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Even with an improved antenna design, Apple's next-generation iPhone is expected to look largely the same as the current iPhone 4, and it will also feature the same amount of RAM: 512MB.

Analyst Ming-Chi Kuo told AppleInsider on Monday that Apple's anticipated fifth-generation iPhone will sport the same 512MB of DRAM as the iPhone 4. In addition, the hardware will feature a glass front and back, just like the current iPhone.

The so-called "iPhone 5" is also expected to have an improved antenna design, potentially addressing concerns that arose last year when it was discovered that covering the bottom left corner of the iPhone 4 could reduce reception. Though the antenna will be improved, Kuo indicated there will be little change to its shape, and users will not see a discernable difference in its appearance.

Dubbed "N94," the new iPhone model will reportedly also use the same Gorilla glass for its back panel. Kuo also said it will be available in both black and white models at launch, and 60 percent of units assembled so far have been of the black variety.

Echoing a report from earlier this month, he also said that Foxconn will be responsible for manufacturing 85 percent of Apple's fifth-generation iPhone units. The other 15 percent will reportedly be assembled by Pegatron.

In all Apple is said to be planning to build 30 million fifth-generation iPhone units by the end of calendar 2011. If Apple were to meet that goal and sell all of the handsets in the holiday quarter, it would easily best the record 20.34 million iPhones Apple sold in its June 2011 quarter.



The next iPhone will also reportedly have a higher resolution 8 megapixel camera. According to Kuo's industry checks, the camera modules for the iPhone 5 will be made by Sony and Omnivision, and the module will be almost the same height as the one found in the iPhone 4.

The higher resolution of the new camera module is said to have presented a design challenge for Apple, which is looking to keep it the same height as the lower 5-megapixel camera found in the iPhone 4.

The size of the rear camera module is said to be one of the main reasons that the next iPhone will not have a radically changed design. Kuo said the handset is expected to look similar to the iPhone 4, with components sandwiched between two pieces of glass.
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My impression is that if the iPhone 5 looks exactly like the 4.... They may be building too many of them. There will be many disappointed fence-sitters.
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My impression is that if the iPhone 5 looks exactly like the 4.... They may be building too many of them. There will be many disappointed fence-sitters.

Agreed. The thinner build with a bigger screen design and a touch sensitive home button for app switching would be enough to sell me.

Just an A5 chip and world phone capabilities would bore me. Apple knows how to add new features when they're necessary to make sure demand is greater than supply. It'll be different enough that it'll get lots of hype.

Otherwise same with me, Im keeping my iPhone 4 with iOS 5.
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With all the rumored improvements coupled with case designs leaked from various sources, I'd be very surprised if the newest iPhone looks the same as the iPhone4. Perhaps I need to prepare to be "very surprised". . .
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Yea! Let's rehash the same thing a million times and call it breaking news!
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Hopefully this time the antenna really is improved so I will be able to get reception at my house again, like I did with my original and 3GS iPhones.
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Agreed. The thinner build with a bigger screen design and a touch sensitive home button for app switching would be enough to sell me.

Really? Why is a touch home button so important?
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I wish Apple would do something about the home button. I've never had a cell phone where the buttons worked for the duration of my contract, and sadly my 3GS is no different.

The home button (the only button on the stinking phone) only works intermittently and it's quite frustrating because I love my iPhone otherwise. I will probably fork over $200 for another one because no other phones are any better, but I would really love it if Apple found another way to get to the home screen without using this damned button.
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My impression is that if the iPhone 5 looks exactly like the 4.... They may be building too many of them. There will be many disappointed fence-sitters.

My impression -- based on the fact that Apple sold 20 million iPhones last quarter -- is that Apple will sell every single one of these 30 million units and there will still be a backlog of people who want the new iPhone.

There will maybe be tens of thousands of disappointed fence-sitters, the few people who regularly post to tech rumor blogs. Joe Consumer will be quite happy with the new device and Apple will end on atop the next smartphone customer satisfaction survey, just like they always do.

And AAPL shareholders will stub their toes tripping over large sacks of money proliferating all over the place.
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Really? Why is a touch home button so important?

Double tapping the home button and choosing the app to switch to both wear out my home button and takes too much time. I dont mind if the home button is still a physical button, but I want a way to quick switch apps like the iPad and the 4/5 finger gestures. I believe this will be done with a touch sensitive area near the home button in this generation of devices.
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Agreed. The thinner build with a bigger screen design and a touch sensitive home button for app switching would be enough to sell me.

