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Some third-party accessory makers are banking on a completely redesigned look for Apple's fifth-generation iPhone, though time will tell whether their projections stem from real inside information or are based on bogus rumors.

For example, Case-Mate this week launched a new section of its website claiming to have "inside resources" on Apple's next iPhone. The site claimed that the fifth-generation iPhone will have a "completely different form factor" from the iPhone 4, with a design wider and thinner with an "extended home button."

The page was put up to replace a previous listing with variety of different cases claimed to have been designed for Apple's fifth-generation iPhone, which were captured by Boy Genius Report, but that has since been pulled down. Like others seen before, they showed a device with curved sides, a flat back, and a mute switch moved to the right side of the handset.

Case-Mate claims the so-called "iPhone 5" will have a dual-core A5 processor, an 8-megapixel camera, and "wireless charging." While the A5 processor and 8-megapixel camera are widely expected, Case-Mate's claims of wireless charging of the device make the contents of the page suspect.

The site also claimed that its "inside resources" indicated Apple will launch both an iPhone 5 and an "iPhone 4S" in early October. The iPhone 4S was said to feature the same form factor as the iPhone 4, but with an A5 processor and 8-megapixel camera.

In a similar story, new screen protectors claimed to be for Apple's fifth-generation iPhone cropped up this week at unwire.hk (via MacRumors). The accessories are designed to fit a device that is slightly larger than an iPhone 4, with a large oval-sized area where an iPhone's home button would be.



The screen protectors have been seen by some as evidence that Apple plans to release a redesigned iPhone this year with a larger screen and a touch-sensitive home button, as has been rumored. However, the design could be based on alleged iPhone 5 engineering sketches released earlier this year, or could even be designed for an entirely different non-Apple smartphone with a larger display, as there is nothing on the screen protector to suggest it is meant specifically for an iPhone.



Apple is expected to hold an event in the coming weeks to unveil its fifth-generation iPhone, and the handset is anticipated to go on sale in October. Rumors about the new hardware have been scattershot, with some claiming it will be a completely redesigned form factor, while others have suggested the device will look largely the same as the iPhone 4.
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Can I have a samsung sticker built into the screen protector as well so I can confuse all my friends.

All jokes aside though I think the form factor looks killer. I wonder if there will be a way to scale existing apps onto that display while the developers are working on updates. Pixel double worked well for iPad, but I'm not sure if apple will have pixel 1.2 button on the phone. Perhaps we'll just have a black edge for the time being.

Also it looks like the Touch will not be bravely going into the larger territory, which is historic, as iPods always followed same screen size and pixel density (though crappier quality) displays. It will be interesting to see if developers will not have to code for 2 different display sizes, which smacks of the F word so thrown around against el Goog.

Man the announcement needs to happen soon, I can't wait to see what is actually introduced.
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If only we had someone on the inside that could give us the real story. Anyone know someone working at a bar in the Bay area?

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Can I have a samsung sticker built into the screen protector as well so I can confuse all my friends.

All jokes aside though I think the form factor looks killer. I wonder if there will be a way to scale existing apps onto that display while the developers are working on updates. Pixel double worked well for iPad, but I'm not sure if apple will have pixel 1.2 button on the phone. Perhaps we'll just have a black edge for the time being.

Also it looks like the Touch will not be bravely going into the larger territory, which is historic, as iPods always followed same screen size and pixel density (though crappier quality) displays. It will be interesting to see if developers will not have to code for 2 different display sizes, which smacks of the F word so thrown around against el Goog.

Man the announcement needs to happen soon, I can't wait to see what is actually introduced.

As long as they keep the resolution and the ratio, there would be nothing for the developers to change. Since the 3GS and third generation iPod touch is also getting iOS 5, and is half the resolution, I don't see Apple introducing a third. I think 3.7" and the same resolution would still qualify it as "Retina Display" where 4" wouldn't, thus requiring a new resolution for Developers to contend with.
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All jokes aside though I think the form factor looks killer.

It's wretched. That's subjective, though.

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I wonder if there will be a way to scale existing apps onto that display while the developers are working on updates. Pixel double worked well for iPad, but I'm not sure if apple will have pixel 1.2 button on the phone. Perhaps we'll just have a black edge for the time being.

The resolution will be identical.

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Also it looks like the Touch will not be bravely going into the larger territory, which is historic, as iPods always followed same screen size and pixel density (though crappier quality) displays.

Implying this ISN'T actually the next iPod touch and the next stays the same iPhone. We'll see.

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Man the announcement needs to happen soon, I can't wait to see what is actually introduced.

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These larger-screen iPhone rumors, which all seem based on the leaked schematic for case-makers awhile back indicate a the screen will not be symmetric top-to-bottom. Ie, less bezel on top and more bezel on bottom for the alleged larger and elongated home button.

