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A T-Mobile exec has reportedly denied claims that the wireless operator will land iPhone 5 during the 2011 calendar year, leaving the German carrier as the only major U.S. cell service provider not expected to participate in Apple's launch next month.

The comments were reportedly made by T-Mobile's chief marketing officer Cole Brodman in a corporate newsletter distributed internally on September 15th, a copy of which was photographed and shared with TmoNews.com.

We are not going to get the iPhone 5 this year, Brodman allegedly told T-Mobile employees, without further expanding on the matter.

Still, the opening paragraph of the internal communication suggests that the carrier will launch two new smartphones during the holiday season without going into specific details about either model.

T-Mobile has been rumored on various occasions to carry the iPhone, with some recent reports implying that the nations fourth largest mobile operator will launch the next-gen handset alongside its largest rivals in the U.S.

Brodmans terse statement on a potential iPhone 5 launch seems to have temporarily quenched T-Mobile iPhone rumors, although the nature of the denial could further spark speculation on an imminent iPhone 5 launch with the carrier sometime next year.



Meanwhile, the exec made no mention of a so-called iPhone 4S, or updated iPhone 4 model, in the purported denial, suggesting only that the mobile operator will not get the iPhone 5 anytime before midnight on December 31st."

Apple is expected to launch at least one new iPhone by mid October. While there is no official product name for the fifth-generation smartphone yet, the media is currently using at least three different monikers for the upcoming device or devices: iPhone 4S, iPhone 5 and iPhone 4GS.

The first two are predominant in reports, with the iPhone 4S describing a cheaper iPhone 4-based device and the iPhone 5 representing a high-end major product refresh.

T-Mobile isnt the only major U.S. mobile operator that has been rumored to land the iPhone for its customers. Numerous reports have indicated that Sprint will join AT&T and Verizon in launching the iPhone 5 this year. Sprint officials have neither confirmed nor denied a potential iPhone launch but a recently leaked internal company memo revealed clear instructions for employees not to comment on any iPhone matter with customers.

Moreover, the carrier has recently increased its early termination fee for advanced devices, which includes smartphones, to $350 and made critical modifications to its Premier program, with the changes being perceived as signs pointing to a potential iPhone launch.

Recent reports have also claimed to provide evidence showing that that the carrier has installed signal boosters in and around at least one Apple store location and that the company has blacked out staff vacation for the first half of October.

Finally, sales associates at Sprint claimed last week to have been officially briefed on an imminent iPhone 4 launch.
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We are not going to get the iPhone 5 this year, Brodman allegedly told T-Mobile employees, without further expanding on the matter.

Still, the opening paragraph of the internal communication suggests that the carrier will launch two new smartphones during the holiday season without going into specific details about either model.



Makes sense. T-Mobile is cheaper than the other carriers. Android users are cheapskates. So the cheapskates are all at T-Mobile buying Android.

No iPhone user would use T-Mobile anyways, because you get what you pay for.
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Makes sense. T-Mobile is cheaper than the other carriers. Android users are cheapskates. So the cheapskates are all at T-Mobile buying Android.

No iPhone user would use T-Mobile anyways, because you get what you pay for.

seriously? that's about the lamest, uninformed statement i've heard. i have an unlocked iphone (apple store) and i use t-mobile. i'm probably one of the only people in hayes valley in s.f., that has a signal and doesn't have to go to the hayes valley green to make a call.

and, at $50/month no contract, i'm saving more money than you.
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Makes sense. T-Mobile is cheaper than the other carriers. Android users are cheapskates. So the cheapskates are all at T-Mobile buying Android.

No iPhone user would use T-Mobile anyways, because you get what you pay for.

i don't know what their pricing is here, but i use my unlocked 3GS on t-mobile when i travel to the uk. for £2.50 (about US$4.08) i get five days of unlimited 3G data. roaming and paying at&t for that same data would cost thousands of dollars.

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seriously? that's about the lamest, uninformed statement i've heard. i have an unlocked iphone (apple store) and i use t-mobile. i'm probably one of the only people in hayes valley in s.f., that has a signal and doesn't have to go to the hayes valley green to make a call.

and, at $50/month no contract, i'm saving more money than you.

You only get 2G data. Like I said, you get what you pay for.

Other T-Mobile customers pay the same as you and get 4G data.
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Maybe nobody get the iPhone 5 this year.

Maybe T-Mobile gets the iPhone 4 or some variant next month.

Either is entirely possible if taking the T-Mobile exec's comments at face value.
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Tell that to the million plus unlocked iPhone users, myself included, currently on T-Mobile in the US. Further, tell that to T-Mobile executives who have publicly said the lack of the iPhone on its network has caused subscriber loss. Like Sprint, T-Mobile's internet services are unlimited. Many people would be interested in that.