Just an A5 chip and world phone capabilities would bore me. Apple knows how to add new features when they're necessary to make sure demand is greater than supply. It'll be different enough that it'll get lots of hype.

Otherwise same with me, Im keeping my iPhone 4 with iOS 5.

I tell you what, if the iPhone 5 ends up being like the so called iPhone 4S and not the slight teardrop/slightly larger screen, I'll be keeping my iPhone 3GS with iOS 5 never mind upgrading to an iPhone 4!

If they really do refresh the 4 with a 4S and also release a 5, that would explain all the mixes messages we are getting.

It really really really cracks me up when we get a news article with someone saying they know that the iPhone 5 will be largely the same as the 4 then 2 minutes later, we get another article saying the iPhone 5 will have significant changes. Grrrr
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Come October, it has been 16 months since the iPhone 4 was introduced. I don't believe Apple will release a phone that is indistinguishable to the eye from it's predecessor after that length of time. Apple is going to want all those iPhone 4 owners to trade up, they are going to want this iPhone to be the fastest selling ever to demonstrate how Apple can do just as well without Steve at the helm.

Perhaps this is the cheap iPhone.

Let's also not forget that Apple released that icon with the latest iPhoto beta which lines up all too well with the leaked case designs that have been floating around for months.
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The so-called "iPhone 5" is also expected to have an improved antenna design, potentially addressing concerns that arose last year when it was discovered that covering the bottom left corner of the iPhone 4 could reduce reception.


The iPhone 4 has the best reception of any phone anywhere. But now Apple will make it even better.
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Yea! Let's rehash the same thing a million times and call it breaking news!

Agreed. We all know iPhone 5 is coming, followed by iPhone 6 and iPhone 7 etc. as is iPad 3, iPad 4, iPad 5 etc. How on earth is any of this news, especially when there are several articles on it every day?

And by the way, who on earth is Ming-Chi Kuo, and why should I give a stuff what he thinks?
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If it looks largely the same then I guess I will be less tempted to go buy one for $649 (since I am on a contract with Verizon that is nowhere near its upgrade date). I wonder if there will be more than meets the eye though, as in even though it looks largely the same will the improvements be massive enough internally to get people to upgrade.

The big killer feature for me, since I intend to travel a bit would be CDMA and GSM in one.
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The home button (the only button on the stinking phone) ...

You don't have a power button on yours? Or volume buttons?
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Joe Consumer will be quite happy with the new device and Apple will end on atop the next smartphone customer satisfaction survey, just like they always do.

Why would people jump at an iPhone 4.1? If anything, Joe Consumer will jump at *any* perceived advance, even if they thing only *looks* completely different. If it looks the same and the improvements are subtle, I'm not sold that this'll sell any better than the 4 sells now (not that that's the end of the world for Apple).

Better antenna and camera! Yay! RLY?
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My impression is that if the iPhone 5 looks exactly like the 4.... They may be building too many of them. There will be many disappointed fence-sitters.

I like the current design... it is not made of cheap plastic. The Gorilla glass and the Stainless Steel antenna give it a good solid feel... I do use an Apple bumper for protection. The design is very efficient in terms of space use and improvements in battery capacity and components will extend the the time between charging. The thickness certainly allows for an improved camera not only with better sensor, but also optics and flash.

Besides an improved camera, battery capacity and faster CPU, larger screen with small bezel, I would have preferred 64 GB of Flash, and 1 GB of RAM. World roaming helps, but the charges are too expensive for ATT overseas. I would have to unlock it before I leave, etc. Easier to use a cheap GSM Nokia and buy a prepaid SIM... or use an old unlocked iPhone.
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You don't have a power button on yours? Or volume buttons?

Quit being complicated

I know what he means though. The home button on my 3GS has started to play up after 2 years use.

A touch sensitive home button would certainly remove that issue.
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Same heavy bulky design as iPhone 4 = No Sale.
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You don't have a power button on yours? Or volume buttons?

Yeah, that's clearly relevant to the point I was making.
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My impression -- based on the fact that Apple sold 20 million iPhones last quarter -- is that Apple will sell every single one of these 30 million units and there will still be a backlog of people who want the new iPhone.

