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An alleged fifth-generation iPhone part being sold by a Chinese website has cast doubt on rumors that the device will feature an expanded home button design.

The iPhone 5 Home Button Flex Cable Ribbon Circuit, found by How To Arena, appears to indicate that the home button of the next-generation iPhone will have a similar shape and size as the one found on previous iPhone models.

The part, currently selling for $6.68, is said to be compatible with iPhone 5 (5th generation) and it is described as a high quality and original home button flex cable for iPhone 5, not include [sic] home button.

Parts supplier China Better claims to also have access to volume button, speaker earpiece module, power button, mute switch, battery, audio jack, camera lens and proximity light sensor parts for Apple's next iPhone. The company's proximity sensor part appears identical to an alleged iPhone 5 part that surfaced on another Chinese site in August.

Some reports had suggested in the past that Apple may change the design of the home button by removing it altogether or replacing the physical button with a multi-touch version.



Third-party case designs and other unconfirmed images then implied that Apple will not remove the button, instead modifying its overall shape in order to accommodate a larger display and accommodate gesture-based controls.

Various purported parts of the upcoming iPhone model have been leaked recently, with some of the parts marked as N94 prototypes. References to the N94 code name, already spotted in Apples SDK in the past, were recently found inside iOS 5 beta 7, revealing that the company has been granted an FCC ID for at least one new iPhone model.

Numerous reports suggest that Apple will launch its next-gen iPhone in early to mid-October, but it is not yet clear how many new distinct iPhone models the company is set to unveil at its fall media event. Sources speculated in the past that Apple will introduce a cheaper, entry-level iPhone 4S this year, as well as a high-end iPhone 5 version.
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Unsurprising.

The circle is a better shape than an oval, at least in aesthetic terms. And we know how much Steve cares about aesthetics. An oval home button would have to feature considerably more functionality than an circular button, but that's not really feasible. And none of this "gesture swiping" B.S. If you need gestures, you'd do it on the touch panel screen, not on some tiny oval button.

This whole oval home button rumor is completely retarded.
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Dammit. I was hoping they would change it to an oval so the fandroids can point and say, "haha! apple needs to copy samsung because they are copyists and we knew it all along, haha!"

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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

Unsurprising.

The circle is a better shape than an oval, at least in aesthetic terms. And we know how much Steve cares about aesthetics. An oval home button would have to feature considerably more functionality than an circular button, but that's not really feasible. And none of this "gesture swiping" B.S. If you need gestures, you'd do it on the touch panel screen, not on some tiny oval button.

This whole oval home button rumor is completely retarded.

100% agree. It's not like there's enough space on the home button (or even the entire bottom panel) for gestures, and it's nice to have a hardware button that can be used for force-restarts, screenshots, etc.

I'd say more, but you took the words right out of my mouth...
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Originally Posted by Suddenly Newton View Post

Dammit. I was hoping they would change it to an oval so the fandroids can point and say, "haha! apple needs to copy samsung because they are copyists and we knew it all along, haha!"

Uhm.... wouldn't it be more appropriate to label them "Samdroids"???
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As long as the button does bust up after 6 months of heavy use then I'm fine with the existing round shape.
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Originally Posted by sflocal View Post

Uhm.... wouldn't it be more appropriate to label them "Samdroids"???

I personally can't wait for the Samsung Iphone. (See, it's completely different because the "I" is capitalized and the "p" is lower case. Completely innovative and original!!)
post #8 of 40
The home button is not changing or disappearing. Some people get too far ahead of themselves when considering: #1 what Apple would do #2 what customers actually need #3 what makes sense.
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Great, now we have to listen to those few people complain about how the button breaks for the next few months.
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Originally Posted by fizzmaster View Post

Great, now we have to listen to those few people complain about how the button breaks for the next few months.

What are those people doing that breaks their Home Button? Punching the iPhone isn't standard use.

