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post #121 of 181
9/12/11 at 1:15pm
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... if the low end rumors are true this is a very un-sexy update. I mean the faster processor and better camera are not exactly the blow your skirt up kind of things. Now, I definitely think that the processor upgrade is a great move, and this is also true for the camera upgrade... I think the point is that people are hoping/expecting more from Apple than an incremental upgrade. ...

I disagree. What you describe is exactly what I'm hoping for and it would 'blow my skirt up' enough to make me buy one.

What you are saying here is almost word for word what a lot of people said just before the iPhone 3Gs came out too, and the day *after* it came out, everyone was falling all over themselves to say what a great move it was and how they were going to run out and get one.

I think the bottom line is that despite what people say on forums, Apple pretty much has a licence to print money here and no matter what comes out, it will sell like hotcakes. That being said, I don't see them blowing the high end part of the market that they typically like to occupy, by coming out with a giant screen mini-iPad type design as the rumours have been suggesting, which would only satisfy the budget conscious low-end american market.

iPhone 4 is very definitely the sexiest phone on the planet right now. The idea that they might re-use the basic design for the following year is not only *not* crazy, it's very sensible and pretty much to be expected.
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post #122 of 181
9/12/11 at 1:18pm
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I'm curious why people think the iPhone needs 1GB RAM simply because other devices need 1GB RAM or it's been the same for a whole year. The amount of RAM you need is not dependent on the competition or the Earth's revolution around the Sun, but upon requirements specific to an OS and its apps.

I've had absolutely no issues with my iPhone 4's 512MB RAM in iOS 4.0 through 5.0. I have more RAM available to the system than with any other iPhone that came before it so unless Apple has some RAM heavy additions coming in iOS 6.0 next year I have trouble believing that they will double the RAM based on the reasons in this thread.

With Safari on my Mac using upward of 600MB right now, usually peaking at 1GB, I think you need more RAM on the iPhone. Even 1GB is barely enough.

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post #123 of 181
9/12/11 at 1:21pm
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I suppose all you care about is what, iOS?

No, the experience. Hardware and software. Something you obviously don't understand.

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LTE

Enjoy your network that doesn't even cover most cities it's in, much less any of Apple's countries of service

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AMOLED screen

Which looks worse than an S-IPS LED-backlit LCD

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4.5" screen

Who gives a flying frick? I don't want to hold a brick to my face. I want a 3.5" screen. It's a PHONE.

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Android is not a "No-Brainer"

Seems the only people who buy those phones are, however.

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the iOS experience eroded by AT&T

Oh, look. There's Verizon, Spring, and T-Mobile for the iPhone 5. Pick those instead.

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increasingly vulnerable

To what?

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Maybe you should "look around" and not just go with the herd.

If references to livestock were currency, you Andrones would be rich beyond your wildest dreams.

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iOS is great, but it's not everything

Absolutely agreed. It's better than anything else out there, though.

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and in this case, it might not be enough.

What 'case' is this?

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And in my defense, An iPhone 5 WITH LTE and a larger screen IS A NO BRAINER for me.

May as well buy your Samsung phone now, then.

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So don't tell me I'm wasting your time.

Are you kidding me? Your sentence is wrong. Generally, sentences can't be wrongas there's no metric against which to weigh sentences that don't support a pointbut that's wrong. Because it can't be right.

Don't even think about trying to tell me when and where my time is wasted. It's my time. \

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post #124 of 181
9/12/11 at 1:22pm
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Originally Posted by mercury99 View Post

No, I will not be disappointed. I just went to an ATT store and played with Samsung Infuse. The 4.5" super AMOLED+ screen is gorgeous, like nothing out there: I could not take my hands off it.

Were you looking at the screen inside the store, or outside? I hear people saying that AMOLED(+) screens are difficult to look at in day- or sunlight.
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post #125 of 181
9/12/11 at 1:27pm
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I work for a chip company based out of Southern CA. Apple is one of our customer. I know for a fact Apple purchased/ordered most of the iPhone components earlier this year.

Why? Because your employer is the sole supplier?
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post #126 of 181
9/12/11 at 1:37pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

No, the experience. Hardware and software. Something you obviously don't understand.