There will maybe be tens of thousands of disappointed fence-sitters, the few people who regularly post to tech rumor blogs. Joe Consumer will be quite happy with the new device and Apple will end on atop the next smartphone customer satisfaction survey, just like they always do.

And AAPL shareholders will stub their toes tripping over large sacks of money proliferating all over the place.

Apple counts on iPhone owners to switch out their old phones for the newest phone.... My point is that there will be less of an incentive to break a contract or buy at full pop if the phone looks the same with marginal upgrades in performance.

My iPhone 4 works great. I will not move to a 5 if there is not a compelling aesthetic reason to do so. And I believe there are more than ten thousand people in the same position.
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Yea! Let's rehash the same thing a million times and call it breaking news!

That's because AppleInsider is not reprinting rumores they read somewhere else. The rumor was told directly to them, so it's breaking news
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Why the heck is it so important for outside sources to constantly report rumors about the iPhone 5 almost right up to the release date? What they're reporting doesn't even make sense. It sounds more like they're talking about the rumored, upgraded iPhone 4S than the iPhone 5. If that's all Apple had been releasing, I doubt that Apple would have pushed back the release date as far as it did. It's more likely the iPhone 5 has been completely redesigned including the casing.
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Apple counts on iPhone owners to switch out their old phones for the newest phone.... My point is that there will be less of an incentive to break a contract or buy at full pop if the phone looks the same with marginal upgrades in performance.

My iPhone 4 works great. I will not move to a 5 if there is not a compelling aesthetic reason to do so. And I believe there are more than ten thousand people in the same position.

No, they don't. Most iPhone owners will be on contract, and when their contract is renewed they will be offered a new phone, probably an upgrade to the five The five will be sold primarily to those who do not currently have an iPhone. Normal people (not tech heads like us) will be on a standard upgrade cycle.

The iPhone 3G works great, the 4 works great - there's no reason to upgrade other than "I want the latest/greatest", those buying will always aim for the latest/greatest, cost allowing. Apple don't need to make any significant changes, the phone is the best on the market it's the best known phone on the planet - they're selling as fast as they can be produced.

Apple don't have to do anything to convince anyone to upgrade, they just have to continue to keep ahead of the pack - and that is as much about OS and the App Store as hardware.
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Oh and after another pass at the article.... It opines that the reason the phone will look the same is because of the camera..... So the whole reason the iPhone 5 will look the way it does is so they can fit the 8 MP camera? I'm not buying.
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Same heavy bulky design as iPhone 4 = No Sale.

Bulky?? You do realise that the iPhone 4 is still one of the smallest thinnest smartphones on the market.
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Why would people jump at an iPhone 4.1? If anything, Joe Consumer will jump at *any* perceived advance, even if they thing only *looks* completely different. If it looks the same and the improvements are subtle, I'm not sold that this'll sell any better than the 4 sells now (not that that's the end of the world for Apple).

Better antenna and camera! Yay! RLY?

You really don't get it, do you? Because Joe Consumer doesn't care about tech rumor blogs or smartphone specs.

Joe Consumer wants what's for sale now. And the iPhone 5 will outsell the iPhone 4, just like the iPhone 4 outsold the iPhone 3GS, and the iPhone 3GS outsold the iPhone 3G...
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I like the current design... it is not made of cheap plastic. The Gorilla glass and the Stainless Steel antenna give it a good solid feel... I do use an Apple bumper for protection. The design is very efficient in terms of space use and improvements in battery capacity and components will extend the the time between charging. The thickness certainly allows for an improved camera not only with better sensor, but also optics and flash.

Besides an improved camera, battery capacity and faster CPU, larger screen with small bezel, I would have preferred 64 GB of Flash, and 1 GB of RAM. World roaming helps, but the charges are too expensive for ATT overseas. I would have to unlock it before I leave, etc. Easier to use a cheap GSM Nokia and buy a prepaid SIM... or use an old unlocked iPhone.

Completely agree with your first paragraph. I skipped out on the 3g and 3gs because compared to the original iphone, it looked like Apple cheaped out on the case design. When I saw the iphone 4, I knew I had to get it.
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My Home Button on my 3G works just fine - in fact, the whole phone still works fine. I've dropped it loads of times now, but no glass has shattered (well, there is only half as much than on the iP4 so basic maths tells you that) and the phone is still a great phone.