If the iPhone 5 is coming out this year, and it is not on T-Mobile, the likely reasons are either 1) T-Mobile doesn't want it on its network as this will undermine AT&T's offer to buy, 2) like was the case with Verizon, Sprint has an exclusive window where Apple can only sell it on existing carriers and Sprint for a certain amount of months, 3) Apple doesn't want the iPhone 5 on T-Mobile because staggering the release of phones on different networks helps keep its earnings up (better to release on T-Mobile next quarter); or 4) Apple is worried about supply constraints so again it wants to stagger new carrier introductions. Any combination of the above could also be true.

If the rumors are true, Apple will release an inexpensive pay as you go option. If that phone is unlocked, many people, myself included may buy that phone and stay on T-Mobile. My 3GS works better on T-Mobile then my various friends iPhone 4s do on AT&T (in the same area).



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No iPhone user would use T-Mobile anyways
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T-Mobile's plans are unlimited. It offers different data plans. For instance, a 2 GB plan. After you use the 2 GB, you still get data, it is just at a slower price. Not sure how that is inferior to AT&T or Verizon. Further, depending on were you live, T-Mobile's voice service is better then AT&T.

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You only get 2G data. Like I said, you get what you pay for.

Other T-Mobile customers pay the same as you and get 4G data.
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T-Mobile's plans are unlimited. It offers different data plans. For instance, a 2 GB plan. After you use the 2 GB, you still get data, it is just at a slower price. Not sure how that is inferior to AT&T or Verizon. Further, depending on were you live, T-Mobile's voice service is better then AT&T.

2G, not 2GB.

Good luck using 2 gigabytes of data on Edge though!
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Makes sense. T-Mobile is cheaper than the other carriers. Android users are cheapskates. So the cheapskates are all at T-Mobile buying Android.

No iPhone user would use T-Mobile anyways, because you get what you pay for.

You're either joking or horribly misinformed. Verizon has nearly tripled the Android user-base than T-Mobile as of August:
http://www.geek.com/articles/mobile/...ines-20110818/

I'm also confused on where the cheapskate comments originate from. There are a wide range of price points w/ contract for Android phones depending on how cutting edge you are looking for.
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T-Mobile's plans are unlimited. It offers different data plans. For instance, a 2 GB plan. After you use the 2 GB, you still get data, it is just at a slower price. Not sure how that is inferior to AT&T or Verizon. Further, depending on were you live, T-Mobile's voice service is better then AT&T.

TBell, it's not TMobile that's the problem. The iPhone 3GS doesn't have the proper hardware to support 3G on their network. There is a workaround, using MiFi for the data (up to 1GB/mo included), but that would bump the total price up.

Otherwise I've been hearing good things about TMobile the last year. My daughter and boyfriend moved over to them a couple months back and much happier than they were with ATT. YMMV of course.
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Makes sense. T-Mobile is cheaper than the other carriers. Android users are cheapskates. So the cheapskates are all at T-Mobile buying Android.

No iPhone user would use T-Mobile anyways, because you get what you pay for.

I just noticed your member date. All of your posts seem very suspicious coming from such a recent member. What is your agenda? Making any friends? I think not.

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Maybe nobody get the iPhone 5 this year.

Exactly what I was thinking

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T-Mobile doesn't know what company it will be in 6 months.

Maybe T-Mobile isn't getting the iPhone 5, but only the 4S (4s, 4+, 4-whatever)?

Maybe Apple is only giving AT&T the iPhone 5?

Maybe we'll all find out in 2-4 weeks? I think so...
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TMobile that's the problem, it uses a UMTS 1700Mhz frequency which only a couple of other networks in Canada and Chile use. The iPhone 3GS only supports the 3G frequencies which most other networks in the world use. There is a workaround, using MiFi for the data (up to 1GB/mo included), but that would bump the total price up.

There, fixed that for you.
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seriously? that's about the lamest, uninformed statement i've heard. i have an unlocked iphone (apple store) and i use t-mobile. i'm probably one of the only people in hayes valley in s.f., that has a signal and doesn't have to go to the hayes valley green to make a call.

and, at $50/month no contract, i'm saving more money than you.


ATT works just fine outside of hippie we don't want any cell phone towers land
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seriously? that's about the lamest, uninformed statement i've heard. i have an unlocked iphone (apple store) and i use t-mobile. i'm probably one of the only people in hayes valley in s.f., that has a signal and doesn't have to go to the hayes valley green to make a call.

and, at $50/month no contract, i'm saving more money than you.

Amen!

