals that the picture, cropped to a size of 5 megapixels, was originally a much-higher resolution just shy of 8 megapixels.

"What's more, the lens was recorded as a 4.3mm f/2.4, which is closer to that of a point-and-shoot than the iPhone 4's actual 3.85mm f/2.8," the report said.

However, the data could also be bogus, as the site noted it was recently duped by an image taken with an iPhone, then uploaded to an iPad using software that altered the EXIF data associated with the image.

"We suppose that a similar scenario is also possible here," author Evan Blass wrote, "but there's one compelling piece of evidence which suggests that this is indeed a genuine iPhone 5 photo: it was supposedly shot by an Apple engineer eating his lunch at work."

The purported iPhone 5 photo is bolstered by numerous rumors that Apple's next-generation handset will sport an 8-megapixel camera. This week, a new report claimed that Apple had tapped both Largan Precision and genius Electronic Optical to supply those lenses for the next iPhone.

Photo allegedly taken by an Apple engineer with an iPhone 5. Click to see full-size.

In fact, the supposed 8-megapixel shooter has been perhaps the only relatively consistent element in rumors leading up to the unveiling of the so-called "iPhone 5." Reports claiming Apple will adopt an 8-megapixel camera began surfacing earlier this year.

Apple is widely expected to publicly unveil its next iPhone in the coming weeks at a press event. Numerous reports have pointed toward an October launch of the fifth-generation iPhone.
post #2 of 67
Okay camera experts, what does this mean for taking photos? 25% larger lens?
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post #3 of 67
The image doesn't look that great. Maybe it doesn't have a fast enough shutter speed or something.
post #4 of 67
Great food photo. Lighting is adequate and the colours, contrast, and white balance are excellent. (Considering most food photos look like this http://www.flickr.com/photos/ernestngai/6123390743/ because of dim restaurant lights.)
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Great food photo. Lighting is adequate and the colours, contrast, and white balance are excellent.

f2.4? That makes sense for a close shot like this, but do these mini cameras have variable aperture?
post #6 of 67
The Sushi looks dried out
post #7 of 67
f/28? uhhhhh
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"We suppose that a similar scenario is also possible here," author Evan Blass wrote, "but there's one compelling piece of evidence which suggests that this is indeed a genuine iPhone 5 photo: it was supposedly shot by an Apple engineer eating his lunch at work."

O yea, if it was at work where is the apple logo on the plate? I don't know... this could be taken by anyone with any phone anywhere.

Oh and should it be f24 instead of f2.4 or f2.8 instead of f28?
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post #9 of 67
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author Evan Blass wrote, "but there's one compelling piece of evidence which suggests that this is indeed a genuine iPhone 5 photo: it was supposedly shot by an Apple engineer eating his lunch at work."

So wait, just because this is a picture of food and the rumor alleges it was taken by an Apple engineer at lunch, it's supposed to be evidence of the photo's authenticity? How is this "compelling" evidence?
post #10 of 67
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Okay camera experts, what does this mean for taking photos? 25% larger lens?

No.

The best thing is going from f/2.8 to f/2.4. That's a faster lens meaning improved low light performance. That's about a half-stop, about 50% more light reaching the sensor. Now if the sensors have equal performance, that 50% remains. However, if the sensor in the upcoming handset has improved low-light performance, that would result in additional performance.

The biggest beneficiary of improved low-light performance would actually be video recording since the effective shutter speed is 1/60th of a second.

It's hard to say what the implications of the focal length change are since we don't know if the sensor size changed. If the sensor size stays the same and the focal length increases, there would be more of a telephoto effect (or more accurately, less of a wide-angle effect). If the sensor size increases as well as the focal length, the image perspective would remain largely the same. The benefit of a large sensor is more light sensitivity with the possible consequence of more power consumption. The latter is probably negligible since the camera module usually isn't active.
post #11 of 67
Definitely not good with details. Look at the rice grains. Shaky to the least - either the engineer was starving (can't fault anybody else judging by the diet) or the camera is not that good with processing details in that situation. Also, the flash must have been turned off or it was fired prior to the picture was taken and it is wide apart as rumoured.