I'm going to be bitterly disappointed if it is asymmetric as indicated. I find it hard to believe that Apple would ship it like that. Hard to believe. Really really hard to believe.
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As long as they keep the resolution and the ratio, there would be nothing for the developers to change. Since the 3GS and third generation iPod touch is also getting iOS 5, and is half the resolution, I don't see Apple introducing a third. I think 3.7" and the same resolution would still qualify it as "Retina Display" where 4" wouldn't, thus requiring a new resolution for Developers to contend with.

With iOS 5 supporting older devices with non-retina displays I cannot see Apple forcing every developer to support a third resolution. It think it much more likely that Apple realizes that 4" at the current resolution is still better than almost everything in the Android camp and that "bigger" might sell better than "highest resolution". Look at the huge anticipation for iPhone 5, the number of people itching to upgrade. Surely some of them are drooling at the prospect of a bigger display and don't care if the pixel density goes down slightly. In fact some of us with aging eyes are truly hoping the pixel density goes down so we stand a better chance of being able to read the small text that some apps/websites insist on using.
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As long as they keep the resolution and the ratio, there would be nothing for the developers to change. Since the 3GS and third generation iPod touch is also getting iOS 5, and is half the resolution, I don't see Apple introducing a third. I think 3.7" and the same resolution would still qualify it as "Retina Display" where 4" wouldn't, thus requiring a new resolution for Developers to contend with.

What is the real gain in going from 3.5" to 3.7"?
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...Apple is trying to teach these people a lesson by making them waste money making cases that won't work, and so they leaked fake designs to these manufacturers?

It is very possible.
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In fact some of us with aging eyes are truly hoping the pixel density goes down so we stand a better chance of being able to read the small text that some apps/websites insist on using.

How does lower pixel density help your aging eyesight (BTW, who does not have aging eyes?)?
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...Apple is trying to teach these people a lesson by making them waste money making cases that won't work, and so they leaked fake designs to these manufacturers?

It is very possible.

Tough business to be in, having to invest in tooling based on unreliable rumors.
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These larger-screen iPhone rumors, which all seem based on the leaked schematic for case-makers awhile back indicate a the screen will not be symmetric top-to-bottom. Ie, less bezel on top and more bezel on bottom for the alleged larger and elongated home button.

I'm going to be bitterly disappointed if it is asymmetric as indicated. I find it hard to believe that Apple would ship it like that. Hard to believe. Really really hard to believe.

I don't recall any rumors indicating asymmetry as you are describing. Link please?

The asymmetry I have read about is in the thickness - i.e. the phone tapers from being thickest at the *top* (where the camera is) to thinnest at the *bottom* (where the home button is). That does not affect the bezel.
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If only we had someone on the inside that could give us the real story. Anyone know someone working at a bar in the Bay area?

That was right on time............

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That was right on time............

Given this 'leak' from case-mate is admittedly based on 'insider sources', it seemed appropriate.

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What is the real gain in going from 3.5" to 3.7"?

Weight. Size. Disutility.

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Given this 'leak' from case-mate is admittedly based on 'insider sources', it seemed appropriate.

Apple's gonna be pissed.
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Tough business to be in, having to invest in tooling based on unreliable rumors.

Not in this particular instance... I've ready about some 3D "printing" systems that you can basically design an object in something like a CAD program and then using a special "ink jet" type of printer you can "print" yourself whatever it is you have designed. I would imagine a prototype iPhone case would be the perfect type of thing to "print".
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If only we had someone on the inside that could give us the real story. Anyone know someone working at a bar in the Bay area?

We could start questioning bartenders....believe me they know everything and have seen/heard everything you can imagine....

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post #19 of 49
Still predicting a $199/$299 iPhone 5 with a $99 iPhone 4S. Goodbye iPhone 4.

That's the only way to explain the confusion in all the rumors.
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Tough business to be in, having to invest in tooling based on unreliable rumors.

Tooling for a case is several orders of magnitude cheaper than tooling for the case itself...

Plus it gives Apple endorsed (<cough> taxed) cases a leg up... For about 2 weeks...

It would, however, be sheer genius if Apple were actually behind all the leaks. Leaking this here and that there... And then finding out who could keep a secret and who couldn't. Kind of like using dye to find where the leak occurred...

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The rumours leading up to this have been so inconsistent that it's almost impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff. I've given up on speculation now!

All I want is to upgrade my 3GS with the "to be announced" new iPhone, it's taking too long!! The 3GS is fine but I'd really like a hardware upgrade (camera, and screen mostly), it'd be stupid to get a 4 this close to a new nodel coming out. Just wish they'd get on with it already!
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What is the real gain in going from 3.5" to 3.7"?

