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Australia's Qantas Airways will soon test Apple's iPad 2 as an in-flight entertainment system for travelers that offers streaming movies over Wi-Fi from a central server on the aircraft.

The pilot program, billed as a world first by the airline, will take place over a six-week period from the end of October to early December, Australian Business Traveller reports. The trial run will be limited, however, to a single aircraft, a 254-seat Boeing 767-300.

All passengers boarding the aircraft will be given an iPad 2 for in-flight entertainment purposes. The device will sport a custom interface based on a special Q Streaming application that will let users stream content from one of five wireless access points.

Each iPad will be locked down, bypassing the usual home screen in a similar manner to the iPads used as product signs in Apple stores. According to Qantas Executive Manager for Customer Experience Alison Webster, the devices will boot into the Q Streaming app, so if anyone decides they want to borrow one it wont have any capability off the aircraft.



Qantas may extend the iPad 2-based entertainment system to up to ten Boeing 767-300 aircrafts, and it may even consider deploying Apple's touchscreen tablets to its Airbus A330 fleet. For more details, see the original story at Australian Business Traveller.

While this trial program targets passengers, other airlines have started similar trials for aircraft crew, specifically for pilots. United Airlines, Delta Airlines and American Airlines have already begun testing iPads pre-loaded with specific flight navigation applications to replace the existing paper documents and manuals currently present in the cockpits of their aircrafts.
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Australia's Qantas Airlines will soon test Apple's iPad 2 as an in-flight entertainment system for travelers that offers streaming movies over Wi-Fi from a central server on the aircraft.

My hearing may not be a good as it once was although I haven't noticed any degradation, but I have a very difficult time hearing the iPad while in flight using the supplied ear buds. The engine noise is just too loud to hear quiet movies. I was recently trying to watch "No Country" and it was completely unwatchable. I suppose I need to invest in some Bose headphones. BTW I did buy that movie.

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It is QANTAS not QUANTA.

For years we have been forced to turn off all electronic devices and now that it suits the airlines its ok. And it is wi-fi not cable - amazing.
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It is QANTAS not QUANTA.

For years we have been forced to turn off all electronic devices and now that it suits the airlines its ok. And it is wi-fi not cable - amazing.

Uh, you've always been forced to turn off all devices that receive or transmit signals as a precaution to not interfere with the flight equipment while climbing or landing.

Also, the last thing a flight attendant needs is someone texting while they are giving out directions during an emergency.

I am certain the airline will have a proprietary system that is cleared by their engineers before deploying this system.

But you can continue to gripe just so you can play Angry Birds?

Grow up.

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I am certain the airline will have a proprietary system that is cleared by their engineers before deploying this system.

I'm pretty certain the iPads won't be proprietary hardware so they'll use standard 802.11n. As I understand it it's the mobile radios that are the issue. That sound you get over a HiFi system that's too close to a mobile phone is what the pilots get in their headphones, loads of 'em.

Hmmm, odd decision. Given the appalling quality of streaming on the current wired LINUX in flight systems (too many hangs) streaming I've Wi-Fi sounds like a bad idea. Especially with a device which has at least 16GB of local storage. Surely wireless sync makes more sense, even with a proprietary app.
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It is QANTAS not QUANTA.

For years we have been forced to turn off all electronic devices and now that it suits the airlines its ok. And it is wi-fi not cable - amazing.

I'm wondering if the author hasn't seen this name in written form, or simply doesn't know that it's an acronym.
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The company has looked into installing seats with in-built iPad brackets, should the program prove successful. Initially, the iPads will be found in the seat pocket while business class passengers will also take advantage of a stand for use on their meal tray.

Other than advertising that they are providing their passengers with an iPad 2, if the iPad 2 is just going to be locked down to only stream movies, I'm unclear what the major advantage this provides over existing built-in seat touchscreen LCDs. Unless they consider giving passengers the option of holding the iPad for hours while watching a movie or having to worry about recharging it an advantage.
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260 iPads per aircraft is a decent amount of revenue. Imagine a whole fleet of airplanes all carrying iPads. That's one thing that Microsoft and partners have never managed to do. An iPad would be perfect for aircraft carrier and submarine personnel where space is at a premium. The uses for iPads seem to just grow and grow. I do remember the days when it was said by tech pundits that Apple would never sell three million iPads in a whole year. Wow! Apple must be selling at least three million iPads every month and it's only going to get better over the next couple of years.
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I'm unclear what the major advantage this provides over existing built-in seat touchscreen LCDs.

I imagine that the main advangtage for an airline is in reduced costs through weight (fuel cost), maintenance and upgrade savings.

