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Exclusive: With Intel's next-generation Core i-Series mobile platform not expected until the second quarter of 2012, Apple is reportedly preparing a refresh of its professional notebook line ahead of the holiday shopping season to better bridge the gap, AppleInsider has been told.

According to people with proven insight into Apple's future product plans, the late-2011 MacBook Pro refresh will deliver marginal speed bumps to the notebooks' Core i-Series of Sandy Bridge processors but will otherwise introduce no material changes over the existing models.*

While precise timing for the update may change, those same people say the Mac maker currently anticipates an introduction of the refreshed line before the end of the month, possibly following the close of the company's Back-to-School promotion, which ends on September 20th.

Word of the new models comes just one week after Intel quietly refreshed its Sandy Bridge lineup of processors, adding four new Core i7 chips suited for adoption by the MacBook Pro in addition to slashing prices on some other chips, while phasing out a handful of others.

In particular, the chipmaker introduced new 2.4GHz, 2.5GHz and 2.7GHz quad-core Core i7 processors that could replace the 2.0GHz, 2.2GHz and 2.3GHz versions offered in the current 15- and 17-inch MacBook Pros, in addition to a 2.8GHz dual-core Core i7 that could serve as an upgrade path for the current 2.7GHz 13-inch MacBook Pro.

Intel introduced 4 new Core i7 mobile chips this month.

As for the entry-level 13-inch MacBook Pro, Intel continues to list a couple of Core i5 chips at speeds of 2.5GHz to 2.6GHz that Apple could elect to use to bump 2.3GHz Core i5 MacBook Pro for little to no cost increase. *

The chips above are also well-suited for the entry-level Core i5 MacBook Pro.

In addition to these chips, which are listed on Intel's latest price sheet [PDF] dated September 4th, Apple may have discounted access to handful of older Core i5 and Core i7 chips that were introduced early this year, such as the 2.1GHz and 2.3GHz quad-core Core i7 models.

Although the new models may come as somewhat of a surprise for industry watchers given that there has been no indication that Apple is drawing down inventories of existing models, the refresh is likely geared towards assuring the Mac maker's top-selling notebook family remains competitive in the market until Intel releases its next-generation Ivy Bridge platform at some point in 2012.

Ivy Bridge was originally slated to debut in late 2011, but leaked documents from Intel surfaced in May and revealed that the next-generation processors are slated to arrive at some point in the first half of 2012. The Ivy Bridge chips are now scheduled to become available at some point in March or April of next year.

This week, Intel began to share details on its 2012 Ivy Bridge lineup, promising up to 60 percent faster performance with its integrated graphics. All mobile versions of the chips bound for Apple's next MacBook Pros will sport Intel's GT2 GPUs, known as HD Graphics 3000.



The MacBook Pro remains the bread and butter of Apple's mostly mobile Mac business, even as the newer, thin-and-light MacBook Air gains in sales. Apple's MacBook Pros are the only notebooks offered by the company that still offer discrete graphics, making them the only option for video professionals and power users on the go.

In addition, the MacBook Pro remains the only Apple notebook with screen sizes larger than 13-inches. While the MacBook Air (and now defunct white MacBook) max out at 13-inches, the MacBook Pro still comes in 15- and 17-inch screen sizes, with faster CPUs and graphics to accompany the greater screen real estate.



Apple last updated its MacBook Pro lineup in February, giving its entry-level 13-inch models dual-core Sandy Bridge Core i5 and i7 chips at speeds of 2.3GHz and 2.7Ghz. The higher-end 15- and 17-inch models gained quad-core Sandy Bridge Core i7 chips at speeds of up to 2.3Ghz.

The new notebooks, which are depicted in the chart above, were also upgraded to add Apple's new high-speed Thunderbolt data and video port. All of the early 2011 MacBook Pros sport discrete AMD graphics processors.
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Because i ordered the top of line MBP on Sunday this was a given.
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Holding out for an iMac built for Lion. Last one is getting a little stale. Or at least a keyboard/touchpad combination, MacBook style.
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This shouldnt surprise anybody. Everything is in place for a bump, I pretty much detailed this in another thread a couple of days ago. To be honest though I was thinking the end of October.
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I really hope they improve the heat patterns. When I use skype, it sounds like the laptop is about to take off.
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AI is running out of rumors to write about so now we get speculation. If correct you will read about accuracy of reporting. If not correct you'll never read another work about a MBP by year's end.
50/50 guess. An equally good a chance to be right or wrong.
I'm outta here.
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This would not be much of a bump, but the current MBP's would drop in price by at least a couple of hundred dollars. making them an excellent deal.