I use my iPhone daily and have for the past 4.5 years. My Home Button works like Day One 2007
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They're not changing anything apparently....lol
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Originally Posted by punkrocker27ka View Post

They're not changing anything apparently....lol

Well, the A5 alone is enough for me. Have you compared an iPad vs. iPad 2 side by side, in terms of 3D performance? Besides, my 3GS contract is about to expire
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Originally Posted by ranReloaded View Post

Well, the A5 alone is enough for me. Have you compared an iPad vs. iPad 2 side by side, in terms of 3D performance? Besides, my 3GS contract is about to expire

But they can do so much better than just the chip. And its been a year and a half almost.
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Oh well, looks like we've all been waiting for a long time to reap few rewards IF this story is true.
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Why don't they just make an iPhone with more buttons on it? It would be really nice to have a cancel button, a play/pause button (maybe next/back buttons?), and a hang up button. Trying to program 3 or more functions into one single button is not only unintuitive but more difficult for the user. This is one of the few things stopping me and probably a lot of other people from buying an iPhone.
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Originally Posted by dhinged View Post

Why don't they just make an iPhone with more buttons on it?

Why don't they make a car with five steering wheels?

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This is one of the few things stopping me and probably a lot of other people from buying an iPhone.

If one button is too complex for you, that's why Android exists. Mandatory 4 buttons.

Seriously, a PLAY button? What is this, my mom's original Walkman from '79?
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I agree with those that say 1 1/2 years for a new chip is too long to wait.

Personally, I'm hoping for 2 seperate phones, an "entry level" iPhone 4 (or 4S I guess) and a newer more capable iPhone 5.

It doesn't make sense to take a year and a half to put a new camera and a faster processor in the same iPhone body.

Heck - they did just that in less time with the iPad 2.
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Originally Posted by bogopogo View Post

I agree with those that say 1 1/2 years for a new chip is too long to wait.

Personally, I'm hoping for 2 seperate phones, an "entry level" iPhone 4 (or 4S I guess) and a newer more capable iPhone 5.

It doesn't make sense to take a year and a half to put a new camera and a faster processor in the same iPhone body.

Heck - they did just that in less time with the iPad 2.

I have to agree.

If it was just a minor upgrade like the 3gs was we would have seen this thing back in June. I'm holding out hope for a re-design.
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I was hoping they'd change it because frankly the home button is the worst thing about the iPhone and iPad. I can't understand Apple's logic with that button. The iPhone and iPad are so advanced, then they have the most primitive button functionality on front. It's always the first thing to go on Apple iDevices. I have plenty of friends with non responsive home buttons. You shouldn't need to cover them with cases to keep them going. Bring on the capacitive home strip I say.
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If they don't radically change the Home Button shape each year I'll have no reason to update my iPhone¬°


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Originally Posted by jivemaster View Post

I was hoping they'd change it because frankly the home button is the worst thing about the iPhone and iPad. I can't understand Apple's logic with that button. The iPhone and iPad are so advanced, then they have the most primitive button functionality on front. It's always the first thing to go on Apple iDevices. I have plenty of friends with non responsive home buttons. You shouldn't need to cover them with cases to keep them going. Bring on the capacitive home strip I say.

1) What a horrible idea.

2) It's possible a button is defective. If that happens take it to an Apple Store to get a new machine.
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post #21 of 40
Oh great, now we get to experience all the whining and bitching about the home button being the show stopper that will force someone to switch to Android.
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Originally Posted by cvaldes1831 View Post

Unsurprising.

The circle is a better shape than an oval, at least in aesthetic terms. And we know how much Steve cares about aesthetics. An oval home button would have to feature considerably more functionality than an circular button, but that's not really feasible. And none of this "gesture swiping" B.S. If you need gestures, you'd do it on the touch panel screen, not on some tiny oval button.

This whole oval home button rumor is completely retarded.


Think about this though........if you had a slightly enlarged and oval home button, you could have multitouch function with it. For example, instead of having to double click the home button to pull up the multitask menu bar, you could just swipe left/right to go to the next open application. This is pretty much how the new iOS 5 software works on my iPad 2. I use 4 or 5 fingers and just swipe the screen to go to my open apps. It's much easier and quicker. I hope this report is wrong and they do go with the oval button. However, it won't be a deal breaker..........it would just be nice.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

What are those people doing that breaks their Home Button? Punching the iPhone isn't standard use.

