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Rapid growth at Apple has the company already planning for a third corporate campus after it finishes work on its second, circular "spaceship" facility in Cupertino, Calif., by 2015.

Cupertino Mayor Gilbert Wong said an interview with the Mercury News that Apple executives told him the company is expanding so fast, they expect to begin working on a third campus after work is completed on their second in 2015. The new campus would reportedly be at a currently unknown location.

The details come as Apple is going through the approval process for its second campus with the City of Cupertino. Wong has said that he's certain the project will be approved.

As part of that process, the city will host a public meeting tonight, at 6:30 a.m. Pacific, to receive input on the scope of the Environmental Impact Report for what has been called "Apple Campus 2 Project." Due to limited seating, the city will provide a live webcast of the meeting.

Apple's second campus is planned for a 150-acre property the company already owns in Cupertino. The land was partially acquired from rival device maker Hewlett-Packard, who vacated its 98-acre campus in the summer of 2010.



The plans were first revealed by Apple Chief Executive Steve Jobs himself in June, when he made an appearance at a Cupertino City Council meeting to pitch the project. He described the main office building as looking "a little like a spaceship landed."

Since Jobs personally introduced the project at a Cupertino City Council meeting, Apple's plans for the mega-campus have already expanded. Jobs initially said the facility would host 12,000 employees, but Apple's own planning documents show it is now expected to have 13,000.



The Mercury News also revealed that the new campus may come with a statue of Jobs himself, as suggested by some city officials, to honor his contributions to the city of Cupertino.

Apple hopes to gain approval for its second campus by the end of 2012 to begin construction in 2013. A total of 13 different approvals must be granted.



The new office would comprise about 2.8 million square feet, and would include an auditorium that would hold 1,000 people, and new research facilities including 300,000 square feet. Until the new facility opens in 2015, Apple has leased 373,000 square feet of office space in Cupertino to house 13,000 workers.
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I am really considering getting back into the job market so I can work in that spaceship.
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Campus? How about taking some of that money you're sitting on and build manufacturing plants and facilities here in the US?

They're having problems building enough phones and pads and airs anyway. Why not make them here in modern, highly automated facilities? Why is it Apple can make a billion dollar commitment to Sharp to build a plant, but does nothing here?

If Hyundai and Honda and Toyota can build cars here in the US -- and make a profit doing so -- then Apple could build computers here and do the same.

Such plants, being heavily automated, might not create that many jobs. But I'd think that the spillover effects to the surrounding areas and local economies could be enormous. And SOME is much, much better than none.

So there it is. Invest in the US, and maybe the government will even give you your tax "holiday."
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I am really considering getting back into the job market so I can work in that spaceship.

I just wanna be onboard when it goes geosynchronos over Cupertino.
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Campus? How about taking some of that money you're sitting on and build manufacturing plants and facilities here in the US?

They're having problems building enough phones and pads and airs anyway. Why not make them here in modern, highly automated facilities? Why is it Apple can make a billion dollar commitment to Sharp to build a plant, but does nothing here?

If Hyundai and Honda and Toyota can build cars here in the US -- and make a profit doing so -- then Apple could build computers here and do the same.

Such plants, being heavily automated, might not create that many jobs. But I'd think that the spillover effects to the surrounding areas and local economies could be enormous. And SOME is much, much better than none.

So there it is. Invest in the US, and maybe the government will even give you your tax "holiday."

Exactly what sort of spillover be expected from a practically lights out automated factory that you envisage? It's not as though they will start to source parts locally... I'm sure they know the figures far better than you or I do, and frankly a Campus the size of the pentagon (with the people required to plan build and fit) and 13,000 salaried Americans has to be worthwhile.
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April 2nd 2020 - The largest corporation in the world today with a cash hoard of $523 Billion today announced record profits of $500 per share. Apple is now the 4th largest country in the world ahead now of California. Another 9th spaceships building is scheduled to complete in 2023 to house anther 25000 employees, another 5 are planned .

The 9 spaceships can now be seen from space. The Cool Aid zone is now encompassing the entire west coast. Jobs is planning to build 100 more spaceships from LA to Washington by 2030 to fulfill expansion needs. The SF Bay Area Transport agency is ordering another 50M iHover cars and the last remnant of the Bay Area Freeway system is due for demolition in 2025.