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[QUOTE=ChiA;1946263]There, changed the quote for you for no particular reason QUOTE]

It was fine before. The iPhone's hardware doesn't support TMobile's 3G(4G) frequencies. Don't confuse others.
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ATT works just fine outside of hippie we don't want any cell phone towers land

No cell towers but we have big ass white windmills that love killing protected birds!

Gotta love dem environ-demented-less! Including head clueless broad NP...
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No cell towers but we have big ass white windmills that love killing protected birds!

Gotta love dem environ-demented-less! Including head clueless broad NP...
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Please stop spreading lies from the Fox news channel.
Read this:http://science.howstuffworks.com/env...kill-birds.htm

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I jumped to this article because I thought the iPhone 5 is not coming out this year.

Turns out T-Mobile exec saying that the iPhone 5 is not coming to his company this year.

Such a misleading title.
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T-Mobile is doomed
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No cell towers but we have big ass white windmills that love killing protected birds!

Gotta love dem environ-demented-less! Including head clueless broad NP...
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Same on the other side. NYC burbs they either passed a law or will soon that says no cell towers near schools, churches and other public buildings. In effect no new cell towers.

NYC they build towers on every building they can
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Please stop spreading lies from the Fox news channel.
Read this:http://science.howstuffworks.com/env...kill-birds.htm

Where does his link mention Fox?

Edit: I found an article posted by that right wing, whacked, fringe rag - The Boston Globe, 6 groups filing suit in Federal Court. . I stand corrected.

Seriously though, hyperbole-fail.
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There, changed the quote for you for no particular reason QUOTE]

It was fine before. The iPhone's hardware doesn't support TMobile's 3G(4G) frequencies.

I changed it because your response implied that Apple is at fault for not making an iPhone that's compatible with T-mobile's network.

Very, very few networks worldwide use T-Mobile USA's 1700MHz frequency for their mobiles.
It's easy for Apple to make a third iPhone version specific to T-Mobile's frequencies, but it may not be worth Apple's time and expense for what is a small market by its nature.

Who knows, if T-mobile is willing to offer Apple some "encouragement" then a T-mobile 3G(4G) iPhone could be more forthcoming.

Maybe Apple for its new phone has gone for the technically impressive solution of a phone which covers all five GSM bands and the CDMA networks, a world phone for all world markets.
It makes for a complex product but simplifies production and distribution.

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I jumped to this article because I thought the iPhone 5 is not coming out this year.

Turns out T-Mobile exec saying that the iPhone 5 is not coming to his company this year.

Such a misleading title.

Real journalism died in the Nineties.

Sorry you didn't get the memo.
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Such a misleading title.

Agreed. This one would have been better:
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T-Mobile is doomed

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Isn't the general rule for resellers not to talk about the timing of Apple's next release?
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2G, not 2GB.

Good luck using 2 gigabytes of data on Edge though!

whatever guys. everything just a takes few seconds laterliterally. who cares? big deal. well worth the savings.
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ATT works just fine outside of hippie

not from what i've heard.


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we don't want any cell phone towers land

how right you are. the nut-ball left makes me crazyconstantlyand i'm not a republican.
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Well, it looks like the N94 Prototype that was tested with T-Mobile's frequency bands in the BoyGeniusReport article may turn out to be a modified iPhone 4 for T-Mobile until a T-Mobile iPhone 5 comes out. We have to remember that the iPhone 4 for Verizon came out later than the one for AT&T due to the modifications needed to make it work on their network.

It does seem interesting that the announcement for the next iPhone will be after the U.S. Department of Justice wins in court defeating AT&T's repeal of why the acquisition/merger of T-Mobile should not occur. To me, it looks like Apple is waiting for the results of this case to decide whether or not T-Mobile should carry the iPhone. It also looks like that they are waiting for the Federal Communications Commission decision of whether AT&T can use T-Mobile's frequency bands; this decision will come some time after AT&T's repeal gets rejected.
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I changed it because your response implied that Apple is at fault for not making an iPhone that's compatible with T-mobile's network.

Oh, sorry that I thought you were simply being petty rather than correcting an erroneous statement. My mistake. It's plainly TMobile's fault that the iPhone doesn't have the hardware to work with their frequencies.
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whatever guys. everything just a takes few seconds laterliterally. who cares? big deal. well worth the savings.

I'm sure it is to some, but certainly not to all, as illustrated by the willingness of 95% of iPhone users to spend nearly double what you spend for better service. The numbers don't lie. Plus the inability to transfer data while talking, I'm SO glad I don't have to worry about that since the 3G iPhone.
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I'm sure it is to some, but certainly not to all, as illustrated by the willingness of 95% of iPhone users to spend nearly double what you spend for better service. The numbers don't lie. Plus the inability to transfer data while talking, I'm SO glad I don't have to worry about that since the 3G iPhone.