Also, there is $500 price difference between the 2.5 Quad i7 and the 2.7 Quad i7. I doubt if Apple will offer the 2.7 as a BTO upgrade.
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I LOVE my Early 2011 13" MBP 2.3GHZ - it is the fastest laptop I have ever owned and the quality of construction is unsurpassed. Yes there was a moment where the new 13" MBA with the i5 processor was calling my name - but for $200 I can get 8GB memory and a 120GB SSD - That is the way I'm going before I trade up or sideways or whatever.... If you have a chance to pick one up - go for it - I got mine at Microcenter for $999 - I don't know if they have the same deal - So, until they radically change the MBP - I am a happy hoser.
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Sigh. I was holding out for a new 15" form factor Pro (likely sans ODD, possibly with SSD + HDD and maybe a pound lighter + whatever other sweetness) in the 1st Q of 2012, but looks not to be in the cards until Summer. Too long - and since I usually keep hardware for 4-6 years, I want the next real iteration, not drop the same amount on what I'm giving odds is the last build of the old shell.

So as a more affordable bridge ('cos mine's out), might as well pounce on the first refurb'd 13" current model Air I can find - or as Apple Green noted above, wait for a price drop on refurbed early 2011 MBP's - and "lease" one or the other for a year (i.e., buy now and sell it for a decent price in late 2012) when the Ivy Bridge pros come out.

(BTW, you can now readily find current refurb'd iPad 2's on the store site now, but if there are any 2011 Airs, they're gone in no time. Unless someone else knows of a supply....??)

Won't meet all my needs for mobile speeds, views and feeds for the next x years, but will get me a) outta the weeds, and b) into the iCloud....

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Holding out for an iMac built for Lion. Last one is getting a little stale. Or at least a keyboard/touchpad combination, MacBook style.

I'm loving my late 2009 quad i7 iMac, but I'm holding out for an iMac that uses the MBA-style SSD setup. I really think that is where Apple is going to go. TB external drives and internal SSD drives ala MBA. That will make for super-thin iMacs and only the CPU/GPU will be the last things to deal with heat dissipation.

My current iMac has Lion on it. Sure it's not "built" for Lion, but it seems pretty solid. Are you thinking there's a problem with upgraded macs vs. mac's coming out of factory pre-installed with Lion?

My 6-week old MBA came with Lion installed and it still is a little quirky.
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Come on, give the MBP a real refresh already. It's had the same stupid glass-screen design forever.

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"All of the early 2011 MacBook Pros sport discrete AMD graphics processors."

Except the 13" model, which uses Intel integrated graphics. Does no one proof read anymore?

And this is fine with me, because I was looking to trade up my 2009 MBP to a 2011 model in the next month anyway.
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Refresh the Mac Pro design already...

Don't refresh the MBP and force me to use Lion...ugh...you need to fix Lion first.
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The 13" Macbook Pro is looking weak. Yes, it's the only Pro Macbook with integrated graphics - but with a 1280x800 screen, it's at lower resolution than the 13" Macbook Air, and with even fewer pixels than the 11" Air. The 13" Air appears better value - same HD graphics, higher-res screen.

Bumping the 13" and 15" Pro screensizes up - to 1440x900 (13") and 1680x1050 (15", already available as an option) has to be done.
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Come on, give the MBP a real refresh already. It's had the same stupid glass-screen design forever.

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I predict a huge event in SF to announce this--and only this--new MBP. The reason is that Tim Cook wants to do a keynote dry run, make sure his slides are in order and that his gray short-sleeve turtleneck, Lee jeans and Adidas running shoes are in shimmering condition.
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Refresh the Mac Pro design already

For what purpose?

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Don't refresh the MBP and force me to use Lion...ugh...you need to fix Lion first.

What's "broken"?

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Refresh the Mac Pro design already...

Don't refresh the MBP and force me to use Lion...ugh...you need to fix Lion first.

I've been using Lion since the day it launched, and there's absolutely nothing wrong with it. I could never go back to SL. It's their best selling OS yet and has garnered almost universal positive reviews. Don't make blanket statements. It's a new OS so obviously doesn't have 2 years of updates, but for most it seems to run just fine. Maybe Apple should keep selling the last 5 iterations of its OS, so it doesnt 'force you' to use its latest one. Or, maybe they should give you an option of what OS to have pre-installed on their new machines? I'm sure theres a few that still prefer OS9.

RIdiculous.
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Hmm somehow I had missed the news back in May about Ivy Bridge being delayed till March or April. That really sucks. My wife and I were all set to take the plunge and switch over to Macs w/MBPs in February, but I guess we can hold off on our tax return for a bit longer and buy the new Ivy Bridge ones.
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I just bought an MBP. I don't want any refresh now.
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I really hope they improve the heat patterns. When I use skype, it sounds like the laptop is about to take off.