I use my iPhone daily and have for the past 4.5 years. My Home Button works like Day One 2007

Probably jacking around with the phone. My 3G home button still works just fine, and that is even considering it is only used by my toddler to play games. My wifes home button however works only about 80% of the time, but I had to change the screen out because she cracked it once. I think the changed screen/opening the phones guts has something to do with the button not responding. Probably what has happened with some of these users. With some, I bet they just got a bad part. It happens.
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Originally Posted by ranReloaded View Post

Well, the A5 alone is enough for me. Have you compared an iPad vs. iPad 2 side by side, in terms of 3D performance? Besides, my 3GS contract is about to expire

I haven't, but I'm interested to see if the processor is that much faster in the phone. At least I will be able to go into the store and use a 4 and the new 5 side by side and see if it is noticeably faster.
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Originally Posted by dhinged View Post

Why don't they just make an iPhone with more buttons on it? It would be really nice to have a cancel button, a play/pause button (maybe next/back buttons?), and a hang up button. Trying to program 3 or more functions into one single button is not only unintuitive but more difficult for the user. This is one of the few things stopping me and probably a lot of other people from buying an iPhone.

lock the phone while listening, double press the home button, and you have all those button on your nice smooth touch screen.

Problem solved, enjoy your new iPhone
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Why don't they just make an iPhone with more buttons on it? It would be really nice to have a cancel button, a play/pause button (maybe next/back buttons?), and a hang up button.

Way too complicated for Grandma.


I used to have a smartphone with a full keyboard. I'd hand ot to people and they would freak, saying "I don't know haw to use this", even though it had the regular green and red phone buttons and regular number buttons.

Apple knew that.

So they designed the iPhone to have only one button on the face. That way, the technophobes would not get freaked. They could push the one button, and be led to the unlock slider, and get the idea that even they could use the thing without having to hurt their brain.

Apple will keep the one button. It is now emblematic of their entire design philosophy: so easy, even YOU can do it.
post #27 of 40
This is the iPhone 4S home button, not the iPhone 5 home button?
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

What are those people doing that breaks their Home Button? Punching the iPhone isn't standard use.

I use my iPhone daily and have for the past 4.5 years. My Home Button works like Day One 2007

Well mine isn't broken, as in non-functional, but after about a year's worth of use, when I click the Home button, it seems to get "confused" between double click and single click. The multi-tasker screen comes up when I didn't intend it to or it switches to the Search screen or something else I didn't intend it to do. I've noticed this with every one of my iPhones after a year or so. I just figured it was wear and tear.
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Originally Posted by stickyd View Post

Think about this though........if you had a slightly enlarged and oval home button, you could have multitouch function with it. For example, instead of having to double click the home button to pull up the multitask menu bar, you could just swipe left/right to go to the next open application. This is pretty much how the new iOS 5 software works on my iPad 2. I use 4 or 5 fingers and just swipe the screen to go to my open apps. It's much easier and quicker. I hope this report is wrong and they do go with the oval button. However, it won't be a deal breaker..........it would just be nice.

For the record, I personally want a redesigned iPhone5, as I am not a big fan of the iPhone 4. And with that in mind, I have a question for anyone wanting a "gesture button". You are basically saying that the primary function of this gesture button/area would be to swipe between open apps as a quick app switcher, right?

If this is correct, then which of these two options would make the most sense?

1. Re-engineering a new size and shape home button with capacitive touch properties that would require re-engineering a new phone enclosure to accommodate the new home button so that it can respond to swipes for switching between apps...

or...

2. Use the existing touch screen on the existing device and enable software to use multi-finger swipes to switch between apps?


Personally I think Apple should improve app switching and take the work load off of double-clicking the home button, but it seems like option 2 above would be a much better choice all the way around.
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Originally Posted by stickyd View Post

Think about this though........if you had a slightly enlarged and oval home button, you could have multitouch function with it. For example, instead of having to double click the home button to pull up the multitask menu bar, you could just swipe left/right to go to the next open application. This is pretty much how the new iOS 5 software works on my iPad 2. I use 4 or 5 fingers and just swipe the screen to go to my open apps. It's much easier and quicker. I hope this report is wrong and they do go with the oval button. However, it won't be a deal breaker..........it would just be nice.

And what happens when something accidentally brushes that button, mmm?

Again, bad UI, bad human input design.
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Originally Posted by dhinged View Post

Why don't they just make an iPhone with more buttons on it? It would be really nice to have a cancel button, a play/pause button (maybe next/back buttons?), and a hang up button. Trying to program 3 or more functions into one single button is not only unintuitive but more difficult for the user. This is one of the few things stopping me and probably a lot of other people from buying an iPhone.

Tons of buttons is un-Steve.

Steve favors simple, elegant, and thin. That's his aesthetic and Apple's too. If you don't understand that, you fundamentally don't understand Steve Jobs and Apple.
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

What are those people doing that breaks their Home Button? Punching the iPhone isn't standard use.