If the iP5 still has two glass sides, I won't be getting one. If the iP5 still has distinct edges that feel bad in the hand, I won't get it. If the iP5 will only sync with Lion, I won't be getting it. I'll just keep my iP3 (and maybe buy a used 3GS if it breaks or dies).
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Apple counts on iPhone owners to switch out their old phones for the newest phone.... My point is that there will be less of an incentive to break a contract or buy at full pop if the phone looks the same with marginal upgrades in performance.

My iPhone 4 works great. I will not move to a 5 if there is not a compelling aesthetic reason to do so. And I believe there are more than ten thousand people in the same position.

Personally, I suspect that Apple anticipates the VAST majority (80%+) of iPhone users are upgrading based upon their contract cycle. This means that even if the iPhone 5 is visually identical to the iPhone 4 you are still going to have a ton of people upgrading from their odl 3GS, like me, or some who held out even a bit longer upgrading from a 3G. The segment of the iPhone community that upgrades every release I would assume is quite small actually.

It would take a radically improved model for me to even consider breaking the contract and paying full price to upgrade at the one year mark. It would take even more for my wife to consider it. All in all, I'm sure that Apple is going to do just fine whether this model is an incremental update or a radical change.

The good news here is that everything is now pointing to us finding out some real details in the next couple weeks.
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If the iP5 still has two glass sides, I won't be getting one. If the iP5 still has distinct edges that feel bad in the hand, I won't get it. If the iP5 will only sync with Lion, I won't be getting it.

So you think you know better than Jonny what will generate the biggest profits for Apple?

I guess Apple is Doomed.

Tell you what: Go out and build a company bigger than Apple, design your own phone to meet your individual biases and strange demands, and THEN maybe Steve will care what you think. OK?
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I will say this.... If I walk into the Verizon store and there is an iPhone 4 and an iPhone 4S... That salesman will need a load of training to keep me from taking the $99 iPhone 4. Side by side, why spend the extra money? They are both beautiful - they both have ios5... Well the 5 has dual core! Selling on specs has always flown in the face of the Apple way.
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So you think you know better than Jonny what will generate the biggest profits for Apple?

I guess Apple is Doomed.

Tell you what: Go out and build a company bigger than Apple, design your own phone to meet your individual biases and strange demands, and THEN maybe Steve will care what you think. OK?

Relax there buddy. Nowhere did he say Apple was doomed. Nowhere did he say he knew how to better design forms. Who the heck are you to tell him he doesn't like glass-backed phones?

If he doesn't like the design of the iPhone4, then he doesn't like it. Why do you have a problem with it?

What other products do you like that you should dictate that we should like too, and somehow infer from that that we think the manufacturer of said products are doomed if we don't like agree with your opinion?
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I could live with the design staying the same (but a 4+-inch screen with improved resolution would have been great), but why on earth wouldn't they upgrade the RAM? Madness. Even with the 512 MB in the iPhone 4 sites in mobile Safari are constantly flushed from memory.
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Apple counts on iPhone owners to switch out their old phones for the newest phone.... My point is that there will be less of an incentive to break a contract or buy at full pop if the phone looks the same with marginal upgrades in performance.

My iPhone 4 works great. I will not move to a 5 if there is not a compelling aesthetic reason to do so. And I believe there are more than ten thousand people in the same position.

No, Apple counts on new users to buy the iPhone.

That's why they sell more of them every year. If they relied on existing users just upgrading, their sales would be relatively flat, but that is certainly not the case. They sold 20 million iPhones last quarter, the most they have have ever sold.

Same with Mac sales. They need new customers, people who have never owned a Mac before. Something like over half of the Mac sales in their bricks-and-mortar Apple Stores are to first-time Mac buyers.

It's sales to new customers that has driven Apple's success over the past decade.
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The 3GS looked like the 3G, but sold in greater numbers. The same thing will happen with iP5, no matter what it looks like.
post #38 of 181
Seems pretty clear that this is the lower end model that's being launched soon. Apple is smart enough to know that if they don't change the physical appearance of the thing, worldwide demand will be lower than it would have been with a good new design.
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Bulky?? You do realise that the iPhone 4 is still one of the smallest thinnest smartphones on the market.

One of the thinnest ...

But new iPhones have invariably been the thinnest upon their release. Are they going to break that trend?
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Look like I'll be skipping an iPhone generation.
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