That is the fault of Skype, as it uses a lot of CPU power for video chatting.
As the newer CPUs use the same TDP with just a slightly faster frequency, it will probably stay the same, unless Skype improves their code.

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What's "broken"?

Spaces and Exposé for example, but not many people (majority) seem to be missing it. But I can't live without Spaces, I have twelve of them, four columns and three rows. How should I cram that into 12 tiny shite icons on the top of the stupid screen, especially with ten to 20 applications open?

PS: I tried Lion for a month on my home iMac with my usual uses and it is just not for me. There will always be some minority not really liking some progress, but I never thought I would be part of such minority.
MC is still a bit buggy too on the version I used, which was just 10.7.0, I may try again when 10.7.5 or .6 arrives.

PPS: Which is the current Lion version - 10.7.1?



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I just bought an MBP. I don't want any refresh now.

Your MBP will not stop working, you know? Or is that the longing to have the newest and fastest MBP in your hands, even if you don't might need it and especially since this will only be a slight CPU speed update, which is hardly noticeable for every day tasks like calculating the likes.
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I'm loving my late 2009 quad i7 iMac, but I'm holding out for an iMac that uses the MBA-style SSD setup. I really think that is where Apple is going to go. TB external drives and internal SSD drives ala MBA. That will make for super-thin iMacs and only the CPU/GPU will be the last things to deal with heat dissipation.

My current iMac has Lion on it. Sure it's not "built" for Lion, but it seems pretty solid. Are you thinking there's a problem with upgraded macs vs. mac's coming out of factory pre-installed with Lion?

My 6-week old MBA came with Lion installed and it still is a little quirky.

Drool. I like your thinking.

Guess I was thinking more in terms of the inputting. Maybe even some touchscreen capability, but I'm not convinced that's a good thing in a desktop machine. I want them to amaze me with something very new, very fresh, that makes gesture magic more integrated into the desktop experience without giving you tired arms. If I knew what would scratch my itch I'd be Apple.
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Refresh the Mac Pro design already...

Don't refresh the MBP and force me to use Lion...ugh...you need to fix Lion first.

Mac Pros are dead - just wait and see
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Anyone think USB 3.0 will be in the mix on this one?
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For what purpose?



What's "broken"?

Lion server has so many problems with it - it is almost as bad as FCP - except they have the functionality - it just doesn't work right
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AI is running out of rumors to write about so now we get speculation. If correct you will read about accuracy of reporting. If not correct you'll never read another work about a MBP by year's end.
50/50 guess. An equally good a chance to be right or wrong.
I'm outta here.

Hit the nail on the head
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I may try again when 10.7.5 or .6 arrives.

Don't bother. You obviously don't give a crap about Lion, so just buy a Windows 8 machine.

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Mac Pros are dead - just wait and see

Two more years.

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Lion server has so many problems with it

"My car has problems."

"What's wrong with it?"

"It has problems."

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I want a new case design....
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I LOVE my Early 2011 13" MBP 2.3GHZ - it is the fastest laptop I have ever owned and the quality of construction is unsurpassed. Yes there was a moment where the new 13" MBA with the i5 processor was calling my name - but for $200 I can get 8GB memory and a 120GB SSD - That is the way I'm going before I trade up or sideways or whatever.... If you have a chance to pick one up - go for it - I got mine at Microcenter for $999 - I don't know if they have the same deal - So, until they radically change the MBP - I am a happy hoser.

Now I no the subject is MacBooks but this kinda applies across the line. I purchased an iMac (2011) that was maxed out at 3.4, 8G RAM (2@4ea), 6970 Radeon with 2048, a 1TB internal and a 256 SSD, etc

What I am wondering is how people are optimizing the use between the SSD and the HD. My first approach was to make sure all applications are on the SSD and all my data and another archives etc are on the HD. Seem reasonable but as I am a developer with 1.6 million files total I wonder if there is a better way to split that. I hit a bunch of the tiny files on the hard drive when doing various builds and although the vast majority never get erased (except for when Apple is send out new SDK one after another).

Is anyone aware of strategies for dividing my mass storage to get the best performance and also a good long life out of the SSD which I have no desire to replace long before anything else is going bad.

Any thoughts would be appreciated. Feel free to email me directly .

I would thing whatever is learned would tend to apply to laptops, all-in-ones, and pros, as long as they have a combo HD/SSD setup.
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Don't bother. You obviously don't give a crap about Lion, so just buy a Windows 8 machine.