Current IFE systems must bring a lot of complexity to the seat and cabin along with a reasonable amount of weight.

If you can split the system away from the seat the cost of maintaining and upgrading seats must be lower allowing the airline to refresh more frequently or have designs that do not need to accomodate the wiring/controls etc. Maintaining the IFE at the user end when it breaks is just a new iPad rather than an engineer having to work in the plane or a seat be put out of use.

There will be weight and complexity from the central server system but there is already some type of centralised distribution system so probably not net penalty here.

Removing the control box from under a set will also increase leg room and cabin flexibility. A small benefit but with sites like seat guru flagging seats are bad due to the IFE control box it alleviates this.

I guess someone has made the calculations and realised there could be significant financial benefits.

Ultimately though it shows the benefit of rolling out a solution like the iPad vs current bespoke solutions. No doubt there are a whole host of the other applications where an embedded iPad could appear.
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This s a good idea an Australian airline. The iPad can flip over the picture when they fly over the equator and the planes are upside-down.
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I imagine that the main advangtage for an airline is in reduced costs through weight (fuel cost), maintenance and upgrade savings.

Current IFE systems must bring a lot of complexity to the seat and cabin along with a reasonable amount of weight.

If you can split the system away from the seat the cost of maintaining and upgrading seats must be lower allowing the airline to refresh more frequently or have designs that do not need to accomodate the wiring/controls etc. Maintaining the IFE at the user end when it breaks is just a new iPad rather than an engineer having to work in the plane or a seat be put out of use.

There will be weight and complexity from the central server system but there is already some type of centralised distribution system so probably not net penalty here.

Removing the control box from under a set will also increase leg room and cabin flexibility. A small benefit but with sites like seat guru flagging seats are bad due to the IFE control box it alleviates this.

I guess someone has made the calculations and realised there could be significant financial benefits.

Ultimately though it shows the benefit of rolling out a solution like the iPad vs current bespoke solutions. No doubt there are a whole host of the other applications where an embedded iPad could appear.

All true not to mention the millions more things an iPad can do compared with a very limited monitor even if they had a touch interface.
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I'm wondering if the author hasn't seen this name in written form, or simply doesn't know that it's an acronym.

Not only that, but calling it "Qantas Airlines" annoys the hell out of me considering it's actually "Qantas Airways".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas
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Forget about it. You're asking AI to behave like research-minded journalists who actually check their facts.

Journalism died in the Nineties.

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interesting... Boeing also announced that every new 787 is going to have Android based entertainment on every seat - looks like long trips are going to get much nicer

http://www.techflash.com/seattle/201...reamliner.html
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That's just the excuse. The main reason they want you to turn off devices is so you are paying attention to them and any announcements because take off and landing is usually when anything going wrong turns into a disaster. Also why they turn off the lights for night takeoffs/landings, to preserve your night vision in case anything goes wrong.
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Forget about it. You're asking AI to behave like research-minded journalists who actually check their facts.

Journalism died in the Nineties.

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interesting... Boeing also announced that every new 787 is going to have Android based entertainment on every seat - looks like long trips are going to get much nicer

http://www.techflash.com/seattle/201...reamliner.html

I have never used android, but I bet it is better than any in flight entertainment system currently out there. The best one I have seen is on Emirates and compared to iOS it is an absolute dog. But on long haul wrestling with it occupies your time....

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Not only that, but calling it "Qantas Airlines" annoys the hell out of me considering it's actually "Qantas Airways".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qantas

Not only that.... ,not only that, but calling it "Qantas Airway" annoys the hell out of me considering it's actually "Qantas Airways Limited". ....sorry dude, long afternoon

Actually I din't know that I always thought it was just the acronym (Queensland And Northern Territory Air (edit -Aerial apparently) Service).

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The iPad is almost perfectly suited for an inflight entertainment system. The screen is too small for business or first class, but should be ok for economy. I think they should build them in to the seat, and have wired connectivity. As someone else mentioned, they will also need proper noise-cancelling headphones, not crappy earbuds.
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This s a good idea an Australian airline. The iPad can flip over the picture when they fly over the equator and the planes are upside-down.

I hear the accelerometers cause the screens to auto-rotate the other way up there!
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For years we have been forced to turn off all electronic devices and now that it suits the airlines its ok. And it is wi-fi not cable - amazing.

And you will STILL be forced to turn off all electronic devices for takeoff and landing. There's no evidence that the FAA will change that rule.