I use my iPhone daily and have for the past 4.5 years. My Home Button works like Day One 2007

My guess would be they are putting it in their pockets quite a bit. I rarely put my iPhone 4 in my pocket but when I do I notice all the lint that collects near the 30 pin connector on the white Apple bumper. It could be that grime, dirt, dust, and lint are collecting or getting in there and possibly that gunk makes it's way to the home button and causes issues.

Or maybe they have dropped it one to many times.
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My guess would be they are putting it in their pockets quite a bit. I rarely put my iPhone 4 in my pocket but when I do I notice all the lint that collects near the 30 pin connector on the white Apple bumper. It could be that grime, dirt, dust, and lint are collecting or getting in there and possibly that gunk makes it's way to the home button and causes issues.

Or maybe they have dropped it one to many times.

And there are lots of easy to find solutions for cleaning out a sticky Home Button, including taking it to an Apple Store to get a replacement.
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Originally Posted by Bieb View Post

I have to agree.

If it was just a minor upgrade like the 3gs was we would have seen this thing back in June. I'm holding out hope for a re-design.

Have you considered that maybe some critical/new part was/is in short supply because of the disaster in Japan? Perhaps the delay was from waiting for a supplier to resume production of a part or a new supplier being sourced and coming up to speed?

Apple may be a supply chain ninja but even they can't be expected to be immune to natural disasters. Imho.
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My guess would be they are putting it in their pockets quite a bit. I rarely put my iPhone 4 in my pocket but when I do I notice all the lint that collects near the 30 pin connector on the white Apple bumper. It could be that grime, dirt, dust, and lint are collecting or getting in there and possibly that gunk makes it's way to the home button and causes issues.

Or maybe they have dropped it one to many times.

Or it might just need a good vacuuming at the 30 Pin wonder connector, compressed air is not a good idea as it may force dust up and into the screen. See this Apple support thread for further information.
https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0

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post #36 of 40
I'm not so sure this internal part really means anything as it relates to the physical button that presses the PCB button. Have you ever taken apart a VCR or DVD Player? The Play button may be bigger or longer than the rewind button, but the PCB button the physical button presses is the same. In most electronics I've seen the size of the PCB button doesn't always correlate to the piece of plastic that presses it.

If anything, this tells me that they are sticking with a physical button and aren't going multitouch on it yet. I don't think you can go so far as to say the design itself is going to be a circle or oval based on this part, though. Definitely not with any certainty.

I know I don't post much, but I'm definitely a stalker. Just thought I would add my two cents on this since I've been taking stuff apart to see how it works for more than half my life.
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Originally Posted by fizzmaster View Post

Great, now we have to listen to those few people complain about how the button breaks for the next few months.

Yup, the button broke on mine after about six months. So far, touch wood, my replacement is doing alright. I'm using Activator on a jailbreaked iPhone4 so I have gestures that allow me to "stress" the wonderful home button less.
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My guess would be they are putting it in their pockets quite a bit. I rarely put my iPhone 4 in my pocket but when I do I notice all the lint that collects near the 30 pin connector on the white Apple bumper. It could be that grime, dirt, dust, and lint are collecting or getting in there and possibly that gunk makes it's way to the home button and causes issues.

Or maybe they have dropped it one to many times.

Or maybe, some batches of iPhone4s simply have, I dunno, a defective home button?
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Originally Posted by JupiterOne View Post

...I just figured it was wear and tear.

It's a, may I repeat, defective home button on some iPhones. My iPhone 3G and 3GS still doesn't seem to have this issue after these few years.

What sort of smartphone button fails after one year due to wear and tear? A defective or poorly-designed one.

You don't commonly see a MacBook suddenly lose the ability to press the "T" button after a few years.

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And there are lots of easy to find solutions for cleaning out a sticky Home Button, including taking it to an Apple Store to get a replacement.

Yes, Apple has been responsive in providing replacements. Other solutions work for a while, but the issue tends to resurface and it's very annoying because it is otherwise a superb phone. Unfortunately for me, my wonderful local telco only offers 1 year warranty on the phone even though it's on a 2 year contract. So, well, we'll see. I got my replacement iPhone4 a few months before the warranty ended, and well, like I said, we'll see how it goes. My current iPhone4 is very naiice.
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