Enjoy your network that doesn't even cover most cities it's in, much less any of Apple's countries of service

Which looks worse than an S-IPS LED-backlit LCD

Who gives a flying frick? I don't want to hold a brick to my face. I want a 3.5" screen. It's a PHONE.

...blah blah

This is the kind of debate I come to AppleInsider to see. Not ill informed, reactionary, inflammatory, ad hominem.

BTW, clearly you've not actually seen the Samsung Super AMOLED screen with your own eyes. It's gorgeous.
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post #127 of 181
9/12/11 at 1:41pm
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Originally Posted by alex.sebenski View Post

Double tapping the home button and choosing the app to switch to both wear out my home button and takes too much time. I dont mind if the home button is still a physical button, but I want a way to quick switch apps like the iPad and the 4/5 finger gestures. I believe this will be done with a touch sensitive area near the home button in this generation of devices.

And....a software home button would be nice since the thumb force it takes over and over again are causing problems in my lower hands.....
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post #128 of 181
9/12/11 at 1:45pm
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Originally Posted by djsherly View Post

BTW, clearly you've not actually seen the Samsung Super AMOLED screen with your own eyes. It's gorgeous.

I do admit that I've not held an iPhone and an AMOLED-based phone next to one another for a direct comparison, but I've seen an AMOLED. It looked nice–certainly better than my nearly 4.5 year old iPhone–but not as good as current iPhones and the iPad.

Do I want Apple to eventually move to AMOLED once the panels can be as good and last as long as LED-LCD? Maybe. Only if they use less power and the colors are correct.

Do I want Apple to leapfrog all OLED stuff and just go to QLED? Yes. VERY YES.

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And....a software home button would be nice since the thumb force it takes over and over again are causing problems in my lower hands.....

Weak thumbs, eh? Don't worry. Eventually Apple will implement those gestures from 4.3 (if anyone wants to correct me on when those gestures were put in, feel free. I've been using iOS 5 for so long, I've forgotten everything about 4).

Yes, those gestures. They are ABSOLUTELY, BAR NONE the way that iOS should be navigated. Pinch to go to the home screen. Swipe between open applications. Absolute magic.
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post #129 of 181
9/12/11 at 1:49pm
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I'm curious why people think the iPhone needs 1GB RAM simply because other devices need 1GB RAM or it's been the same for a whole year. The amount of RAM you need is not dependent on the competition or the Earth's revolution around the Sun, but upon requirements specific to an OS and its apps.

I've had absolutely no issues with my iPhone 4's 512MB RAM in iOS 4.0 through 5.0. I have more RAM available to the system than with any other iPhone that came before it so unless Apple has some RAM heavy additions coming in iOS 6.0 next year I have trouble believing that they will double the RAM based on the reasons in this thread.

Perhaps it's a feeling that in the future you might need more ram. After all, the iPhone apps are getting larger and ever more complex. I know that my iPhone 3gs can run an impressive amount of programs (multitasking) and can exhaust the battery (while plugged in) before it runs out of ram. On the other hand I have run out of ram while running one application (streaming audio).
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post #130 of 181
9/12/11 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by Takeo View Post

Same heavy bulky design as iPhone 4 = No Sale.

sarcasm?
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post #131 of 181
9/12/11 at 1:56pm
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Originally Posted by Jsyedinak View Post

And....a software home button would be nice since the thumb force it takes over and over again are causing problems in my lower hands.....

You have upper hands?
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post #132 of 181
9/12/11 at 2:08pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

No, the experience. Hardware and software. Something you obviously don't understand.

True...something few Android phone makers seem to understand.

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Enjoy your network that doesn't even cover most cities it's in, much less any of Apple's countries of service

Never understood that argument either...when LTE is more widespread it'll be worth it. Until then it's a battery drainer.

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Which looks worse than an S-IPS LED-backlit LCD…

Eh...I beg to differ...Agree to disagree I suppose.

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Who gives a flying frick? I don't want to hold a brick to my face. I want a 3.5" screen. It's a PHONE.

Well 4.5 inches is a tad big IMO I wouldn't exactly call it a bad thing. The experience using a larger screened "phone" is something you'd have to experience for yourself. I myself would probably not go above 4.3 inches...the 4in G2X i have now is fine though.

