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Apple as soon as this month could introduce a new iPod touch model with an integrated 3G radio for connectivity on the go, according to a new rumor.

Citing an anonymous source, AppleNApps reported on Wednesday that Apple's new iPod touch will be like a "mini-iPad" carrying the same integrated access to high-speed 3G data networks as Apple's touchscreen tablet. The report said that Apple and its carrier partners have allegedly worked out non-contract plans similar to ones available for the iPad.

A reason for this alleged push is iCloud, Apple's seamless syncing and sharing service set to arrive this fall. By adding a 3G radio to the iPod touch, users could stay connected on the go, just like those with an iPhone or 3G iPad.

The new iPod touch will reportedly look "very similar" to the current fourth-generation model, released last September. The device will not feature voice capabilities, remaining data-only, the report said.

The source reportedly cautioned that there is "no guarantee" that Apple's new iPod touch will have 3G connectivity built in, but said that the changes "should make it."

Rumors of a 3G-capable iPod touch are not new, but so far Apple has only included Wi-Fi connectivity, along with Bluetooth, in its iOS-powered device. iPad models with a 3G radio carry a $130 premium over their Wi-Fi-only counterparts in the U.S.



There was evidence earlier this year that Apple could add integrated 3G to its MacBook Air lineup. In addition, a pre-production prototype of a 2007 MacBook Pro with a 3G radio surfaced last month, revealing Apple's internal work on bringing 3G to devices beyond the iPhone and iPad.

Apple is expected to hold an event in the coming weeks to introduce its next-generation iPhone, along with an updated iPod touch. A handful of leaked parts have suggested that Apple plans to release a white variant of the iPod touch, much like the company did with the iPhone 4.
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I'm guessing that the recent leaks for a bigger and thinner case is most likely for a 4.3" iPod touch 3G. I just found those leaked cases too wide to be able to hold it in hands properly when you put it next to your ear.

As for people who said iPods don't have mute switch that's true, but why wouldn't Apple add it in the 5th gen iPod ? iPad has a mute/rotation switch.
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I think this makes mucho sense on many levels and would even consider this option over an iPhone if it had the same quality display as the iPhone.
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Will this add a gps function too?
This would make the best Skype phone ever!
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I believe that Apple would like to ultimately undermine the phone industry. This would be the device to drive the wedge to do so. Besides, there must be some greater plan for the new Clouds they are building, beyond sync data, sell apps and run the voice command functions. These functions seem to overlap the very function of a phone company. Steve works slowly, but insidiously, in his plans. The only thing missing is the cell towers. And that might be only a matter of money.

Just a thought.
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So instead of 3 model (16, 32, 64 GB.) we will have 12 (black one, white one, 3G black, 3G white)? Insane.
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I believe that Apple would like to ultimately undermine the phone industry. This would be the device to drive the wedge to do so.

No, it's the EXACT OPPOSITE of undermining the telecoms to include telephony hardware in your product

If Apple wanted to "undermine" them, they'd back a nationwide 802.22 network and rely on VoIP instead of adding a 3G chip to a product that doesn't need it.

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Will this add a gps function too?
This would make the best Skype phone ever!

The only problem with it will be a battery life while 3g is on. No way it's going to last for more than a few hours, thus you would not be able to use it as a skype/facetime "phone" available to receive calls round-the-clock.
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I believe that Apple would like to ultimately undermine the phone industry. This would be the device to drive the wedge to do so. Besides, there must be some greater plan for the new Clouds they are building, beyond sync data, sell apps and run the voice command functions. These functions seem to overlap the very function of a phone company. Steve works slowly, but insidiously, in his plans. The only thing missing is the cell towers. And that might be only a matter of money.

Actually, there are lots of cell towers. The biggest problem is that they are mostly in Southeast Asia and Western Europe.

Apple isn't paying for cell towers. Apple considers mobile operators to be dumb pipes, a utility like the garbage company.
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So instead of 3 model (16, 32, 64 GB.) we will have 12 (black one, white one, 3G black, 3G white)? Insane.

Offering cellular tech might be away to hide the fact that you can't feasibly double the NAND capacity again this year.