The new line of Apple hover cars is predicted to sell in excess of 580M next calendar year. Representing another 38% increase year over year. GM recently filed for bankruptcy after years of mismangement and lack of innovative new cars. Their line of chevy trucks is still selling well in Turkey! Appl meanwhile rumors say is about to relase a new telepathic interface which will revolutionize the touch interface in iOS 12. Microsoft still langishing at $24 is being sued by Apple for copying their iHover designs patents. Steve jobs is rumored to be on life support at Stanford medical Center is causing the share price to remain stagnant at 1650-1700 range with an earnings per share of 0.34 Apple is said to be using their telepathic inteface with Jobs to vet all new products at Apple. Government investigators are finishing up their investigation into share manipulation of APPL by market makers and Bank of America. IRS is considering taxing Apple an extra 1.5% to close deficit gap and finance Medicare and Social Security payments.

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Campus? How about taking some of that money you're sitting on and build manufacturing plants and facilities here in the US?

They're having problems building enough phones and pads and airs anyway. Why not make them here in modern, highly automated facilities? Why is it Apple can make a billion dollar commitment to Sharp to build a plant, but does nothing here?

If Hyundai and Honda and Toyota can build cars here in the US -- and make a profit doing so -- then Apple could build computers here and do the same.

Such plants, being heavily automated, might not create that many jobs. But I'd think that the spillover effects to the surrounding areas and local economies could be enormous. And SOME is much, much better than none.

So there it is. Invest in the US, and maybe the government will even give you your tax "holiday."

Reasons not to manufacture in the US, especially CA:
1. Hi wages especially if unions are involved
2. Hi payroll and other taxes. The government taxes employers for providing jobs!
3. Property taxes, insurance costs, workman's comp
4. Law suits and vulture lawyers
5. Hi corporate, state and local income taxes in excess of 40%.

Apple used to have an automated plant in CA, but they shut it down... made the original Mac. May be if they move to a low cost state like Texas or NC, SC, etc?
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The new campus should definitely have a bar.

If you guys read the link to mercury news, they quote the mayor: "I think it makes sense to call it Apple 2. They have iPad 1 and iPad 2; iPhone 1 and iPhone 2. This building is probably going to have much more innovative technologies and products than what they have at" their first campus."

Made made laugh. The most rational mayor in the US.
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The new campus should definitely have a bar.

Yes, so prototype iPhones can get lost on campus, rather than end up on Gizmodo.

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Until the new facility opens in 2015, Apple has leased 373,000 square feet of office space in Cupertino to house 13,000 workers.

Ouch... what a logistical nightmare!
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Yes, so prototype iPhones can get lost on campus, rather than end up on Gizmodo.


Streamline the process.


PS: Whoopie Goldberg should totally run it.
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I am really considering getting back into the job market so I can work in that spaceship.

Wanna job? just turn up
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Yes, so prototype iPhones can get lost on campus, rather than end up on Gizmodo.


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Streamline the process.


PS: Whoopie Goldberg should totally run it.

It will be called a spacebar or as someone said previously genius bar.

Also I dig the statue idea, though I don't know if Jobs would approve.
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I wonder if "the company is growing so fast" announcement was made now instead of later due to jimmy hoffa jr's accusing the company of being unpatriotic for not providing more jobs? Seems like egg-on-face for hoffa.

ahmico says: "Campus? How about taking some of that money you're sitting on and build manufacturing plants and facilities here in the US?"

So when you party at the "genius bar" at the new spaceship headquarters, you'll be having tea, i suspect.

ahmico says: "Such plants, being heavily automated, might not create that many jobs."

Oh, so you answered your own question? Things are never so simple as they first seem.
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I predict it will look like this:

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I wonder if "the company is growing so fast" announcement was made now instead of later due to jimmy hoffa jr's accusing the company of being unpatriotic for not providing more jobs? Seems like egg-on-face for hoffa.