IF the rumors turn out to be true on a slightly larger iPhone, I would assume that it is going to a 4" screen and not the 3.7. I've heard that 3.7" is about the best Apple could get if they extended the screen of the current phone all the way to the edge of the existing case.
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The rumours leading up to this have been so inconsistent that it's almost impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff. I've given up on speculation now!

All I want is to upgrade my 3GS with the "to be announced" new iPhone, it's taking too long!! The 3GS is fine but I'd really like a hardware upgrade (camera, and screen mostly), it'd be stupid to get a 4 this close to a new nodel coming out. Just wish they'd get on with it already!

Here here... I'm in exactly the same boat. Sure would be nice if this release was a big surprise and Apple managed to exceed all of the rumor mongers out there. I'm about 95% sure I'll be getting the new iPhone 5 regardless, but it sure would be nice to see it already and know an actual release date.
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So the 4S will be different only in that it has a single A5 and no "supposed" wireless charging...and it may look different? Doesn't seem like the iPhone 5 would be that big of change to force the average user to want to upgrade. And if it is $200 less, most who do might just go for the phone that is "close enough". Most users don't know or care what dual core is, they just see megapixels and new and that is all they care.
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This elongated home button, could it be a rocker switch, with a left side, right side and central push position? Maybe a touch sensitive slide motion? Maybe allow you to answer the phone with one hand?

For example, you could press it on the left side to answer the phone, right to hang up? Center to select? Maybe something to do with voice command on, off, voice dial on or some function of that nature? Sort a short version of the one handed classic ipod rotary motion to select an item. Like the slide "on" motion in iOS?

Just thinking.
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Not in this particular instance... I've ready about some 3D "printing" systems that you can basically design an object in something like a CAD program and then using a special "ink jet" type of printer you can "print" yourself whatever it is you have designed. I would imagine a prototype iPhone case would be the perfect type of thing to "print".

Most assuredly, smartphone cases are not made by 3D printing. At least not the mass-produced ones.
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IF the rumors turn out to be true on a slightly larger iPhone, I would assume that it is going to a 4" screen and not the 3.7. I've heard that 3.7" is about the best Apple could get if they extended the screen of the current phone all the way to the edge of the existing case.

Going to 4" would drop pixel density below what Apple calls Retina Display (see http://bit.ly/oE9672). Doubt Apple would give up on a feature that they consider head of the class.
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As long as they keep the resolution and the ratio, there would be nothing for the developers to change. Since the 3GS and third generation iPod touch is also getting iOS 5, and is half the resolution, I don't see Apple introducing a third. I think 3.7" and the same resolution would still qualify it as "Retina Display" where 4" wouldn't, thus requiring a new resolution for Developers to contend with.

I cannot believe that you had to explain this, but thank you nonetheless. Some people are just brain donors.
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The rumours leading up to this have been so inconsistent that it's almost impossible to sort the wheat from the chaff. I've given up on speculation now! ...

I've kind of given up on predictions also, but the "chaff" isn't really that confusing.

There are basically case and parts rumours that support two different models of device:

1) a flatter, "iPad styled" model (curved aluminium back, slightly wedge shaped) with a slightly larger screen and possibly a different home button.

2) an "iPhone 4-esque" model with slightly repositioned buttons, but essentially the same.

There are also two names floating around (iPhone 4s and iPhone 5), which appear to have been made up wholesale by the media and have no relevance at all.

There is also an expectation that either two models of phone will arrive, or that there is a new iPod touch as well as a new iPhone coming out. The former is based on pure speculation, the latter is based on the fact that there is generally always a new iPhone as well as a new iPod touch each year so far.

So while a lot of stuff isn't known at the moment, the likelihood is that we will see two devices (possibly more), at least one of them will be the new iPhone, and the other will either be a variant or the new iPod touch.

Which is which, or exactly how many devices we don't know but my money is still on a slightly altered version of last year's phone with the very boring name of "iPhone 5." If the bigger flatter one exists at all, I'm still of the opinion that it's more likely a new iPod touch than a new iPhone but no one really knows for sure.
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All I know, or at least think I know, is that the average consumer doesn't follow AAPL and tech stuff as much as readers of boards like this do. With that said, the new iPhone better be more than just the equivalent of a new paint job and slightly more powerful engine. If this new phone rolls out and appears to just be a tweak of the last phone, people INCORRECTLY will say this is what to expect in the post-Jobs era. We all know that this phone was designed and built under Steve's watch, but that isn't what it will appear to the unwashed masses.

I sure hope Apple gives more than a camera and processor upgrade.
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I've kind of given up on predictions also, but the "chaff" isn't really that confusing.

There are basically case and parts rumours that support two different models of device:

1) a flatter, "iPad styled" model (curved aluminium back, slightly wedge shaped) with a slightly larger screen and possibly a different home button.

2) an "iPhone 4-esque" model with slightly repositioned buttons, but essentially the same.

There are also two names floating around (iPhone 4s and iPhone 5), which appear to have been made up wholesale by the media and have no relevance at all.