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No, it's the EXACT OPPOSITE of undermining the telecoms to include telephony hardware in your product

If Apple wanted to "undermine" them, they'd back a nationwide 802.22 network and rely on VoIP instead of adding a 3G chip to a product that doesn't need it.

I think he has a point. The cellular companies want more than to simply sell you data, they want to force on you voice and SMS plans. At least in the US, I don't think there is a phone plan that will give you data without forcing you to take talk time. I know AT&T makes me take 450 minutes per month, of which I'm lucky to use 50 for peak times.

With a data-only device and they foray into messaging with iMessages all they can sell the customer is data packages. Unfortunately for us they are likely to charge what they charge a USB '3G' card for data so the rates per GB will likely be higher than what comes with a smartphone. Hopefully we'll see some competition on that front to bring down the costs, but I doubt it.
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post #11 of 90
This will increase the number of stores selling iPTs (Verizon, AT&T, Sprint, Vodafone, etc.), and add a pricier iPT option. Clever of Apple, if true.
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5" or 7" iPod touch coming soon... Apple has always said that the iPad wouldn't drop below its current size because of software constraints... But a true "just a bigger" iPod touch would work and it would undermine all the other 7" tablets being released, especially if they kept the price low.

iPod touch, starting at $149.
iPod touch XL, starting at $299
iPad, starting at $499

iPhone 4s, free with contract, $299 unlocked.
iPhone 5, $199 with contract, $599 unlocked

Game over.
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Will this add a gps function too?
This would make the best Skype phone ever!

Why does a Skype phone need GPS? Or are you making separate points?
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iPod touch XL, starting at $299

You know, 5.5" iPT5 3G with better camera at that price would destroy Amazon tablet right then and there.
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Second iPhone. I called it.
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a device like this would save me tons of money. all my kids do with their iPhones is text and download apps.....

would be cool if true......
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Will this add a gps function too?
This would make the best Skype phone ever!

The current 16 and 32 GB iPod touches cost $299 and $399. The 16 and 32 GB iPhone 4s cost $649 and $749.
So, how much would a 3G iPod touch cost? The same $129 premium as on the the iPad? That would leave a $320 premium for the slightly better display (wider viewing angle), camera, metal chassis, microphone and actual GSM/3G voice capability of the iPhone 4.
Something has to give here unless actual non-VoIP phone capacity can really command such a huge premium. What likely will happen is that Apple will slightly up the 3G premium (maybe to $150), will slightly reduce the iPhone 4 price, maybe to $600.

But the fact will be that most people will hate to carry an extra device for GSM-coverage voice (you cannot do Skype over pure GSM or even pure GRSP, though Edge will do if the signal is strong enough). Of course, in the US where most carriers refuse to sell data-only or data+low minute plans for smartphones, a 3G iPod touch might get an additional boost.
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With a data-only device and they foray into messaging with iMessages all they can sell the customer is data packages. Unfortunately for us they are likely to charge what they charge a USB '3G' card for data so the rates per GB will likely be higher than what comes with a smartphone. Hopefully we'll see some competition on that front to bring down the costs, but I doubt it.

That is the issue. Will you be able to get data plans like the $15 a month AT&T iPad but on multiple carriers and international SIMS as well when traveling?

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iPod 3G-capable... sounds like a regular iPhone to me. Maybe this is actually going to be the new iPhone?!
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I think this makes mucho sense on many levels and would even consider this option over an iPhone if it had the same quality display as the iPhone.

Thats why i think it wont happen. Why would att sell data only for the device if thessy can sell voice and text for like 30 bucks extra ( if we assume ipad's 250 meg plan). I dunno with imessage this move could make the iphone absolete and overpriced (in an unlocked state). It took apple four generations to add a mic to the touch.

The only way this would be feasable is if the touch gets rediculousely low data plan, like 100 meg tops. We'll have to see but i am betting one dollar against 3g touch.
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Why does a Skype phone need GPS? Or are you making separate points?