Also...these devices have stopped being phones a long time ago

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Seems the only people who buy those phones are, however.

Eh, I guess you were provoked, but don't be a dick.

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Oh, look. There's Verizon, Spring, and T-Mobile for the iPhone 5. Pick those instead.

lol, no clue where he was going with that one.

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If references to livestock were currency, you Andrones would be rich beyond your wildest dreams.

Well he makes a valid suggestion...but he was being a dick....

iPhanboy....iPhag...blah blah blah...

take the upper hand....Fandroid is fine. lol.

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Absolutely agreed. It's better than anything else out there, though.

eh, second part is subjective. But it IS great.

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Are you kidding me? Your sentence is wrong. Generally, sentences can't be wrong–as there's no metric against which to weigh sentences that don't support a point–but that's wrong. Because it can't be right.

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post #133 of 181
9/12/11 at 2:08pm
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You have upper hands?

Well......that's better then the alternative.
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post #134 of 181
9/12/11 at 2:09pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

I do admit that I've not held an iPhone and an AMOLED-based phone next to one another for a direct comparison, but I've seen an AMOLED. It looked nicecertainly better than my nearly 4.5 year old iPhonebut not as good as current iPhones and the iPad.

Do I want Apple to eventually move to AMOLED once the panels can be as good and last as long as LED-LCD? Maybe. Only if they use less power and the colors are correct.

Do I want Apple to leapfrog all OLED stuff and just go to QLED? Yes. VERY YES.

Apple do a great job releasing what they do. I was astounded by the Retina display when it first came out. This year, that Sammy screen to me is a stand out leader.
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post #135 of 181
9/12/11 at 2:17pm
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Do I want Apple to eventually move to AMOLED once the panels can be as good and last as long as LED-LCD? Maybe. Only if they use less power and the colors are correct.

Tallest Skill, both those issues were addressed with Super Amoled Plus.

http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20056639-85.html

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post #136 of 181
9/12/11 at 2:20pm
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Tallest Skill, both those issues were addressed with Super Amoled Plus.

http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20056639-85.html

Hmm. Guess I ought to toddle on down to a cell phone store and see one, then.
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post #137 of 181
9/12/11 at 2:36pm
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Originally Posted by djsherly View Post

This is the kind of debate I come to AppleInsider to see. Not ill informed, reactionary, inflammatory, ad hominem.

BTW, clearly you've not actually seen the Samsung Super AMOLED screen with your own eyes. It's gorgeous.

Yet he knows its not better. Apparently nothing about Android phones is better.
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post #138 of 181
9/12/11 at 2:36pm
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Tallest Skill, both those issues were addressed with Super Amoled Plus.

http://www.cnet.com/8301-17918_1-20056639-85.html

Just to keep things honest, this statement is not actually true.

AMOLED panels, even 'super' and 'plus' and super-plus-maximal, are not as bright in direct sunlight as the panels Apple uses, they don't last as long, they don't have the same viewing angles, nor do they have as accurate colour reproduction.

They have a superior contrast, and over saturated colours that make them "pop," and super AMOLED is a real improvement, but it's just not accurate to say they are the equivalent of the panels Apple uses, which are better.
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post #139 of 181
9/12/11 at 2:37pm
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No, the experience. Hardware and software. Something you obviously don't understand.
Enjoy your network that doesn't even cover most cities it's in, much less any of Apple's countries of service
Which looks worse than an S-IPS LED-backlit LCD…
Who gives a flying frick? I don't want to hold a brick to my face. I want a 3.5" screen. It's a PHONE.
Seems the only people who buy those phones are, however.
Oh, look. There's Verizon, Spring, and T-Mobile for the iPhone 5. Pick those instead.
To… what?
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Absolutely agreed. It's better than anything else out there, though.
What 'case' is this?
May as well buy your Samsung phone now, then.
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Gee, I guess NOTHING about Android phones is better and EVERYTHING about Apple phones is better. Very compelling.
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post #140 of 181
9/12/11 at 2:38pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Just to keep things honest, this statement is not actually true.