Like it or not, the rule is the same as it has always been:
- All electronic devices turned off for takeoff and landing
- Only approved electronic devices can be used at cruise altitude
- Cell phones must be in airplane mode if used at cruise altitude

Use of iPads on airlines won't change that.
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Yay! Even more germs being spread around like crazy!
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Uh, you've always been forced to turn off all devices that receive or transmit signals as a precaution to not interfere with the flight equipment while climbing or landing.

Also, the last thing a flight attendant needs is someone texting while they are giving out directions during an emergency.

I am certain the airline will have a proprietary system that is cleared by their engineers before deploying this system.

But you can continue to gripe just so you can play Angry Birds?

Grow up.

"Grow up" - how mature. Perhaps you should "grow up" and start questioning 'authority'. First, there's zero evidence of phone interference with plane systems. For example, even if only 1/100% of 1% of planes have someone on board who either accidentally or deliberately didn't turn off their phone - and I've seen instances of this myself, and I don't fly that often - then that means each day there are 1000s of planes flying, incident-free, with active phones on board.

Second, the original poster's point was that phones currently have to be off *all the time*, not just during takeoff and landing as you try to rebut. And yet now suddenly it's OK to have an active wi-fi on board during flight. I.e., even if the wi-fi is off during takeoff and landing, its presence puts paid to the notion that in-flight wireless signals wreak havoc with a plane's systems.
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Other than advertising that they are providing their passengers with an iPad 2, if the iPad 2 is just going to be locked down to only stream movies, I'm unclear what the major advantage this provides over existing built-in seat touchscreen LCDs. Unless they consider giving passengers the option of holding the iPad for hours while watching a movie or having to worry about recharging it an advantage.

I'd much rather have a large(-ish) screen that I can hold at any angle than sit in an awkward position staring at a 4" or 5" monitor in the back of the seat in front of me (which may, at any time, be reclined back into my lap by the person in front of me).
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I'm wondering if this is cheaper and simpler to manage than the installation of the Thales/Panasonic Android IFE that Boeing is offering on the 787.

Either way, both are better solutions than what's there today.

Curious to see what apps would come pre-loaded.
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Yay! Even more germs being spread around like crazy!

I'm sure they'll be sanitized before being passed out.

I'm curious to see how the airline will handle losses (iPads that get flung around and damaged).
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"Grow up" - how mature. Perhaps you should "grow up" and start questioning 'authority'. First, there's zero evidence of phone interference with plane systems. For example, even if only 1/100% of 1% of planes have someone on board who either accidentally or deliberately didn't turn off their phone - and I've seen instances of this myself, and I don't fly that often - then that means each day there are 1000s of planes flying, incident-free, with active phones on board.

So you know more about the reasons for the ban than the FAA? Amazing.

I suspect that the ban is because the FAA doesn't want people distracted or oblivious during takeoff and landing. For example, flight attendants are supposed to make sure that any items on the floor are completely under the seat in front of you for takeoff and landing so they can't interfere with rapid egress in an emergency.

If there is an emergency, escape time is measured in seconds. Having people wrapped up in their own little world could be extremely dangerous to them - AND to the people around them.

Regardless, it's not just a recommendation. It's the law.

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Second, the original poster's point was that phones currently have to be off *all the time*, not just during takeoff and landing as you try to rebut. And yet now suddenly it's OK to have an active wi-fi on board during flight. I.e., even if the wi-fi is off during takeoff and landing, its presence puts paid to the notion that in-flight wireless signals wreak havoc with a plane's systems.

The problem is that neither you nor the other poster have any idea what you're talking about. As I pointed out above, after you reach a cruising altitude, you are allowed to use your cell phone if it's in airline mode (cellular access off, but WiFi can be on). WiFi has been allowed on planes during flight for years. So the iPad is nothing new in that regard.
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So you know more about the reasons for the ban than the FAA? Amazing.

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Regardless, it's not just a recommendation. It's the law.

I never said *I* don't turn off my phone. In fact, I hate self-absorbed and/or self-righteous people who think they're above the rules. My point was simply that regardless of the rule and regardless of 99.99% of us abiding by it ... every day 1000s of flights are successfully taking off and landing with at least one active phone on board. I was merely addressing technological interference claims, not passenger attention spans.

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The problem is that neither you nor the other poster have any idea what you're talking about. As I pointed out above, after you reach a cruising altitude, you are allowed to use your cell phone if it's in airline mode (cellular access off, but WiFi can be on). WiFi has been allowed on planes during flight for years. So the iPad is nothing new in that regard.

See above, same response applies in toto. Oh, and I appreciate how you assume I'm completely clueless and uninformed. Right back atcha.
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