Oh, I wouldn't eat that....
post #12 of 67
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Originally Posted by pcmonahan View Post

The Sushi looks dried out

Looks okay to me. The salmon looks like it might be farmed salmon though.
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Originally Posted by Splash-reverse View Post

Definitely not good with details. Look at the rice grains. Shaky to the least -..

1/30 fps. No wonder it looks shaky.
post #14 of 67
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Originally Posted by sheff View Post

O yea, if it was at work where is the apple logo on the plate? I don't know... this could be taken by anyone with any phone anywhere.

Oh and should it be f24 instead of f2.4 or f2.8 instead of f28?


Not exactly any phone anywhere. The embed shows 8 megapixels before cropping, and GPS for One Infinity Drive.
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It's hard to say what the implications of the focal length change are since we don't know if the sensor size changed.

Wise words. At least we got half a stop. White balance looks awesome too.
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Originally Posted by Lochias View Post

Not exactly any phone anywhere. The embed shows 8 megapixels before cropping, and GPS for One Infinity Drive.

Don't you mean One Infinite Loop?
post #17 of 67
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The image doesn't look that great. Maybe it doesn't have a fast enough shutter speed or something.

Sounds to me as 'tho you're not looking for a phone that takes photos ...... but rather a camera that makes phone calls. Let me know how that's "workin' for ya." ....
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post #18 of 67
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Okay camera experts, what does this mean for taking photos? 25% larger lens?

If sensor size stays the same (which I doubt) it means the len is less wide. (it also means my wife would be pissed.)
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O yea, if it was at work where is the apple logo on the plate?

There aren't Apple logos on the plates at the 1 Infinite Loop cafeteria.

Everyone's going insane. They're acting as though it's impossible to manually insert EXIF data into an image. This could have been taken in a back alley in Toledo, for crying out loud.

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post #20 of 67
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

So wait, just because this is a picture of food and the rumor alleges it was taken by an Apple engineer at lunch, it's supposed to be evidence of the photo's authenticity? How is this "compelling" evidence?

Because it is "evoking interest, attention, or admiration in a powerfully irresistible way" ..... which is one of the meanings of compelling ... simple, no?
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post #21 of 67
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If sensor size stays the same (which I doubt) it means the len is less wide. (my wife would be pissed.)

"Honey, is my whole ass in the picture, now" ? .....
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post #22 of 67
Ha!
post #23 of 67
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Because it is "evoking interest, attention, or admiration in a powerfully irresistible way" ..... which is one of the meanings of compelling ... simple, no?

The part I have a problem with is the "powerfully irresistible way". The author claiming this was shot by an Apple engineer at lunch isn't exactly what I would call powerful or irresistible. So for me, it's a picture of a plate of food with EXIF that can be faked and not really compelling. Now if the plate had an Apple logo on it, that might be.
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"Honey, is my whole ass in the picture, now" ? .....

Blame Apple honey.
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

... Now if the plate had an Apple logo on it, that might be.

If the plate had an Apple logo on it, that would be your clue that it was fake.
post #26 of 67
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Originally Posted by sheff View Post

O yea, if it was at work where is the apple logo on the plate? I don't know... this could be taken by anyone with any phone anywhere.

Oh and should it be f24 instead of f2.4 or f2.8 instead of f28?

The latter. f2.4 is quite fast for a zoom lens but not so much for a static lens, but f24 or f28 is ridiculously slow. I don't know much about cell phone camera lenses but it can't be f28. That's for sure.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

If the plate had an Apple logo on it, that would be your clue that it was fake.

Thus the wink at the end of my comment.
post #28 of 67
is sea urchin any good? That looks so gross, but I'm curious lol.

Anyways, I think I'd rather take IQ over MP. The newest camera I have does 20, and what I've found the larger sizes to be beneficial the most for is zooming in once the photo has been taken. It's amazing how after you zoom in entirely with the camera, how detailed objects get the farther away they are, and the bigger the image is (so you have plenty of detail.)

anyways, 8mp camera will be a nice selling point of the ip5
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What's more, the lens was recorded as a 4.3mm f/2.4, which is closer to that of a point-and-shoot than the iPhone 4's actual 3.85mm f/2.8," the report said.