AMOLED panels, even 'super' and 'plus' and super-plus-maximal, are not as bright in direct sunlight as the panels Apple uses, they don't last as long, they don't have the same viewing angles, nor do they have as accurate colour reproduction.

They have a superior contrast, and over saturated colours that make them "pop," and super AMOLED is a real improvement, but it's just not accurate to say they are the equivalent of the panels Apple uses, which are better.

Which part was incorrect, the colors aren't more accurate or the power draw isn't less with Super Amoled Plus displays vs. the older Super Amoled used on the original Galaxy S and others? I don't think I made any claim comparing the iPhone display quality to the Super Amoled Plus displays, tho that essentially comes down to a personal preference when all is said and done. The two things I did claim, color improvements and reduced power requirements, were correct afaik.

There's an objective comparison of the various screen qualities here:
http://getlatestnewsupdates.blogspot...d-plus-vs.html

EDIT: Since the soon-to-release iPhone5 is just around the corner, it will likely draw comparison to the Galaxy SII released back in February. Anantech has a pretty straightforward review out today. It's apparently not the flawed device some here may think it is.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/s...est-redefined/

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post #141 of 181
9/12/11 at 3:00pm
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BTW, clearly you've not actually seen the Samsung Super AMOLED screen with your own eyes. It's gorgeous.

Subjective, not objective.

HDTV makers have found that people who walk into a Best Buy or Costco judge TVs with brighter colors and screens to be "better" subjectively, so they have a demo mode that basically jacks up the brightness and color saturation for the showroom floor to unnatural levels so your competitors' TV will look duller, even though they may have more accurate color reproduction. The Samsung AMOLED phone screens have always struck me as "gorgeous" in the same sense: because they are overly saturated and contrasty. And don't get me started on pen tile.
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post #142 of 181
9/12/11 at 3:12pm
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And don't get me started on pen tile.

The newer SuperAmoled Plus displays, such as those on the Galaxy SII series, don't use PenTile.

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post #143 of 181
9/12/11 at 3:26pm
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sigh.

have you ever actually worn out your home button? know anybody whose home button got worn out by excessive clicking?

mine stopped working (mostly on double clicks), genius bar replaced it.
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post #144 of 181
9/12/11 at 4:24pm
My suspicion is this is the iPhone 4S. How soon we forget the Chinese cases for the larger screens. A build of 30m is astonishing, if so, as there would be an iPhone 5 as well in this scenario and the 3GS and IP4 would not be discontinued.
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post #145 of 181
9/12/11 at 4:39pm
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With Safari on my Mac using upward of 600MB right now, usually peaking at 1GB, I think you need more RAM on the iPhone. Even 1GB is barely enough.

And iMovie for Mac OS uses more than iMovie on iPhone iOS. Did you have a point to make besides saying that apps with with the same name should be given the same amount RAM regardless of what OS they run on?
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post #146 of 181
9/12/11 at 4:42pm
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Originally Posted by XeneX View Post

Gee, I guess NOTHING about Android phones is better and EVERYTHING about Apple phones is better. Very compelling.

I have a friend with a Samsung Galaxy S II (it's been out for awhile in the UK) and my experience with it was that the display is beautiful, the build quality is good - it's plastic but it seems fairly robust - although not as good as the iPhone 4 (which really sets the bar high in terms of build quality), but Android feels as sluggish and unfinished as it does on every other phone. The faster processors aren't really helping. Android's problem is that it has no GPU acceleration. Honeycomb only added limited GPU acceleration in the animation API. You still notice the lag while scrolling, swiping, etc. The Samsung UI is also fantastically ugly. There still aren't any games on Android that take advantage of the hardware (in my experience the typical Android game looks like a 3GS-era iOS game) and really the only reason to get a high-end Android phone is for games since, as I said, the OS doesn't have GPU acceleration so those dual GPU cores are just going to waste the rest of the time.

If you can live with Android though (and obviously for a lot of people it's "good enough"), it's a great phone. That big display really is stunning.
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9/12/11 at 4:49pm
LAck of GPU acceleration is Androids Achilles heal.
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9/12/11 at 4:52pm
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LAck of GPU acceleration is Androids Achilles heal.

