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Samsung this week announced yet another lawsuit against Apple, this time filed in France, accusing Apple of infringing three mobile phone patents with the iPhone and iPad.

The lawsuit was made known after it was announced by Samsung on Monday, but it was originally filed in a court in Paris in July. The first hearing is expected to occur in December, according to Agence France-Presse.

"The complaint focuses on three technology patents, and not on the design of the tablets," a Samsung spokeswoman reportedly said. That's different from Apple's own lawsuit in Germany, in which the iPad maker won a permanent ban against the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Germany last week.

The complaint is said to be related to three Smasung patents covering UMTS, or third-generation high-speed data transfer on cell networks. It targets the iPhone 3G, iPhone 3GS and iPhone 4, as well as the first- and second-generation iPad models with 3G radios.

Unlike Germany and Australia, where Samsung's Galaxy Tab 10.1 has been barred from sale, the touchscreen tablet is currently available in France. Samsung said the device has sold well since it launched there in mid-August.

Samsung's lawsuit is yet another in a growing list of disputes between it and Apple. Just last week, another hearing was held in Japan, where Apple has asked the government to bar sales of Samsung's Galaxy S, Galaxy S II and Galaxy Tab 7.



In late August, a Netherlands judge blocked sales of Samsung's Galaxy smartphones in Europe, while the company has also been forced to delay the launch of its Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Australia after a court there barred its sale.

Apple fired first in the legal battle, accusing Samsung of copying the look and feel of its highly successful iPad and iPhone devices with its first suit filed in April. Samsung quickly shot back, accusing Apple of violating several patents it owns related to power consumption and 3G data transmission with mobile devices.
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Samsung is about to realise that this will quickly backfire as France & Germany are both part of the Eurozone, and the same rules apply.
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Are all these intellectual property battles due to the general decline of the world wide economy, and this is the path to profit? Is this the legal divisions in these companies becoming profit centers? Are these driven by ego? Or is this the new marketing scheme, destroy the competition from entering the game at all. What ever happens to cross licensing?

I mean, what AI has to do now is create a new section just for legal battles. Its kinda boring stuff to read. I mean Corporate legal battles are protracted and dull, and to me, add little to the interest of the site.

I suggest a new sister site: Law and Order : Cupertino ( Follow this with the startup chime sound)
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The ban in the Netherlands was only for imports from outside the EU zone into the Netherlands. The Netherlands functions as the distribution center for Europe. If samsung change the distribution center to France the phones can be imported there and distributed throughout Europe.

Even the German ban only goes for the direct import into Germany from outside the EU. Shops can sell existing stock and restock from a European distributor as long as it not directly from Samsumg.

One of the catches of having open boarders within the EU.

My reading of it anyway.
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Even the German ban only goes for the direct import into Germany from outside the EU. Shops can sell existing stock and restock from a European distributor as long as it not directly from Samsumg.

As long as people keep repeating this, I'll keep repeating:

WHAT SELF-RESPECTING RETAILER IS GOING TO IMPORT A BANNED PRODUCT NO ONE WAS BUYING ANYWAY?!

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Samsung is about to realise that this will quickly backfire as France & Germany are both part of the Eurozone, and the same rules apply.

The Netherlands, France and Germany are all part of the Eurozone which simply means they use the Euro as a common currency.

They are still separate countries with their own laws, the same rules do not apply, otherwise how can you buy Samsung Tabs in France when it's banned in Germany?
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Both companys have cash to go at this a long time.

http://www.ameinfo.com/273386.html

So far, it appears Apple is winning(on lawsuit front). But its only a slim lead (in law suit sense).

IMO, Samsung has a much more global presence than Apple. Apple is/was playing catch up to the likes of Booberry, Nokiasoft, Samsung and HTC. HTC and Samsung ie android has a 'similar style(Im being kind, not looking for a war in this thread)' OS compared to iOS (which kicked the smart phone market in to high gear). So 'anything' Apple can do to slow down the 'near' competitors is a win.

Its an economic war out there folks... glad to see Apple is not taking it lying down. Wish other american companies had the cash and/or cajones to do the same.
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Both companys have cash to go at this a long time.

http://www.ameinfo.com/273386.html

So far, it appears Apple is winning(on lawsuit front). But its only a slim lead (in law suit sense).

IMO, Samsung has a much more global presence than Apple. Apple is/was playing catch up to the likes of Booberry, Nokiasoft, Samsung and HTC. HTC and Samsung ie android has a 'similar style(Im being kind, not looking for a war in this thread)' OS compared to iOS (which kicked the smart phone market in to high gear). So 'anything' Apple can do to slow down the 'near' competitors is a win.