So, what's your point? Some people don't care about simultaneous voice and data, and if they did, they'd move to AT&T. But they're not, and some have WiFi like 90% of the time (like me), so that feature is almost moot. So why not save $20 or more a month and decide to treat yourself to a nice dinner instead?
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So, what's your point? Some people don't care about simultaneous voice and data, and if they did, they'd move to AT&T. But they're not, and some have WiFi like 90% of the time (like me), so that feature is almost moot. So why not save $20 or more a month and decide to treat yourself to a nice dinner instead?

The point is that most people disagree with you, that it's worth the sacrifices to lose 3G speeds and simultaneous data for 5,000 hours each month just to save 8 cents an hour. Being able to download a 2 MB file in 30 seconds instead of 10 minutes on Edge just once a month is worth the $30 premium I pay.

But I have no qualms with each person making their own decision. Not everyone's time has the same value. If ATT cost $200 a month and the only alternative was T Mobile at $50 per month, I'd still be on ATT. Without the features and the speed of ATT's network, I wouldn't be able to run my company.
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It's plainly TMobile's fault that the iPhone doesn't have the hardware to work with their frequencies.

I sense your sarcasm but I find it childish and simplistic to suggest it's a matter of fault and blame: a 1700 MHz iPhone may simply not be worthwhile for either party.

Consider:

Verizon 100 million subscribers
Sprint 50 million subscribers

i.e. 150 million potential EVDO iPhone buyers.


AT&T - GSM/UMTS with 100 million subscribers plus the hundreds of millions on "regular frequency" GSM/UMTS networks around the world

i.e. 1000 million potential "regular frequency" UMTS/GSM iPhone buyers.


Now compare to T-mobile USA with its 1700 MHz frequency and 33 million subscribers: less than Sprint.


A 3G(4G) 1700 MHz T-mobile iPhone will incur the same manufacturing, distribution and regulatory costs (do you think the FTC work for free?) but will be for a smaller market, T-mobile's 33 million. It will also use up time and material which could otherwise been used to make iPhones for the larger markets.

Furthermore Apple can sell the same iPhone offered by AT&T to other carriers around the world: excess inventory in one country can be used to meet excess demand in another.

In contrast, should the 1700 MHz T-mobile iPhone fail to sell then it can only be sold as a crippled EDGE iPhone on other GSM/UMTS networks or worse still end up as landfill.

There is risk to Apple in creating a phone for such a limited market. Don't forget AT&T and Apple spent time negotiating over the details and risks (i.e. "finances") of bringing the first iPhone to market.

It's possible that upon discussion neither Apple nor T-mobile USA felt the risk and cost in creating a 1700MHz 3G(4G) iPhone was worth the potential reward.
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. . . A 3G(4G) 1700 MHz T-mobile iPhone will incur the same manufacturing, distribution and regulatory costs (do you think the FTC work for free?) but will be for a smaller market, T-mobile's 33 million. It will also use up time and material which could otherwise been used to make iPhones for the larger markets.

. . .In contrast, should the 1700 MHz T-mobile iPhone fail to sell then it can only be sold as a crippled EDGE iPhone on other GSM/UMTS networks or worse still end up as landfill.

. . .There is risk to Apple in creating a phone for such a limited market.

And yet HTC, LG, Samsung and Motorola are risk-takers at TMobile?

But that's entirely secondary to my original post that Apple's current hardware doesn't support TMobile's network, which is why 3G services are not available for an unlocked iPhone thru no fault of TMobile. A simple truthful statement that provided an answer to a forum member that was confused by the issue. For some reason that still remains unclear you took issue the explanation and felt the need to alter it, shifting responsibilty to the carrier for not having proper frequencies.

No matter, over and done with. On to more important things.
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And yet HTC, LG, Samsung and Motorola are risk-takers at TMobile?

But that's entirely secondary to my original post...A simple truthful statement that provided an answer to a forum member that was confused by the issue. For some reason that still remains unclear you took issue the explanation and felt the need to alter it, shifting responsibilty to the carrier for not having proper frequencies. :???

Your original answer to the forum member was irelevalent to his statement, TBell correctly stated Tmobile reduces the data speed if a subscriber exceeds their data allowance, yet you respond that's Apple's fault even though it applies to any mobile device on the T mobile?

If you can respond with irelevant replies to posts, then surely I can post related replies and conjectures to your posts?

There are at least 600 mobile networks in the world, of which less than ten are using the 1700MHz frequency for 3G/4G data.

as for HTC, LG etc being risk takers, if you've got nothing to lose then it becomes more acceptable to take high risks. A little income is better than a total loss.

However with iPhones selling well globally, why should Apple waste time and resource selling a small number of iPhones on a niche network, when those same resources can be used to sell far more iPhones globally?
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