Last I read they were going to take care of that soon.
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9/12/11 at 4:59pm
I don't see a VM which is supposed to be agnostic on underlying hardware can do this. The drivers need to be written for each GPU.
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9/12/11 at 5:03pm
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Last I read they were going to take care of that soon.

Well, Honeycomb was supposed to be the "GPU accelerated" Android because it added a new API for animation, but the rest of the UI is still sluggish. I think "Ice Cream Sandwich" just brings those Honeycomb features to phones. Personally if I was interested in an Android phone, I'd wait for Ice Cream Sandwich and see what that brings before buying. You can't really rely on timely updates with Android and with every update Google seems to promise more than it delivers.
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9/12/11 at 5:11pm
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Why? Because your employer is the sole supplier?

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9/12/11 at 9:25pm
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

Subjective, not objective.

HDTV makers have found that people who walk into a Best Buy or Costco judge TVs with brighter colors and screens to be "better" subjectively, so they have a demo mode that basically jacks up the brightness and color saturation for the showroom floor to unnatural levels so your competitors' TV will look duller, even though they may have more accurate color reproduction. The Samsung AMOLED phone screens have always struck me as "gorgeous" in the same sense: because they are overly saturated and contrasty. And don't get me started on pen tile.

I'm not saying that I detected this in the screen, but this characteristic would be ideal in the environments where and how phones are typically used.
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9/13/11 at 2:19am
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Originally Posted by rdjlexky View Post

The home button (the only button on the stinking phone) only works intermittently and it's quite frustrating because I love my iPhone otherwise. I will probably fork over $200 for another one because no other phones are any better, but I would really love it if Apple found another way to get to the home screen without using this damned button.

This comment by me is genuine: what solution would you suggest?

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9/13/11 at 2:33am
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If they really do refresh the 4 with a 4S and also release a 5, that would explain all the mixes messages we are getting.

I believe the redesigned 4 will be the 4S and will have adge-to-edge glass, a redesigned antenna, an 8MP camera with flash, and an impoved screen in general, an A5 chip and perhaps improved battery life and a world phone. This will be the high-end iPhone.

And the additinal fully new iPhone 5 will match more closely the iPod touch's specs with perhaps a 2 or 3 MP camera as opposed to a 0.7 MP one. And perhaps a world phone also. This will be the cheaper contract free iPhone and Apple which will replace the iPod touch.

I could be wrong, but that's my prediction of how it may pan out.

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9/13/11 at 2:38am
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The iPhone 4 has the best reception of any phone anywhere. But now Apple will make it even better.

Lol..

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9/13/11 at 2:39am
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You don't have a power button on yours? Or volume buttons?

He means the only button on th front.

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9/13/11 at 2:44am
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I like the current design... it is not made of cheap plastic. The Gorilla glass.

It's not Gorila Glass. That's a Trademark of a very specific product make by Corning Incorporated. A company Apple has no dealings with.

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9/13/11 at 2:50am
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Only 512MB, that is disappointing.

The iPhone 5, not the 4S ; )

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post #159 of 181
9/13/11 at 2:53am
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Because there is a MUCH lower chance of a touch button failing over time versus a mechanical button.

You are right, but that doesn't make it a better design. What about accidental touches? What about user control? A touch home button makes sense in some respects, but not on many fronts. I think the solution is to to keep the home button physical, but redesign and better engineer it. It needs to be a much higher quality physical button. Some joy sticks back in the day had buttons that would last forever.

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post #160 of 181
9/13/11 at 3:11am
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The iPhone 5 has a new form factor
The iPhone 5 looks the same as the iPhone 4
The iPhone 5 has a new form factor
The iPhone 5 looks the same as the iPhone 4
The iPhone 5 has a new form factor
The iPhone 5 looks the same as the iPhone 4
The iPhone 5 has a new form factor
The iPhone 5 looks the same as the iPhone 4
The iPhone 5 has a new form factor
The iPhone 5 looks the same as the iPhone 4
The iPhone 5 has a new form factor
The iPhone 5 looks the same as the iPhone 4

The iPhone 5 has a new form factor.
The iPhone 4S looks the same as the iPhone 4.

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