The effect of the lens size is dependent on the distance from the lens to the surface of the chip, and on the chip size so the comparison is not valid until we know more details. The lens being 2.4 instead of 2.8 means that it will be slightly better in lower light situations.

Personally I would like to see the lens ever so slightly recessed. Mine got scratched in the first week.
post #30 of 67
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

If the plate had an Apple logo on it, that would be your clue that it was fake.

Also, when the image has caption that says anything like "this is not a fake."
post #31 of 67
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Also, when the image has caption that says anything like "this is not a fake."

Or has an encircled "confidential" printed on the image.

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post #32 of 67
any chance this could have RAW image support? my wife has been bugging me for a DSLR and i don't want to buy on
post #33 of 67
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is sea urchin any good? That looks so gross, but I'm curious lol.

A few billion people in Southeast Asia consider it a delicacy, a culinary treat. Much of the sea urchin harvested from the west coast of the United States is sent abroad. The typical Westerner foodie will say its an acquired taste.

Freshness is key. Good uni is really, really fresh.

Aesthetically, its appearance is not so different than many Western foods like mashed potatoes, pureed vegetables or peanut butter. If you find uni gross, you probably have issue with large parts of the typical American diet.
post #34 of 67
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A picture has surfaced online that is alleged to have been taken by an Apple engineer with an 8-megapixel camera from the still-unannounced fifth-generation iPhone.

The data associated with the so-called "test photo" discovered by PocketNow states that it was shot with an iPhone 4, but also reveals that the picture, cropped to a size of 5 megapixels, was originally a much-higher resolution just shy of 8 megapixels.

"What's more, the lens was recorded as a 4.3mm f/2.4, which is closer to that of a point-and-shoot than the iPhone 4's actual 3.85mm f/2.8," the report said.

However, the data could also be bogus, as the site noted it was recently duped by an image taken with an iPhone, then uploaded to an iPad using software that altered the EXIF data associated with the image.

"We suppose that a similar scenario is also possible here," author Evan Blass wrote, "but there's one compelling piece of evidence which suggests that this is indeed a genuine iPhone 5 photo: it was supposedly shot by an Apple engineer eating his lunch at work."

The purported iPhone 5 photo is bolstered by numerous rumors that Apple's next-generation handset will sport an 8-megapixel camera. This week, a new report claimed that Apple had tapped both Largan Precision and genius Electronic Optical to supply those lenses for the next iPhone.

Photo allegedly taken by an Apple engineer with an iPhone 5. Click to see full-size.

In fact, the supposed 8-megapixel shooter has been perhaps the only relatively consistent element in rumors leading up to the unveiling of the so-called "iPhone 5." Reports claiming Apple will adopt an 8-megapixel camera began surfacing earlier this year.

Apple is widely expected to publicly unveil its next iPhone in the coming weeks at a press event. Numerous reports have pointed toward an October launch of the fifth-generation iPhone.

I don't see how a picture proves that this was an 8 megapixel image and it came from an iPhone 5. Anyone writing you that can say that but can't prove it, so why bother posting something that you can't prove?
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any chance this could have RAW image support? my wife has been bugging me for a DSLR and i don't want to buy on

Extremely unlikely? RAW would be overkill.
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any chance this could have RAW image support? my wife has been bugging me for a DSLR and i don't want to buy on

I would guess that the next-generation iPhone has 0.01% chance of having native RAW support.
post #37 of 67
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I don't see how a picture proves that this was an 8 megapixel image and it came from an iPhone 5. Anyone writing you that can say that but can't prove it, so why bother posting something that you can't prove?

You've just shut down this site. Nice going.

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post #38 of 67
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Originally Posted by Rob55 View Post

Don't you mean One Infinite Loop?

Well we knew it was California by the avocado rolls.

Why someone would claim it is shot with some camera yet strip all the meta data which would lend some credibility doesn't make sense.

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post #39 of 67
Why isn't there meta or exif data in this picture? All it says is Quicktime 7.6.6
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1/30 fps. No wonder it looks shaky.

This wasn't a video. In other words, 1/30 s, not 1/30 fps.
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