Related points, being limited to WiFi means GPS is of much more limited use (since you likely are in place you know well when using WiFi: your home, your office, your hotel, an Airport), you cannot walk around in a city (or outside a city) and use GPS if you are Wifi only, GPS without the additional data is much less fun. Thus coupling 3G with GPS, as it is done on the iPad, makes a lot of sense.
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Why do we need a 3G iPod touch? Isn't that what an iPhone is? How about they make a Wi-Fi only iPhone instead and drop the iPod touch completely?
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Thats why i think it wont happen. Why would att sell data only for the device if thessy can sell voice and text for like 30 bucks extra

Competition. Why do we have data-only plans in a lot of countries, including low-data plans? Because of competition. Having two incompatible network technologies, once you buy a device, carriers do not have to compete that much anymore. LTE will hopefully start to change that, as will CDMA/GSM dual-mode phones and devices.
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One thing that bugs me about the 3G iPad is that AT&T and/or Apple doesn't allow you to txt to the phone number. I think there might be apps that work around this but I don't know of any. I also have an unlimited AT&T 3G card for a laptop and the built in software lets you txt just fine. I don't know why they don't allow it on iPad and if the Touch get 3G data, are they going to do the same thing?

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Competition. Why do we have data-only plans in a lot of countries, including low-data plans? Because of competition. Having two incompatible network technologies, once you buy a device, carriers do not have to compete that much anymore. LTE will hopefully start to change that, as will CDMA/GSM dual-mode phones and devices.

So.. How would a 3g touch help with competition? We only have two carriers in america, and they use different tech for 3g. This device wont be lte. And thse companies can charge you way more for a "phone plan" than strictly data plan. This wont change competitive landscspe and i will poop my pants if they find a carrier for this (maybe sprint is desparate enough).
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I think there might be apps that work around this but I don't know of any.

I use Viber.
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I believe that Apple would like to ultimately undermine the phone industry. This would be the device to drive the wedge to do so.

This would not undermine anything. It makes no sense to undermine an industry through dependency on that industry. The industry wouldn't allow it, for one. In the same way that the cable and satellite television companies are going to fight tooth and nail to hold on to their established revenue streams, so will the phone industry. As would anyone. For better or worse, the model may change over time and Apple may be instrumental in making this happen but you and I will still be paying over the odds for what we get. That is why neither the cable companies nor cell phone service providers will ever let you have unlimited data. You may be able to forgo your cable provider but you will have to pay for the added bandwidth now that you are streaming / downloading all your entertainment.
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a device like this would save me tons of money. all my kids do with their iPhones is text and download apps.....

would be cool if true......

What Apple should produce is an iPod touch with voice only (no 3G), i.e. a dumb phone. My children have dumb phones because I do not want to pay $180/yr each for the data plan. And, they would easily exceed the 200MB anyway.
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So.. How would a 3g touch help with competition? We only have two carriers in america, and they use different tech for 3g. This device wont be lte. And thse companies can charge you way more for a "phone plan" than strictly data plan. This wont change competitive landscspe and i will poop my pants if they find a carrier for this (maybe sprint is desparate enough).

The US is probably only about 20% of the total worldwide market for iPhones. In 80% of the market a 3G iPod touch will have a real effect.
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What Apple should produce is an iPod touch with voice only (no 3G), i.e. a dumb phone. My children have dumb phones because I do not want to pay $180/yr each for the data plan. And, they would easily exceed the 200MB anyway.

Now this I can see happening. In fact that might easily fight back the cheap androids, since they seem to have lower app and internet usage.
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The US is probably only about 20% of the total worldwide market for iPhones. In 80% of the market a 3G iPod touch will have a real effect.

I dunno about 20%, I would say at least half, with the other being Europe and China.



Apple is still heavily US centric company, so if 3G touch does not work out in US they probably won't release it at all.
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What Apple should produce is an iPod touch with voice only (no 3G), i.e. a dumb phone. My children have dumb phones because I do not want to pay $180/yr each for the data plan. And, they would easily exceed the 200MB anyway.

That device would appeal mainly to the US market only (where carriers somehow, possibly illegally, prevent the use of non-data-plan SIMs in smartphones). My mother has a pre-paid voice-only SIM in her iPhone, works without any issues. I don't understand why carriers are allowed to block this in the US.
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One thing that bugs me about the 3G iPad is that AT&T and/or Apple doesn't allow you to txt to the phone number. I think there might be apps that work around this but I don't know of any. I also have an unlimited AT&T 3G card for a laptop and the built in software lets you txt just fine. I don't know why they don't allow it on iPad and if the Touch get 3G data, are they going to do the same thing?