Or just stick with 10.6.8, which a lot of people are doing until 10.7.2 is officially rolled out. Lion was a sack of garbage for me until this latest build of 10.7.2. I'm thrilled that it's been sunshine, unicorns and skittles for other people, but guess what: I don't give two sh*ts about other peoples' laptops when my own is constantly stuck in a crash/reboot cycle anytime I try to run an app it doesn't like. Yes, I'm aware that a large part of this is due to the apps themselves not being properly updated for Lion, but I seem to recall the media and the Apple community giving Vista 8 different kinds of hell for crashes that were mostly due to 3rd party drivers and not the OS itself.

Being a developer for both platforms, I can tell you with all honesty and experience that both can be a nightmare to work with at times, but I beta'd the hell out of my two apps on Lion DP4 before it went GM, and transitioning from Leopard to Snow Leopard was a breeze compared to SL to Lion. I have every confidence in their developers, and like I said, the latest build of 10.7.2 seems to have cured a lot of issues I've had, but disparaging others for holding off on upgrading until those bugs have been worked out is both arrogant and pathetic. I'm sorry that you can't deal with others not having the blissful relationship with a product you seem to, but get over yourself.
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Or just stick with 10.6.8, which a lot of people are doing until 10.7.2 is officially rolled out. Lion was a sack of garbage for me until this latest build of 10.7.2.



You know.... if you look back at at the 10.X.1 releases, they've all been quite buggy. Some have just shaped up faster than others. Even if they were released with minimal bugginess, it's still not a guarantee that every bit of software you need will be updated on the day it launches.


Regarding the 2.5 vs 2.7 listed a little earlier in the thread, anyone know if there's anything special about the top one or if it's just clocked marginally higher? It seems like a big price difference if the clock speed is the only difference.
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While precise timing for the update may change, those same people say the Mac maker currently anticipates an introduction of the refreshed line before the end of the month, possible following the close of the company's Back-to-School promotion, which ends on September 20th.

Your typo of the day...
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I have sources too. My sources actually are saying more like November though... Lets see which is right (if any!).
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Mac Pros are dead - just wait and see

Joke.
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Consider:
  1. RAM prices falling like a rock.
  2. Intel has new processors that supersede the current ones.
  3. HD makers have introduced new tech lowering the number of platters in a disk drive for a given storage volume. This means either cheaper storage or more storage.
  4. The display industry is getting ready for retina resolution monitors.
  5. Battery technology continues to improve at a modest rate.
  6. Momentum!!! Even a minor bump can help Apple keep that momentum going.

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AI is running out of rumors to write about so now we get speculation. If correct you will read about accuracy of reporting. If not correct you'll never read another work about a MBP by year's end.

You must be a Democrat, you confuse rumors with news. Apple insider is clearly reporting a rumor here.
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Garbage! An educated evaluation of the info we have would tip those percentages far closer to an update in the next two months.
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This would not be much of a bump, but the current MBP's would drop in price by at least a couple of hundred dollars. making them an excellent deal.

Also, there is $500 price difference between the 2.5 Quad i7 and the 2.7 Quad i7. I doubt if Apple will offer the 2.7 as a BTO upgrade.

Why would they drop in price by $200? These chips seem to be the exact same price.

The 2.7GHz as you say is $500 more expensive as it's an extreme model, which Apple doesn't use.

They can drop the price by $100 by throwing out the optical drive and offering a 13" model with a dedicated GPU. I don't expect a chassis redesign before Ivy Bridge, which is meant to cut the CPU TDP in half.
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I strongly believe Apple will do what they did with the Air last year and this year: release a great new design with existing chips only to update it a few months later with state of the art chips.

It all adds up:

1. new 15" Macbook Air spotted this Summer (which is actually the new 15" Macbook Pro)
2. a modest upgrade of the intel chips
3. the start of the holiday season

It would be a fitting tribute to Steve Jobs who might not be around this time next year
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I strongly believe Apple will do what they did with the Air last year and this year: release a great new design with existing chips only to update it a few months later with state of the art chips.

It all adds up:

1. new 15" Macbook Air spotted this Summer (which is actually the new 15" Macbook Pro)
2. a modest upgrade of the intel chips
3. the start of the holiday season

It would be a fitting tribute to Steve Jobs who might not be around this time next year

Hopefully they keep the backlit keyboard
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I really hope they improve the heat patterns. When I use skype, it sounds like the laptop is about to take off.

Then ask Microsoft Skype to fix their absurdly CPU-intensive software?

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How is that a surprise if you talk about it? Apple should burn AI writers in sharp chilli-powdered sticks for this...

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