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The U.S. Senate has approved the most substantial changes to the nation's patent system in over 50 years in the form of the America Invents Act, a measure supported by tech titans such as Microsoft, Google and Apple.

The bill received an 89-9 vote on Thursday and will head to the White House to receive President Barack Obama's signature, Bloomberg reports. The legislation would allow the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office to set its own fees and give it greater influence over its budget.

The creativity that drives our economic engine has made America the global leader in invention and innovation, Senator Patrick Leahy (D-Ver.), who sponsored the measure, said in a statement. The America Invents Act will ensure that inventors large and small maintain the competitive edge that has put America at the pinnacle of global innovation.

The measure is the result of over six years of negotiations and lobbying as legislators have scrutinized the patent system. Microsoft, IBM, and the Coalition for Patent Fairness, which includes tech giants such as Apple, Google and Intel, were in support of the act.

The America Invents Act, coupled with recent court decisions that provide more clarity and confidence for inventors, puts our patent system in a much better position to spur innovation and economic growth in the 21st century, said IBM General Counsel Robert Weber.

Even as the Obama administration faces pressure to create jobs, the bill has been touted as "one of the most significant jobs creation bills enacted by Congress this year," according to Representative Lamar Smith, who sponsored the House version of the bill.

Obama referred to the legislation during a speech to a joint session of Congress on Thursday. You passed reform that will speed up the outdated patent process, so that entrepreneurs can turn a new idea into a new business as quickly as possible, he said. Thats the kind of action we need.

However, a group of technology companies had also come out in opposition to the bill. The group, which includes InterDigital, a company known for its wireless-related patents, had said the measure didn't go far enough in guarantee more funding for the patent office. The National Small Business Association has also asserted that the bill will "irreversibly damage" small-business owners and entrepreneurs.

According to the report, the new bill will grant patents to the first inventor to file an application, eliminating a time-intensive process used to determine who came up with an idea first.

Mountain View, Calif.-based Google has been increasingly vocal in its calls for patent reform. In July, General Counsel Kent Walker called patents "government-granted monopolies" that block innovation. Chairman and former CEO Eric Schmidt said last week that the U.S. patent situation is "terrible" and bad for innovation.

Apple has been more low key in its efforts to effect change in the patent system, though it has spent money lobbying for the cause. Recent filings by Apple reveal that it has dedicated a portion of its lobbying funds to urging the government to enact patent reforms. The company spent $560,000 on lobbying in the first quarter of this year and increased the amount to $790,000 in the second quarter, more than double what it spent in the same period last year, according to the Associated Press.

The iPhone maker is currently locked in several high-profile patent disputes with its competitors, including Samsung, HTC and Motorola.
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"America, the global leader in invention and innovation"

Dream on!
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I'm not very happy about this bill, since it changes 2 centuries of precedent in switching the US from a first-to-invent to a first-to-file system of awarding patents. It hurts small inventors, who have often been the most innovative. The inventor of the MRI told the WSJ earlier this week that it's possible it wouldn't have been invented under the new system. The problem is that small inventors often need to find funding in order to pay the filing costs, which can be substantial. Now they will be reluctant to shop their invention around out of fear that someone else will steal their idea and file first.
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I suggested this fix last month.
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The National Small Business Association has also asserted that the bill will "irreversibly damage" small-business owners and entrepreneurs.

According to the report, the new bill will grant patents to the first inventor to file an application, eliminating a time-intensive process used to determine who came up with an idea first.

I don't pretend to understand all the various implications of the new "Race to the Office" priority scheme. But if huge mega-corporations like Apple and Microsoft are in favor, and the SBA is opposed, I can't immediately conclude that it is a good idea.
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OBAMA = One Big Ass Mistake America
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OBAMA = One Big Ass Mistake America

Here we go. It's not exactly as if they had other choices. However, I now believe that Ron Paul should (if all is right in the universe) win this time around. Going from a very young pres to a very old one. I always ignored that guy but his recent speech really got me, and as an Irish non-American person I realised that Ron Paul is truly America at its best and representative of the America I remember loving as a naive world-loving kid.