Isn't iOS5 supposed to let you send text-messages to any other iOS device for free? With a 3G-only device, that would essentially open the floodgates with untold amount of texting teenagers and tweenagers.

For those that really don't need a phone plan, this is a great addition.

I like having 3G on my iPad. I don't use it often, but when I do, it's great. Add to that a plan that only is in place when I need it and cancels afterwards. I like that. Hopefully AT&T will keep that kind of plan in place for the other devices should they be more fact than rumor.
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Thats why i think it wont happen. Why would att sell data only for the device if thessy can sell voice and text for like 30 bucks extra ( if we assume ipad's 250 meg plan). I dunno with imessage this move could make the iphone absolete and overpriced (in an unlocked state). It took apple four generations to add a mic to the touch.

The only way this would be feasable is if the touch gets rediculousely low data plan, like 100 meg tops. We'll have to see but i am betting one dollar against 3g touch.

There may be a big market for this kind of device, and a good reason why the ATT's of this world will happily create 'competitive' data plans - kids. Kids being kids from 7-8 and up. Kids play games that require data. Kids also text like crazy but rarely use the phone. If they do need to call they have the ability through Skype or similar. The pricing structure will ensure that such a device will not eat into cell phone usage caused by people switching. In other words data will probably be quite expensive but as texting uses minimal data it may be worth it for the consumer.
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If the new touch had everything the iPhone 4 has, especially the GPS chip then I'd probably get one and get a pay as you go telephone.

And if they left the same microphone/earpiece to make using VOIP eaiser - well then - all the better.

(I use the GPS chip for navigation apps and for Nike+.)
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I believe that Apple would like to ultimately undermine the phone industry. This would be the device to drive the wedge to do so. Besides, there must be some greater plan for the new Clouds they are building, beyond sync data, sell apps and run the voice command functions. These functions seem to overlap the very function of a phone company. Steve works slowly, but insidiously, in his plans. The only thing missing is the cell towers. And that might be only a matter of money.

Just a thought.

As I understand it, the TelCos cannot refuse to provide service to MVNOs. If they wanted to go this route, Apple could become an MVNO and resell the TelCos' services.
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Apple undermining the phone companies with iMessage didn't work out so well. The monopolistic AT&T responds with one-plan-for-everyone texting.

Just venting. It's frustrating to see the carriers back to abusing their power instead of innovating. It took Apple to implement an obvious feature like Visual Voice Mail. It took Grand Central / Google Voice to advance home phone services.

And what does AT&T come up with? Forcing people to use expensive plans they don't need.

If AT&T feels they can do that with texting what's to stop them from only offering a 2000 minute voice minute plan? Buy the plan or pay 20 cents per minute for voice calls.
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Kids also text like crazy but rarely use the phone. If they do need to call they have the ability through Skype or similar.

That is exactly why our friends Big Red and Ma Bell won't let this device happen. If you can charge through the roof for texts and calls that cost you nothing, why carry a device that allows you to do both for $15 per month?

Don't get me wrong, I want it. I wanted this to happen since iPod Touch 1, but now I gave up and own an iPhone. Specifically because I don't believe 3G touch will happen any time soon.
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I dunno about 20%, I would say at least half, with the other being Europe and China.



Apple is still heavily US centric company, so if 3G touch does not work out in US they probably won't release it at all.

I think you are wrong, look at these numbers:
http://www.asymco.com/2011/07/27/the...on-small-bang/
I see about 14.4m outside the US and 5.9m inside the US, or about 29% inside the US. So, my guess was too low but we are far away from a 50/50 split.
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As I understand it, the TelCos cannot refuse to provide service to MVNOs. If they wanted to go this route, Apple could become an MVNO and resell the TelCos' services.

But they can restrict the use of voice-only SIMs in smartphones? And the use of iPad, data-only SIMs in smartphones? If the law requires them to server MVNO why can't it require them to sell device independent SIMs?
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