Naw. Haffa wants union jobs (manufacturing). Not gonna happen. The jobs will be reasonably high-paying, but non-union. However, building the spaceship WILL provide quite a bit of work for lots of local union chapters.
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You are right building overseas. They don't have to be responsible for paying people a livable wage. Or pay the taxes that provide revenues that keeps our society running.


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Reasons not to manufacture in the US, especially CA:
1. Hi wages especially if unions are involved
2. Hi payroll and other taxes. The government taxes employers for providing jobs!
3. Property taxes, insurance costs, workman's comp
4. Law suits and vulture lawyers
5. Hi corporate, state and local income taxes in excess of 40%.

Apple used to have an automated plant in CA, but they shut it down... made the original Mac. May be if they move to a low cost state like Texas or NC, SC, etc?
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It would only be fitting if that one would look like a SpaceShip taking off.
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Why not just double the floor count?

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Reasons not to manufacture in the US, especially CA:
1. Hi wages especially if unions are involved
2. Hi payroll and other taxes. The government taxes employers for providing jobs!
3. Property taxes, insurance costs, workman's comp
4. Law suits and vulture lawyers
5. Hi corporate, state and local income taxes in excess of 40%.

Apple used to have an automated plant in CA, but they shut it down... made the original Mac. May be if they move to a low cost state like Texas or NC, SC, etc?

Nah, the labor is still way cheaper in southeast Asia.

Plus, 95%+ of the components are coming from factories in the region. From a supply chain management perspective, it makes more sense to keep final assembly in the region.

Foxconn can get touchscreen panel deliveries via rail or truck. If manufacturing was in Round Rock, TX, it would have to go via sea (slow) or air freight (very expensive).
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Exactly what sort of spillover be expected from a practically lights out automated factory that you envisage? It's not as though they will start to source parts locally...

The automotive plants I mentioned are all highly automated, and still manage to employ hundreds of people each, and they do it here in the US. Those people, in turn, support and help maintain many local businesses buying groceries, clothing, furniture and appliances, by going out to restaurants, and so on. They buy homes and pay local and state and property taxes.

Spillover effects, indeed.

Apple is one of the companies lobbying for a corporate tax "holiday" in which to bring tons of offshore cash back to the US. I say we give it to them, on the condition they build more iStuff here in the US.

Not just designed here. Made here.
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Apple planning third campus after 'spaceship' is finished in 2015

Rapid growth at Apple has the company already planning for a third corporate campus after it finishes work on its second, circular "spaceship" facility in Cupertino, Calif., by 2015.

Cupertino Mayor Gilbert Wong said an interview with the Mercury News that Apple executives told him the company is expanding so fast, they expect to begin working on a third campus after work is completed on their second in 2015. The new campus would reportedly be at a currently unknown location.


Apple should plan right now for the right size of corporate headquarters. The new, spaceship corporate campus should have two more floors, for a total of six floors, and be of a wider diameter to increase the size of the circle, bringing it slightly closer to Cupertino City streets.

There are a number of advantages to right-sizing the building when the plans are drawn by the architects and approved by the City of Cupertino. The right-sizing of the building, instead of planning for a future on-site expansion by adding new floors or new buildings, or a future expansion on a third, unknown location, allows architects to plan for a bigger indoor parking lot, including space for 10 speed bikes with showers and a locker room, two or more cafeterias, complete indoor sport facilities including an olympic size swimming pool, a Nautilus weight room, gymnasiums with showers and locker rooms, an adequate number of elevators, escalators and stairs, service entrances, and a new, cross-shaped, system of indoor hallways linking the different floors of the underground parking lot to the ground floor of the building, providing also a convenient way to walk from one side of the building to the opposite side.

Planning an inadequate, second corporate campus, with a view of expanding on a third, unknown location, seems to me to be very bad planning. I could possibly understand better if Apple was a new, small and just established company, or a cash strapped company, barely making it to the next pay day. But, as we all know, such is not the case.


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"Such plants, being heavily automated, might not create that many jobs." Oh, so you answered your own question? Things are never so simple as they first seem.

To repeat a previous reply, the automotive plants I mentioned are all highly automated, and still manage to employ hundreds of people each, and they do it here in the US.

Those people, in turn, support and help maintain many local businesses buying groceries, clothing, furniture and appliances, by going out to restaurants, and so on. They buy homes. They pay local and state and property taxes, which, in addition to the factory itself, could have a major impact on the local tax base.