The Obama presidency was probably more important than we all realise though. It was America saying to itself loudly and proudly: "down with racism". And it marked a milestone in American history. Even if his actual presidency didn't live up to the hype and he didn't keep the promises he said he would.
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I suggested this fix last month.

Spot on! Use it or lose it would be a good start...
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Here we go. It's not exactly as if they had other choices. However, I now believe that Ron Paul should (if all is right in the universe) win this time around. Going from a very young pres to a very old one. I always ignored that guy but his recent speech really got me, and as an Irish non-American person I realised that Ron Paul is truly America at its best and representative of the America I remember loving as a naive world-loving kid. ...

As an American person, I have to say that you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. Ron Paul represents everything that is wrong with America and is dragging it down into the gutter: selfishness, immaturity of thought, emotionally appealing (to some) ideas that are stupid. Libertarianism is a self contradictory "philosophy" that's simply a rationalization for letting the rich and powerful run amok and is antithetical to democracy.
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As an American person, I have to say that you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about.

I have my opinion, you have yours. That fact that you can't even acknowledge that leads me to think it's you who have no idea what you are talking about. America's standing in the world is easier to see from the other side. I stated my opinions on Ron Paul. F*** y** for stamping all over them.
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If your first to file a patent, and never actually built the thing. Does the patent file stay valid for a certain amount of time?
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If your first to file a patent, and never actually built the thing. Does the patent file stay valid for a certain amount of time?

Yes. It stays valid for the same amount of time. Building the thing is not relevant.
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Yes. It stays valid for the same amount of time. Building the thing is not relevant.

Thanks. I don't understand the system and was curious if you still have to build the patent you file to keep it valid.
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I have my opinion, you have yours. That fact that you can't even acknowledge that leads me to think it's you who have no idea what you are talking about. America's standing in the world is easier to see from the other side. I stated my opinions on Ron Paul. F*** y** for stamping all over them.

But, the whole idea of libertarianism is that everyone can do whatever they want, yet, you get angry when they do.
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... The legislation would allow the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office to set its own fees and give it greater influence over its budget. ..

This is by no stretch of the imagination ... "patent reform."

"Patent Reform" is generally considered shorthand for Patent Law Reform.
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... Ron Paul should (if all is right in the universe) win this time around. Going from a very young pres to a very old one. I always ignored that guy but his recent speech really got me, and as an Irish non-American person I realised that Ron Paul is truly America at its best and representative of the America I remember loving as a naive world-loving kid. ...

Naive indeed.

Ron Paul is a card carrying wing-nut. His ideas, implemented, would drive the US economy back to the stone age and set Democracy back hundreds of years.
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Thanks. I don't understand the system and was curious if you still have to build the patent you file to keep it valid.

The hard work is the research to come up with the idea and flesh it out into a process. Not to take it to market. If I develop a system that does absolutely perfect speech recognition and synthesis, but don't have the funds to market it, that doesn't mean any company should be free to take my idea without compensating me.
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I'd like to see real patent reform where a patent is not granted until judged by experts in the field and still has a chance to be invalidated, again, judged by experts. Patent officers should be responsible for assembling the panel of experts fairly, not judging the patent itself.
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Or just impeach that lone Federal Judge in East Texas who has single-handedly skewed the US patent system.
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As an American person, I have to say that you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. Ron Paul represents everything that is wrong with America and is dragging it down into the gutter: selfishness, immaturity of thought, emotionally appealing (to some) ideas that are stupid. Libertarianism is a self contradictory "philosophy" that's simply a rationalization for letting the rich and powerful run amok and is antithetical to democracy.

Ron Paul is synonymous with The Constitution of The United States of America.
You either have no idea who Ron Paul is - or no idea what your Constitution is - or possibly both.
Ron Paul talks about going back to an actual real currency that is sustainable.
He talks about ending the corrupt Federal Reserve that is nothing more then a group of financial terrorists who usurped your government and counties monetary policy.
He talks about ending the wars and a foreign policy of policing the world.
He believes in smaller government and the power of the State being restored.

Gee, imagine the horror if those things happened.