There is also an expectation that either two models of phone will arrive, or that there is a new iPod touch as well as a new iPhone coming out. The former is based on pure speculation, the latter is based on the fact that there is generally always a new iPhone as well as a new iPod touch each year so far.

So while a lot of stuff isn't known at the moment, the likelihood is that we will see two devices (possibly more), at least one of them will be the new iPhone, and the other will either be a variant or the new iPod touch.

Which is which, or exactly how many devices we don't know but my money is still on a slightly altered version of last year's phone with the very boring name of "iPhone 5." If the bigger flatter one exists at all, I'm still of the opinion that it's more likely a new iPod touch than a new iPhone but no one really knows for sure.

Yup, I've been following them all, it just seems to me that there's no really great leads this time around, so any slight hint of a rumour/case/screen size/memory blah blah blah it get posted up as breaking news, but really no one knows until Apple pull the black cloth away.

I quite like the surprise actually, I kinda thought the iPhone 4 getting found in a bar last time spoilt it. It's the waiting that's getting to me, I (like many others) have gotten accustomed to the yearly upgrade cycle and am just a bit fed up that I've had the 3GS for 2 years and some months and I'm stuck waiting for a bloomin' upgrade.

Oh well, the time will probably go by quicker if I stop checking rumour sites every day, because even when it's announced they'll probably announce it'll be available x months in the future and then no-one will be able to get one without a 2-3 week wait as there will be too much demand! lol \
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The extended home button might work out better for not accidentally hitting the trash can icon so often in the mail app. Of course it isn't really a problem with the home button as it has more to do with the poor design of the mail app. Just not a good spot to put a destructive button. They should have put the trash can on the side and maybe the reply or move in the middle next to the home button. Sure it is a nit picky little thing since you do have to confirm the delete anyway, but still.

I really take issue with the iPad mail app too. I dislike the way all the messages pop open when you are trying to delete them.

I'll be surprised if the home button is changed though. That seems so non-Apple-like.

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Still predicting a $199/$299 iPhone 5 with a $99 iPhone 4S. Goodbye iPhone 4.

That's the only way to explain the confusion in all the rumors.

Better way. The iPhone 5 is the 4s.

Part of why they can do a $99 iPhone is the lack of updates on everything, so . . .

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post #34 of 49
Oh ffs. There is no iPhone costing $99. It costs $99 and whatever premium you pay for the contract. it costs >$300 off contract.

There isn't one thread where I don't have to point this out. The US is not the world. A phone on contract is not it's sticker price.
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An amazing number of people think Apple will abandon it's perfectly functional iPhone 4 if it releases an iPhone 4s. That makes no sense. That Apple only sells 2 iPhones has been true so far. It won't be in the future. Personally I think they may keep the 3GS and the iPhone 4 , as well as a iPhone 4S and potentially an iPhone 5. IPod touches get 3G allowing iMessages. The off contract price runs from $200 to $600+ across all models.
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post #36 of 49
I believe the elongated home button will allow you to swipe left and right to switch apps, replacing the rather clumsy double tap multi tasking and resembling Lion in full screen mode where you 'slide' between apps.

There is zero chance that the form factor will be the same as the iPhone 4. Obviously it will be thinner for a start. Apple lives off hype and speculation over forthcoming products and this may be the most anticipated iPhone since the first. It has to be different especially given that the competition is much more fierce than it was when the current iPhone debuted.

I also think there's a chance that the rumoured 4S is actually the new Touch. Apple know they need to tap the Pay As You Go market and the new touch could be such a phone, shipping without a SIM and operating just like an iPod Touch until you put a SIM in it when it becomes an iPhone. I think that would be a killer move but it's just an idea.
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I believe the elongated home button will allow you to swipe left and right to switch apps, replacing the rather clumsy double tap multi tasking and resembling Lion in full screen mode where you 'slide' between apps.

We already have a replacement. Four finger swipe left and right. Works in 4.2 if you have Xcode.

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There is zero chance that the form factor will be the same as the iPhone 4.

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It has to be different especially given that the competition is much more fierce than it was when the current iPhone debuted.

Everyone always says this. It's completely false.

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I think the 4 finger swipe is difficult on the iPhone's small screen and it can interfere with some apps, such as photo editing and paint apps.

Most stats show Android surpassed iOS in terms of market share around the end of 2010 and continues to make gains. Now that may well be because the smart phone market is itself increasing, but however you interpret it I can't see how anyone could argue that the market isn't getting more competitive so I'd be interested to hear why you do.
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...however you interpret it I can't see how anyone could argue that the market isn't getting more competitive so I'd be interested to hear why you do.

Because the iPhone 3GS, a nearly two and a half year old phone, still sells better than any Android phone.

Marketshare? Screw it. Apple has all the profits and the mindshare.

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