So while they may not employ tens of thousands of people directly, they could well end up supporting that many.

Things are never so simple as they first seem, are they?
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It will be called a spacebar or as someone said previously genius bar.

Also I dig the statue idea, though I don't know if Jobs would approve.

I like SpaceBar, but I also suggest Bowen's as an alternative.
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Exactly what sort of spillover be expected from a practically lights out automated factory that you envisage? It's not as though they will start to source parts locally... I'm sure they know the figures far better than you or I do, and frankly a Campus the size of the pentagon (with the people required to plan build and fit) and 13,000 salaried Americans has to be worthwhile.

I find it bizarre that more and more people are required to work for a company that manufactures computing products that should logically enable fewer people to do more with less... I guess I expect too much of computers.

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The automotive plants I mentioned are all highly automated, and still manage to employ hundreds of people each, and they do it here in the US. Those people, in turn, support and help maintain many local businesses buying groceries, clothing, furniture and appliances, by going out to restaurants, and so on. They buy homes and pay local and state and property taxes.

Spillover effects, indeed.

Apple is one of the companies lobbying for a corporate tax "holiday" in which to bring tons of offshore cash back to the US. I say we give it to them, on the condition they build more iStuff here in the US.

Not just designed here. Made here.

You mean the automotive plants that required a massive government bailout just to keep from going under? Sorry, in the REAL business world there is no such thing as too big to fail.
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Hi payroll and other taxes. The government taxes employers for providing jobs!

You realize that the two sentences above, coupled with your inability to properly spell and use a simple four letter word, speaks volumes about your probable education level and worldview?

Turn off Fox and try reading an actual book.
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Planning an inadequate, second corporate campus, with a view of expanding on a third, unknown location, seems to me to be very bad planning. I could possibly understand better if Apple was a new, small and just established company, or a cash strapped company, barely making it to the next pay day. But, as we all know, such is not the case.



They want the perfect building. They don't want to put everything there. It's not hard to understand if you look at it from the aesthetic perspective.
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I disagree I don't think we need to fight to bring manufacturing back here.

We need to fund education to nurture the next Steve Jobs and the next Bill Gates. We need to be investing in the next Apple the next Facebook, the next Twitter.

That is where the future is not in fighting for manufacturing jobs.

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Apple is one of the companies lobbying for a corporate tax "holiday" in which to bring tons of offshore cash back to the US. I say we give it to them, on the condition they build more iStuff here in the US.

Not just designed here. Made here.
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You mean the automotive plants that required a massive government bailout just to keep from going under? Sorry, in the REAL business world there is no such thing as too big to fail.

Nope. Read the original post:

"If Hyundai and Honda and Toyota can build cars here in the US -- and make a profit doing so -- then Apple could build computers here and do the same."

Now, did we give Hyundai and Honda and Toyota a massive government bailout?

Let's see... that would be... No.

In the future, it might help if you learned to read for comprehension so you can make a sound and well-reasoned argument... and not look like an idiot.

I mean, that sort of thing is often rewarded out here in the REAL business world....
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Nope. Read the original post:

"If Hyundai and Honda and Toyota can build cars here in the US -- and make a profit doing so -- then Apple could build computers here and do the same."

Now, did we give Hyundai and Honda and Toyota a massive government bailout?

Let's see... that would be... No.

In the future, it might help if you learned to read for comprehension so you can make a sound and well-reasoned argument... and not look like an idiot.

I mean, that sort of thing is often rewarded out here in the REAL business world....

1) Not getting a "massive government bailout" doesn't mean they don't get government concessions for building in the US.

2) Not every part is created in the US. From what I've read the electronics — what Apple sells — are built overseas, shipped to the US, and then assembled in the final product that made of large and heavy pieces that are costly to ship overseas.

3) You're argument fails by thinking there is some altruistic reason for assembling something in the US. It's done when it's deemed more profitable. It's all about the bottom line!
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I disagree I don't think we need to fight to bring manufacturing back here. We need to fund education to nurture the next Steve Jobs and the next Bill Gates. We need to be investing in the next Apple the next Facebook, the next Twitter.