There is a term for people who fear liberty and freedom that was once the American Dream - it's called being institutionalized. MSM has done a wonderful job of brainwashing people through fear and security - that they need big brother government.

A great man from your country once said "he who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither."
The reality of the situation in America is thus - Ron Paul 2012 or bust.
America can not afford another puppet government. Nor can the rest of the world.
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I'd like to see real patent reform where a patent is not granted until judged by experts in the field and still has a chance to be invalidated, again, judged by experts. Patent officers should be responsible for assembling the panel of experts fairly, not judging the patent itself.

What makes you think experts aren't evaluating patents now? They have to know enough about patented "prior art" to judge whether the application duplicates existing patents.

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... There is a term for people who fear liberty and freedom that was once the American Dream - it's called being institutionalized. MSM has done a wonderful job of brainwashing people through fear and security - that they need big brother government. ...

Someone's been brainwashed, but it's not I.
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Poor headline. The Senate approved the patent reform bill, not the "U.S. government." Having now passed both houses of Congress, it has become an Act (Act of Congress). Presidential approval then makes it a Law.

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I'd like to see real patent reform where a patent is not granted until judged by experts in the field and still has a chance to be invalidated, again, judged by experts. Patent officers should be responsible for assembling the panel of experts fairly, not judging the patent itself.

Google's Eric Schmidt proposed a similar idea of crowdsourcing patent approvals. Put up the patent and let anybody comment on whether it has prior art, to help the patent office with its approval process. But as he pointed out, this would actually be illegal (to reveal the patent application during the process).
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Ron Paul is synonymous with The Constitution of The United States of America.
You either have no idea who Ron Paul is - or no idea what your Constitution is - or possibly both.
Ron Paul talks about going back to an actual real currency that is sustainable.
He talks about ending the corrupt Federal Reserve that is nothing more then a group of financial terrorists who usurped your government and counties monetary policy.
He talks about ending the wars and a foreign policy of policing the world.
He believes in smaller government and the power of the State being restored.

Gee, imagine the horror if those things happened.

There is a term for people who fear liberty and freedom that was once the American Dream - it's called being institutionalized. MSM has done a wonderful job of brainwashing people through fear and security - that they need big brother government.

A great man from your country once said "he who sacrifices liberty for security deserves neither."
The reality of the situation in America is thus - Ron Paul 2012 or bust.
America can not afford another puppet government. Nor can the rest of the world.

Wow. Foreign tea partiers....who'd have thunk it?

Guys like Ron Paul are a lot like communists. Their ideas are great in theory. They're utterly horrible in practice. You can talk about the "mainstream media" all you want. There's a reason that average Americans aren't falling for the rhetoric. And it's not "brainwashing". It's common sense.

The guy wants to return to a gold standard for pete's sake and undo monetary policy wholesale, for crying out loud. If you think the recession is bad now, just wait till you see what a dollar pegged to a gold standard would do for American exports.
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OBAMA = One Big Ass Mistake America

"who ever might have won in 2008" = One Big Ass Mistake America

Why don't you run!
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Ron Paul is synonymous with The Constitution of The United States of America...

Take it to Political Outsider. We don't need to be reminded of the Bad Old Days of pre-PO. This isn't just for you either, it's all of you who want to go off into general political spelunking.
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But, the whole idea of libertarianism is that everyone can do whatever they want, yet, you get angry when they do.

if "everyone can do whatever they want then" 'getting angry' is just as good as anything else.
99.9% of americans don't know what the F they are talking about.
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Wow. Foreign tea partiers....who'd have thunk it?

Guys like Ron Paul are a lot like communists. Their ideas are great in theory. They're utterly horrible in practice. You can talk about the "mainstream media" all you want. There's a reason that average Americans aren't falling for the rhetoric. And it's not "brainwashing". It's common sense.

The guy wants to return to a gold standard for pete's sake and undo monetary policy wholesale, for crying out loud. If you think the recession is bad now, just wait till you see what a dollar pegged to a gold standard would do for American exports.

'common sense' and 'americans' rarely ever get together.
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But, the whole idea of libertarianism is that everyone can do whatever they want, yet, you get angry when they do.


