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Apple to release iOS 5 GM to assemblers during week of Sept. 23

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Apple reportedly plans to release the golden master of iOS 5, its forthcoming operating system update for the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch, to its overseas assemblers at some point between September 23 and September 30, on time for a mid-October launch of a fifth-generation iPhone.

Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo revealed to AppleInsider on Monday that the new iPhone and iPod touch went into mass production in late August, and assemblers are currently scheduled to receive the golden master of iOS 5 the week of September 30. Typically, a golden master version of software is identical to the code that eventually becomes the final release to the public.

Upon receiving the software, Apple's overseas assemblers will be able to install it on the finalized hardware and prepare it for shipping. The latest version of iOS will come preinstalled on both the fifth-generation models of the iPhone and iPod touch, set to be released in the coming weeks.

A release of iOS 5 to assemblers the week of Sept. 23 means its likely finalized hardware units for the new iPhone and iPod touch will begin to ship at the end of September. With an estimated 10 to 12 days for shipping, the two new devices are likely to be available by mid-October, Kuo said.

That's consistent with numerous rumors that have claimed Apple is gearing up for an October launch for its fifth-generation iPhone. One report from earlier this month similarly indicated that iPhone 5 hardware is being stocked without packaging at overseas assembling plants because Apple is not yet ready to install iOS 5 on the devices.

For its part, Apple has only publicly promised that iOS 5 will become available to iPhone, iPad and iPod touch users this fall. The company does not discuss future products, and has not officially confirmed the existence of the anticipated "iPhone 5" or fifth-gen iPod touch.



Developers are currently working with the seventh beta of iOS 5 released earlier this month. The pre-release software contains bugs and is meant only for developers to test App Store software and ensure compatibility with new features.

Apple has already highlighted a number of new features that will be found in iOS 5, including the all-new Notification Center, iMessage application, and a new PC-free design that allows over-the-air syncing through iCloud and wireless software updates. The company is also believed to be working on additional, still-secret functionality that has yet to be publicly revealed, including advanced voice recognition and commands.

For more on iOS 5, see AppleInsider's extensive coverage of the operating system update in Inside iOS 5.
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So how do assemblers get the OS on the device? Surely not iTunes?
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So how do assemblers get the OS on the device? Surely not iTunes?

Probably via a system image that is deployed to the drive. Same way they do it for laptops and other devices that have an OS.
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Eagerly awaiting the iOS 5 on 3GS experience.

I'll be getting the new phone, but my girl has another year on contract. Just crossing my fingers she doesn't get bricked like early iOS 4 on 3GS...
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Eagerly awaiting the iOS 5 on 3GS experience.

I'll be getting the new phone, but my girl has another year on contract. Just crossing my fingers she doesn't get bricked like early iOS 4 on 3GS...

the beta is working great on my sons 3GS.
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the beta is working great on my sons 3GS.

Hows your software development coming along?
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So how do assemblers get the OS on the device? Surely not iTunes?

how does foxconn load OS X and Windows on millions of computers? surely they don't have people do it manually?

they have special HD imaging machines. been done this way since the 1990's. nothing new
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how does foxconn load OS X and Windows on millions of computers? surely they don't have people do it manually?

I do this at work (since we really can't do image deployment - machines are too different). It is really boring work.
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10.72 has iCloud support.
iOS 5 is GM.
Everyting is ready for Iphone5 + Iphone4s /Ipod touch

Within a couple of days the press will get invitation to something special.
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Within a couple of days the press will get invitation to something special.

Its kind of late already, maybe they wont do a press event?
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how does foxconn load OS X and Windows on millions of computers? surely they don't have people do it manually?

they have special HD imaging machines. been done this way since the 1990's. nothing new

High Definition imaging machines?
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how does foxconn load OS X and Windows on millions of computers? surely they don't have people do it manually?

they have special HD imaging machines. been done this way since the 1990's. nothing new

Someone shoud put those in the APple stores. Or a smaller version.

I was aware of the computer image loading. Even then, OS loading is slow pat of the process, and doing custom versions worse.
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High Definition imaging machines?

Hard drive.
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Probably via a system image that is deployed to the drive. Same way they do it for laptops and other devices that have an OS.

Right, but it's still an interesting logistical challenge. Presumably there are tens of thousands of devices already assembled that'll need the software loaded onto them. It would be cool to see how they do that (unless it's just thousands of kids getting paid pennies to do it manually).
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Hows your software development coming along?