That is where the future is not in fighting for manufacturing jobs.

It's not just "manufacturing" jobs. It's engineering and technical jobs, which translates into engineering and technical expertise. And if we let that go overseas, we're in deep trouble.

Because then it's extremely likely that the next Jobs and Gates will be named Mu Li and Siddharth Rajam...
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Why not just double the floor count?

And risk starting another argument here about how Apple is 'completely ruining the city', and 'not building to human scale' and all that nonsense?

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Because then it's extremely likely that the next Jobs and Gates will be named Mu Li and Siddharth Rajam...

Someone is letting their bigotry show.


PS: Jobs' biological father is a Syrian Muslim. Oh no¡¡
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Reasons not to manufacture in the US, especially CA:
1. Hi wages especially if unions are involved
2. Hi payroll and other taxes. The government taxes employers for providing jobs!
3. Property taxes, insurance costs, workman's comp
4. Law suits and vulture lawyers
5. Hi corporate, state and local income taxes in excess of 40%.

How is this different for manufacturing than for the 12,000 current Apple employees? To the best of my knowledge Apple employees do not work pro bono, and they pay taxes as does Apple. Also, software engineers make more than manufacturing workers, even unionized ones.

Your logic on this is fundamentally flawed.
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I don't agree with that. Steve Jobs and Bill Gates are not engineers. They are visionary entrepreneurs. So far America has provided the best environment for nurturing these types of talents. Those are the people who create the ideas that create the products that create the jobs.

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It's not just "manufacturing" jobs. It's engineering and technical jobs, which translates into engineering and technical expertise. And if we let that go overseas, we're in deep trouble.

Because then it's extremely likely that the next Jobs and Gates will be named Mu Li and Siddharth Rajam...
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1) Not getting a "massive government bailout" doesn't mean they don't get government concessions for building in the US.

Yes, they got concessions in Alabama and Texas and Kentucky. They've also, as I said, created thousands of jobs, which in turn have been a major boon to the local economies. Ask the governors involved why they fought so hard to get them to build in their states, and if they'd do it again.

Oh, and that was a very nice attempt to switch attention from your "massive government bailout" mistake. Didn't work, of course. But nice try.

And, "You're argument fails..."? That would be, "Your argument fails...", since you're is a contraction of you are. Your is the possessive case. English 101.

Where was I? Ah, yes, failing arguments.

Which isn't. Failing, that is. There are many offsets to consider: The aforementioned tax holiday. Tax breaks. R&D credits. Faster turnaround times. Fast and cheaper shipping of finished goods to stores and customers. Faster BTO times. Faster turnaround for design changes.

And try looking up the differences in import duties bringing in finished goods vs assemblies and parts.

Then there's the political goodwill such a move might create. The economic benefit a "Made in the USA" sticker might create. The goodwill a disassociation with Foxconn might engender.

And on, and on. There are many things to consider, and they ALL impact the bottom line.
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Plus, 95%+ of the components are coming from factories in the region. From a supply chain management perspective, it makes more sense to keep final assembly in the region. Foxconn can get touchscreen panel deliveries via rail or truck. If manufacturing was in Round Rock, TX, it would have to go via sea (slow) or air freight (very expensive).

Foxconn has large factories in China and Mexico, and very likely will open a plant in Brazil.

Last time I checked, neither Mexico nor Brazil were reachable by rail from Asian suppliers.

If it can be done there, it can be done here.
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It's not just "manufacturing" jobs. It's engineering and technical jobs, which translates into engineering and technical expertise. And if we let that go overseas, we're in deep trouble.

Because then it's extremely likely that the next Jobs and Gates will be named Mu Li and Siddharth Rajam...

With all the experience I have in Engineering and Computer Science there is one end result--those jobs will not translate to overseas leaving Apple dependent upon Asia for it's Engineering and Design talent.

It will never happen and a lot of that has to do with the quality of engineering isn't there in Asia. It's just not there.
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Someone is letting their bigotry show. PS: Jobs' biological father is a Syrian Muslim. Oh no¡¡

It's not bigotry. It's a simple acknowledgment of what's likely to happen when you continue to export your expertise offshore.
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