Its an economic war out there folks... glad to see Apple is not taking it lying down. Wish other american companies had the cash and/or cajones to do the same.

Agreed but France worries me a bit. They are often not too adverse to sticking it to English speaking counties given half a chance. Just ask the UK Navy about HMS Sheffield.
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post #9 of 32
I love this show. The suspense is killing me. Hope it will last.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

As long as people keep repeating this, I'll keep repeating:

WHAT SELF-RESPECTING RETAILER IS GOING TO IMPORT A BANNED PRODUCT NO ONE WAS BUYING ANYWAY?!

How very true.
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If Apple wants to live by the lawsuit, they have to expect to die by the lawsuit.
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I think that I will sue apple for making shiny screens on their iDevices. I had owned a glass window that was smooth and shiny like the screen of an iPad.
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I really hope that the upcoming Apple TV is triangular, thick and has orange border, wavy surface, power button on the back in order to avoid lawsuits.
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Originally Posted by Therbo View Post

Samsung is about to realise that this will quickly backfire as France & Germany are both part of the Eurozone, and the same rules apply.

But this lawsuit in France is for a fundamentally different aspect of the devices. It has nothing to do with look-and-feel (the basis of the German lawsuit). The lawsuit in France is based upon patented technological processes.

It is not inconceivable (however it is quite unlikely) that Samsung could be independently successful in pursuing its claims in France, and Apple could be independently successful in pursuing its claims in the Netherlands, and the net result would be that both sides won, and yet neither side actually got what it wanted -- BOTH APPLE AND SAMSUNG could end up permanently banned from selling either of their brands of smartphones in Europe.


What a beautifully screwed up world we live in.
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^ That is what mutual destruction is all about.

Ultimately it hurts Apple more so than Samsung as Samsung doesn't rely as heavily on its mobile division as Apple does on its I products.

So if both go all the way, Apple has more to lose.

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post #16 of 32
So, the question is: Who cares if Pepe la Pew can't buy an iWhatever in France? If he wants one, he'll hop across the channel and get one there. Meanwhile, in non Anglo-hating countries, we all keep buying our iDevices, and be very happy about it. I don't see the problem. ;P
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But this lawsuit in France is for a fundamentally different aspect of the devices. It has nothing to do with look-and-feel (the basis of the German lawsuit). The lawsuit in France is based upon patented technological processes.

It is not inconceivable (however it is quite unlikely) that Samsung could be independently successful in pursuing its claims in France, and Apple could be independently successful in pursuing its claims in the Netherlands, and the net result would be that both sides won, and yet neither side actually got what it wanted -- BOTH APPLE AND SAMSUNG could end up permanently banned from selling either of their brands of smartphones in Europe.


What a beautifully screwed up world we live in.

I doubt the iPhone or iPad would EVER be banned, considering the education sector has stocks of them.
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post

^ That is what mutual destruction is all about.

Ultimately it hurts Apple more so than Samsung as Samsung doesn't rely as heavily on its mobile division as Apple does on its I products.

So if both go all the way, Apple has more to lose.

...and Samsung's 7 billion in annual sales of parts to Apple?
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...and Samsung's 7 billion in annual sales of parts to Apple?

Not exactly a one way street. The iPhone is 25% Samsung, and completely replacing them with equally reliable components from "elsewhere" won't be easy.
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post #20 of 32
I found an interesting article about Community Design. It is a long read, but worth have a look. (beware I am not a fanboy)

http://www.osnews.com/story/25056/Th..._USPTO_Was_Bad

Click the print icon at the end of the article, so that you could see images with article.
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Originally Posted by 801 View Post

Are all these intellectual property battles due to the general decline of the world wide economy, and this is the path to profit? Is this the legal divisions in these companies becoming profit centers?

Companies lacking success in other areas begin to focus on monetizing their "intellectual property" asetts. Nothing to do with the economy... it is more like chasing ambulances. Eventually the MAD should bring about some level of patent reform, or countries that don't respect others' IP laws will become the innovators.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

As long as people keep repeating this, I'll keep repeating:

WHAT SELF-RESPECTING RETAILER IS GOING TO IMPORT A BANNED PRODUCT NO ONE WAS BUYING ANYWAY?!

People that don't want to buy an overpriced brand name to be hip and cool.

Is that all your life amounts to? Buying Apple products to be hip and cool among your coffee drinking screenwriters/graphic designers/artist buddies at Starbucks?

Keep deluding yourself that no one wants a Galaxy Tab.
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People that don't want to buy an overpriced brand name to be hip and cool.