Pretty sure Libertarianism is about defending the rights of the individual...not taking a moral stand against telling people to shut the F up on the internet. So maybe hypocrisy isn't the most apt accusation to be making. He expressed an angry sentiment. That's a bit different than betraying a political philosophy... Now, if he votes at the next, shut that one guy the F up on the internet at the pont of a gun top secret government Big Brother meeting...okay, you've got him. Somehow I expect you're more likely to see non-Libertarians looking for government enforcement (gun point) of their whims.

- American, Connecticut, Libertarian sympathizer
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'common sense' and 'americans' rarely ever get together.


What would you like the standard to be?

...."blank out"....
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Even with 30+ million unemployed, 44 million living on food stamps, country completely bankrupt, banks stealing trillions of the public's money and shipping it overseas - turning Americans into serfs... screaming head first into a massive depression... even then... when all hope is lost... they are too cowardly, fat and pathetic to stand up and help themselves by thinking for themselves.

That is the sign of a scared, fearful, controlled and institutionalized America.

Base your currency on production. Easy. Back it with gold, precious metals, national parks, puppies, baseball, education... anything real.
You've done it before. Worked out great. It was the height of the empire. Then your president got shot, and you surrendered.

Phoney ponzi scheme worthless paper based on unsustainable debt - controlled by a private banking cartel...
Yah... Ron Paul's the craaaaazy one.
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The guy wants to return to a gold standard for pete's sake and undo monetary policy wholesale, for crying out loud. If you think the recession is bad now, just wait till you see what a dollar pegged to a gold standard would do for American exports.

American exports?
You mean like toxic assets, carnage and reality TV?

Eventually, Americans are going to have to start working again for their wealth. Especially by 2014 when your dollar will no longer be the reserve currency.

These patent laws will not help the economy.
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Even with 30+ million unemployed, 44 million living on food stamps, country completely bankrupt, banks stealing trillions of the public's money and shipping it overseas - turning Americans into serfs... screaming head first into a massive depression... even then... when all hope is lost... they are too cowardly, fat and pathetic to stand up and help themselves by thinking for themselves.

That is the sign of a scared, fearful, controlled and institutionalized America.

Base your currency on production. Easy. Back it with gold, precious metals, national parks, puppies, baseball, education... anything real.
You've done it before. Worked out great. It was the height of the empire. Then your president got shot, and you surrendered.

Phoney ponzi scheme worthless paper based on unsustainable debt - controlled by a private banking cartel...
Yah... Ron Paul's the craaaaazy one.

Damn....

Great post.
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First to File...

Isn't this the problem now. Trolls filing but never making anything! ?

Thanks for hijacking the thread morons.
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As an American person, I have to say that you don't have the slightest idea what you are talking about. Ron Paul represents everything that is wrong with America and is dragging it down into the gutter: selfishness, immaturity of thought, emotionally appealing (to some) ideas that are stupid. Libertarianism is a self contradictory "philosophy" that's simply a rationalization for letting the rich and powerful run amok and is antithetical to democracy.

Boy, are you ever off. As an uninformed American person, you have no equal.

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But, the whole idea of libertarianism is that everyone can do whatever they want, yet, you get angry when they do.

I thought you weren't a Libertarian.

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Naive indeed.

Ron Paul is a card carrying wing-nut. His ideas, implemented, would drive the US economy back to the stone age and set Democracy back hundreds of years.

Really? You mean as opposed to the Hadean Era Obama has us hurtling toward? You do realize that the massive debts he has managed to run up (along with his irresponsible cohorts in Congress, the Senate, the Fed and the Treasury) won't be paid off in our lifetimes and the dollar may also go the way of the dodo due to looming hyperinflation? Ron Paul has been right about all of the effects of reckless economic policy and the more recent unending and unpaid for wars and mind-bogglingly massive spending.

I haven't heard one good idea come out of Obama or his Keynesian sewing circle in all the time he's been in office.

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I haven't heard one good idea come out of Obama or his Keynesian sewing circle in all the time he's been in office.

Speaks volumes.
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I'd like to see Schmidt explain how giving away American IP to a Taiwanese company, so they can sue an American company goes with this whole helping the American economy thing.

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