I may just be because it's early and my sarcasm sensor is out of whack, but if you were trying to take a jab at him, I don't see the point. Even if he isn't developing software, as long as he paid the $99 for a developer account, what does it matter? Everyone has the right to test the software, so long as you pay the $99 fee.
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High Definition imaging machines?

I admit, i laughed. Well done for a cheap monday morning laugh...

I am looking forward to iOS 5 more than anything since the original iPhone. Part of me is pretty bugged it is so far out still, but part of me wants it to be the best roll out they have ever had. It would be good for them to really knock this out of park.

Android is still pretty much a poor mans iPhone, and the tablets? What a joke. Went to the daughters gymnastics meet and out of maybe 150 parents watching the girls move from event to event i saw 6 iPads being used during downtime, or even to film and take pictures. Dad in front of me had clips of his daughters vault for her to watch on the iPad trimmed and set so she could figure out what to change before the medals were handed out. Have still only one single other tablet in the wild ever. One of the $99 HP blowouts, day after the sale. They have never taken it out since then and have told me they are saving for "the real thing."

Still, if this release is as good as it looks, rolls out smoothly, and installs on older gear, the perception that Apple gets it right and everyone else is just faking it will be greatly enhanced.
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So how do assemblers get the OS on the device? Surely not iTunes?

Probably some sort of USB imaging station, likely one that can handle dozens of devices at once. Like disk drive cloning stations, but on a volume production level.

Remember, just because iTunes is the only tool approved for end user updates to the iPhone firmware doesn't mean that Apple can't write other tools to access/flash the firmware. These tools simply aren't distributed to the general public.
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I may just be because it's early and my sarcasm sensor is out of whack, but if you were trying to take a jab at him, I don't see the point. Even if he isn't developing software, as long as he paid the $99 for a developer account, what does it matter? Everyone has the right to test the software, so long as you pay the $99 fee.

Pay the $99 and you legally get the good stuff. Or the stuff, as I prefer to call it since I loaded beta 1 on my poor iPad.
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Well then this week we should get beta 8. There are still some lingering issues that need work, some since beta 1.
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Right, but it's still an interesting logistical challenge. Presumably there are tens of thousands of devices already assembled that'll need the software loaded onto them. It would be cool to see how they do that (unless it's just thousands of kids getting paid pennies to do it manually).

Not really - remember, this kind of stuff has been going on for a while now - factories easily have the ability to deploy out to hundreds of devices at a time - it's just a standard image that is written out. It's much faster and nothing like a consumer upgrade (because factory stuff doesn't come with anything).

Seriously, they have a machine they plug a bunch of units in, flash the device which powers off automatically and then they re-package it. Remember, they had to flash the OS on them once already during assembly. It's just repeating one of many steps.

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Remember, just because iTunes is the only tool approved for end user updates to the iPhone firmware doesn't mean that Apple can't write other tools to access/flash the firmware. These tools simply aren't distributed to the general public.

This - Assemblers get access to much more sophisticated tools that end users don't need nor would they want to. Foxconn already does this for other vendors daily.
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It strikes me that "flashing" a flash drive is probably faster than "flashing" a movable device, like a normal HD. Anybody have a technical idea of the speeds?
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Not really - remember, this kind of stuff has been going on for a while now - factories easily have the ability to deploy out to hundreds of devices at a time - it's just a standard image that is written out. It's much faster and nothing like a consumer upgrade (because factory stuff doesn't come with anything).

Seriously, they have a machine they plug a bunch of units in, flash the device which powers off automatically and then they re-package it. Remember, they had to flash the OS on them once already during assembly. It's just repeating one of many steps.

That said, if the assemlbers have been building 150K a day, as per the rumours, its still a logistical challenge to reflash them. Flashing 4.3 was part of an existing process, an aseembly line. Now they have to be gathered up and re-flashed.
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Its kind of late already, maybe they wont do a press event?

Not late at all. I think that Apple normally does their press events on Tuesdays, right? Assuming this is true, I would guess that Apple will send out the press invites this Friday for a 9/27 press event. This gives the typical ten day notification for this kind of press event, so we should finally see some REAL happenings towards the end of this week.

A press event at the end of Sept. also is perfect timing for a mid-October launch. I would guess now that things seem to be firming up, that we will see the actual iPhone 5 release the second week of October.
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Its kind of late already, maybe they wont do a press event?