Then why aren't any other tablets selling? Why are companies going under and shutting down entire subsections because of poor tablets sales?

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Is that all your life amounts to? Buying Apple products to be hip and cool among your coffee drinking screenwriters/graphic designers/artist buddies at Starbucks?

Is this all your life amounts to? Wasting time posting on forums about products you hate and can't even come up with an argument against that contains an ounce of truth?

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Keep deluding yourself that no one wants a Galaxy Tab.

Keep deluding yourself that Galaxy Tab is the guiding light that will be the first to leapfrog the iPad and take 90% marketshare.

Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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Originally Posted by Ryuuken View Post

People that don't want to buy an overpriced brand name to be hip and cool.

Is that all your life amounts to? Buying Apple products to be hip and cool among your coffee drinking screenwriters/graphic designers/artist buddies at Starbucks?

Keep deluding yourself that no one wants a Galaxy Tab.

Looking at your posts you hate Apple everyone that owns anything from them. Spreading hate like that is unhealthy everyone can spot when a persons thoughts are that twisted by hate. You don't need to do this to yourself for no good.
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Looking at your posts you hate Apple everyone that owns anything from them. Spreading hate like that is unhealthy everyone can spot when a persons thoughts are that twisted by hate. You don't need to do this to yourself for no good.

I think that he was just replying to a fanboy comment posted by Tallest Skil, and that he is not what you think.
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I think that he was just replying to a fanboy comment posted by Tallest Skil, and that he is not what you think.

You don't fight "fanboy" (how, anyway?) with being a worse fanboy in the other direction.

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There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

You don't fight "fanboy" (how, anyway?) with being a worse fanboy in the other direction.

I have nothing against you. But your comment was hilarious.

http://www.osnews.com/print/25056/Th..._USPTO_Was_Bad

Have you read this? Tell me what you think

Dont forget to click print icon at the end of the article to see images as well as the article.
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There are no saints in the world of business. Anyone who believes that any company has anything in mind other than increasing their profits by any means is truly delusional.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CW0DUg63lqU
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I have nothing against you. But your comment was hilarious.

http://www.osnews.com/print/25056/Th..._USPTO_Was_Bad

Have you read this? Tell me what you think

Dont forget to click print icon at the end of the article to see images as well as the article.

I suspect that the concept of community design was originally implemented to prevent the copying of products with the intent to piggyback another company's innovation and success. A reasonable goal, and pretty much the basis of many of Apple's legitimate claims against Samsung. So it is indeed unfortunate that it seems to have spiralled out of control, to the extent that the only current successful invocation of it in this area (Germany) doesn't even relate to the obvious copying of products that has occurred.
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Apple uses lies to gain publicity and brainwash the public to think they are innovators or all this technology that samsung and others had for years. Samsung had its first tablet without keyboard or buttons in 2006.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

As long as people keep repeating this, I'll keep repeating:

WHAT SELF-RESPECTING RETAILER IS GOING TO IMPORT A BANNED PRODUCT NO ONE WAS BUYING ANYWAY?!

Is that why tmobile and verizon are asking the court to hold off on temporary injunction of the galaxy? Because their sales will not be affected? Anyone who is not stupid enought to buy into apple's media brainwashing marketing strategy knows Samsung devices are much better quality. Every ipad iphone user is wowed by the clarity and lightness of the samsung galaXY devices. Basically, apple cannot win in a fair competition because their products are less than par, which is proven by their unreasonable lawsuits which basically says 'APPLE WILL SUE YOU IF YOU MAKE A PHONE OR COMPUTER BECAUSE IT LOOKS AND FEELS LIKE ONE!' When did these patents get so cryptic anyway? Think the Europeans need to stop using hallucinogens...
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Anyone who is not stupid enought to buy into apple's media brainwashing marketing strategy knows Samsung devices are much better quality.

Which explains why Apple always gets top marks in quality, user satisfaction, brand retention rate, device retention rate, and sales.

So yeah, you're completely wrong in every way imaginable.

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Every ipad iphone user is wowed by the clarity and lightness of the samsung galaXY devices

Except me, apparently. Who hates them. And isn't really impressed.

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Basically, apple cannot win in a fair competition because their products are less than par

Explaining why a two and a quarter year old phone sells better than anything Samsung has ever made, even brand new.

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Think the Europeans need to stop using hallucinogens...

And I think you need to stop your foolish troll session.

Originally Posted by Slurpy

There's just a TINY chance that Apple will also be able to figure out payments. Oh wait, they did already… …and you’re already fucked.

 

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