No press for your cash cow? I think they'll do an event still.
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It's about friggin time! Sheesh! lol.

Kidding. Apple can take as looooooong as they want. I am sure the wait will be worth it. :-)

Wonder if the ipod touch 5 will be announced at the same event? I think so. Then we can finally end all this confusion over the larger tear drop shaped device and wether it's an iphone 5 or actually the new ipod touch. The anticipation is killin' me. Heh heh heh. :-p
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That said, if the assemlbers have been building 150K a day, as per the rumours, its still a logistical challenge to reflash them. Flashing 4.3 was part of an existing process, an aseembly line. Now they have to be gathered up and re-flashed.

Presumably though, they have done this before (though most likely with another product). We don't know how many units that they will have to flash. It's a pain for sure, but its something that they are probably equipped to do.

From what I have read, Foxconn can rapidly scale up if needed.
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Well then this week we should get beta 8. There are still some lingering issues that need work, some since beta 1.

The GM will cover any issues which remain, the majority are in the music and video apps (as always with the betas).
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Its kind of late already, maybe they wont do a press event?

A press event is pretty much guaranteed. They already highlighted some of the features of iOS 5, but there are a lot of things that have not been introduced yet, and probably even some new things since WWDC. Also, they want to show off the new design. Apple doesn't want to just post a new product on their page and let people explore it on the internet. They want to give it a proper in-depth introduction to get everyone juiced for the new iPhone. This is how they control the hype machine.

Personally, I am hoping for event announcements this Wednesday, for an event Sept 21 since it's the first day of Fall.
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So how do assemblers get the OS on the device? Surely not iTunes?

The analyst is so full of it. In february he said the iPad will be delayed until June.


Concord Securities Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has informed Apple Insider the supply chain is near enough on track for a POSSIBLE release of late April or maybe early June, but we must remember that a shipment of display panels has been delayed. So it is not the iPad 2 launch that has been delayed it is display panels that have been delayed.
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Here is another, iPad 2 prognostications.

According to Kuo, the supply chain is mostly on track for a possible "late April or early May" launch, though a shipment of display panels has been delayed. Kuo sees the delay as unlikely to significantly affect the timeline for the launch of the next iPad, however, as LG Display and Samsung can meet 75 to 80 percent of Apple's needs.
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Its kind of late already, maybe they wont do a press event?

Unlikely that Apple would skip a live event to launch the iPhone 5.

Be realistic. Of all of the announcements Apple makes, the one that best merits a live event is the iPhone release. After all, it generates over half of the company's revenue and with its fat margins, it's the cash cow for Apple shareholders. It definitely rates its own event, far more than some esoteric niche product like the Mac Pro.

The other two events that merit live events are new versions of iOS and Mac OS X. In fourth place would probably be the MacBook Air at this point. Everything else that Apple announces is less impactful although Apple could still do live events for many of these announcements since they get a huge amount of media coverage regardless.
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Someone shoud put those in the APple stores. Or a smaller version.

I was aware of the computer image loading. Even then, OS loading is slow pat of the process, and doing custom versions worse.

Actually OS loading on a flash-based device is much faster than hard drive imaging.

Also, what happens in the factory isn't installing custom versions of the OS. They are installing a standard version and don't have to worry about preserving user data, previous settings, etc.
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Here is another, iPad 2 prognostications.

You mean three.

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According to Kuo, the supply chain is mostly on track for a possible "late April or early May" launch,

OH HEY LOOK AT THAT NOT THIS YEAR WHO WOULD HAVE GUESSED.

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Someone shoud put those in the APple stores. Or a smaller version.

I was aware of the computer image loading. Even then, OS loading is slow pat of the process, and doing custom versions worse.


they don't install the OS and activate the devices. they just dump an image on the phone so that when you turn it on it will activate. the reason the process takes longer from itunes is that it has to hit apple's servers to send your device info to register it

there is even a tool on Windows that goes back to the 1990's where it will revert Windows to a just installed state and run the set up part to put in a new computer name, etc on next boot. it's used for mass deployment.
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Probably some sort of USB imaging station, likely one that can handle dozens of devices at once. Like disk drive cloning stations, but on a volume production level.

Remember, just because iTunes is the only tool approved for end user updates to the iPhone firmware doesn't mean that Apple can't write other tools to access/flash the firmware. These tools simply aren't distributed to the general public.

I can tell you it was done this way in the past with desktop machines (though they were SCSI drives). Been a while since I worked at Apple but while there I found a bug that caused a large batch to be run back thru and re-imaged. They didn't need to be burned in and I don't know what of if there is a burn process for the mobile devices these days. Doubtful it would be as long since things are cooler in every aspect of the machine.
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The pre-release software contains bugs and is meant only for developers to test App Store software and ensure compatibility with new features

...and compatibility with new bugs?
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I'm going to take it a step further and say that even if he isn't developing software and even if he didn't pay the $99 fee, who cares.

in other words, you armchair software police need to STFU and mind your own business.

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I may just be because it's early and my sarcasm sensor is out of whack, but if you were trying to take a jab at him, I don't see the point. Even if he isn't developing software, as long as he paid the $99 for a developer account, what does it matter? Everyone has the right to test the software, so long as you pay the $99 fee.
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Well then this week we should get beta 8. There are still some lingering issues that need work, some since beta 1.

Maybe, maybe not. There are still some "lingering issues" in OS X that have needed work since 10.0, IMHO.

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It's about friggin time! Sheesh! lol.

Kidding. Apple can take as looooooong as they want. I am sure the wait will be worth it. :-)

Wonder if the ipod touch 5 will be announced at the same event? I think so. Then we can finally end all this confusion over the larger tear drop shaped device and wether it's an iphone 5 or actually the new ipod touch. The anticipation is killin' me. Heh heh heh. :-p

Agreed on the anticipation, but I think this validates what I've felt for months - that it's making sure iOS 5 delivers - and that all the integration with iCloud and Lion is going to work right out of the gate - that's dictated the later release date more than the hardware, unless Apple was waiting for some critical new component or other - i.e., a brandy-new, more compact, efficient, hi-functioning universal radio set for all the 3G's, CDMA's and GSM's out there - to make a) true world phones and b) cut the number of SKU's they have to stock and assemble by 50% or more. (PS: I'm in the this-release-won't-be-LTE 'cos the chips Apple wants for those are at least months out camp.)

And the release may have pushed forward for one more reason (below)...

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Unlikely that Apple would skip a live event to launch the iPhone 5.

Be realistic. Of all of the announcements Apple makes, the one that best merits a live event is the iPhone release. After all, it generates over half of the company's revenue and with its fat margins, it's the cash cow for Apple shareholders. It definitely rates its own event, far more than some esoteric niche product like the Mac Pro.

The other two events that merit live events are new versions of iOS and Mac OS X. In fourth place would probably be the MacBook Air at this point. Everything else that Apple announces is less impactful although Apple could still do live events for many of these announcements since they get a huge amount of media coverage regardless.

I'd certainly expect an event. Apple gets more free advertising than all the rest of the consumer tech companies put together by holding onto info and then feeding it to an assembled group of slathering reporters at one of their controlled events.

And another part of the release timing might be to sync up the release dates on phones and pods, since iPods are getting a bit yesterday in this converged world and as a proportion of Apple's revenue stream, and will actually get more buzz as part of the iPhone 5/4S, iOS 5, iCloud rollout than they would have on their own by far. (Another PS: I'm not expecting any 5" iPod anytime soon either.)

The only real question to me is whether this presentation (and other major future ones) is going to be fronted by the new CEO or by that still "active Apple employee" who also happens to be Chairman of the Board.

PPS: Another release that would merit stage time and a press build-up would be Apple's next serious, non-hobby move toward becoming a dominant force in the living room.

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Not late at all. I think that Apple normally does their press events on Tuesdays, right? Assuming this is true, I would guess that Apple will send out the press invites this Friday for a 9/27 press event. This gives the typical ten day notification for this kind of press event, so we should finally see some REAL happenings towards the end of this week.

A press event at the end of Sept. also is perfect timing for a mid-October launch. I would guess now that things seem to be firming up, that we will see the actual iPhone 5 release the second week of October.

No, Apple does not typically have these events on Tuesday. That is an urban legend that probably came from a related - but quite different - observation: when issuing simple press releases to publicize updates in specs to old product lines, Apple typically does the press release on Tuesday mornings. Major events with media invitations happen on whatever day suits Apple at the time.

But take away that one observation, and I agree with the rest of your post.

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im want to get one but i hope their changes, i been wait 3 months for this i hope appple dont dissapoint, i like i os so far and cant wait to jailbreak iOS 5 but if they dont upgrade it i might get a 4th gen or get a 5 white since i waited this long
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