Apple's iPhone has 89% retention rate, next nearest hardware is HTC at 39% - Page 3

Originally Posted by mercury99

"Troll"? So you name calling, that means you just lost the argument

"If you bother to look", the CNET and the Phonearena don't cell phones, but result is still the same.

And since you don't bother to look, it "places you firmly" in the blind worshiper category. Apple is your religion

Originally Posted by melgross

So, which is it? Is it believable, or is it not reliable evidence?

And you don't have to be sarcastic and keep repeating the "Ok thanks".

Originally Posted by Gatorguy

Wasn't the reason Samsung offered more about Apple's lawsuits and competitive advantage rather than any embarrassment over numbers? I suppose you could guess that as the real reason, and might even be right, but that's not the official reason offered.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...866644746.html

Originally Posted by Jims1973

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This is what pisses me off more and more about AI and the majority of its commenters.

UBS is an investment firm. They take money from people and invest it in a variety of investment products with the hopes of making their customers additional money. They take fees and percentages of the additional money made. The more money they make for their customer the more money they make. It's in their best interest to encourage their customers to invest in the companies they feel will do that the best.

Why does Apple Insider and in turn it's readers feel that anything they have to say or do reflect on the average population? Why do people take this for anything other than UBS trying to encourage it's customers to buy their products which most likely include AAPL?

You people with your remarks about the validity of the poll and it's survey base have absolutely no clue. You think everything written, posted, and reposted is intended for you, but if you had any reading comprehension at all, you'd see this as a lazy post by AI just to provide content. The poll and it's survey base is 100% valid to current customers of UBS or anyone who may utilize UBS's services and to the intended readers of it's remarks, NOT the everyday reader of AI. It provides insight to what UBS feels is a good investment.

The comments about the poll needing to be about software and not hardware need to read the post and not just the headlines. It address both!

You idiotic Android fans stating that the poll suggests that Android has a better retention rate because of the quote below need to re-read it about 10 more times. It DOESN'T say it fared better than Apple, just that the Android software fared better in retention compared to the hardware.



And to point out. Only 55% polled plan on staying with Android. While 31% are going to switch. Nowhere in that quote can anyone with at least half a brain interpret that as good for Android.

Cracks about the "average" smartphone buyer are completely useless given that the likelihood of UBS's customers being the "average" smartphone buyers are unlikely.

It's no wonder I've moved AI down to the bottom of my RSS feed. Complete and utterly useless content constantly masked as "news." PLEASE stop treating Investment Research/Analysts reports as tech news stories.

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Originally Posted by mercury99

Consumer ratings are consistant across 3 different sites. It's not just Amazon: it's also Cnet and Phonearena.

Considering antenna fiasco, I see why average iPhone user is not that excited about owning the iPhone.

Originally Posted by mercury99

So when iPhone will get 4G you not gonna complain about 4G "terrible battery life" and you gonna sing a different song. Whatever your Apple god gives you, you accept

Originally Posted by melgross

The problem with all consumer sites that have ratings is that you rarely have to actually own the product to rate it. Useless.

Originally Posted by mercury99

That would also be a problem with this forum, since most of iPhone owners have never owned an Android phone still they allow themself bashing them.

Originally Posted by Gatorguy

Mel did that "other" survey you cite target the same demographic and number of people? If not then attempting to compare the two and suggesting there's been a consumer change of heart based on just those two pieces of data wouldn't be valid would it?

BTW, do you have a link for that "other" survey? Interested to see how they arrived at their numbers in that one.

Originally Posted by muppetry

Oops. Now your outrage is ruining your grammar and spelling. That never sits well on this forum.

But seriously - you are saying that I'm ignoring your arguments (which I'm not, because I pointed out that at least one of the sites you cited does not support your assertion, which breaks your pattern), and yet you are completely ignoring mine. Why?

Originally Posted by d-range

4G baseband chips in current phones are 1st generation, and Qualcomm already announced 6 months ago that next year, they will release a baseband that supports 3G, LTE, for all GSM and CDMA networks, on a single chip that uses significantly less power than the dual-baseband solutions found in today's LTE phones. So yes, when Apple releases an iPhone with LTE without killing its battery life, obviously no-one is going to complain about terrible battery life.

The iPhone 5 is expected to have HSDPA+ by the way, which is also marketed as 4G these days.

Originally Posted by MacRulez

And since then Android's installed base has grown at a much faster rate than iOS'. What was the difference in the survey methods that might account for this disparity?


Maybe you're right. Android is doomed.

Originally Posted by mercury99

"Troll"? So you name calling, that means you just lost the argument

"If you bother to look", the CNET and the Phonearena don't cell phones, but result is still the same.

And since you don't bother to look, it "places you firmly" in the blind worshiper category. Apple is your religion

Originally Posted by mercury99

That one site (Amazon) does NOT break the pattern in spite of being e-commerce site. Amazon's consumer ratings repeat the rating pattern of two other non-commerce sites: on all three the HTC Evo has higher ratings vs. iPhone.

Originally Posted by mercury99

So when iPhone will get 4G you not gonna complain about 4G "terrible battery life" and you gonna sing a different song. Whatever your Apple god gives you, you accept

Originally Posted by Gatorguy

Your statement that the figures could be correct is believable and this particular "survey" isn't reliable evidence for that. You may have other, more dependable evidence of course and it may even be in line with the general direction of this poorly constructed one.

The single OK Thanks was let you know that I wasn't arguing with you, simply stating what my argument was instead of what you may have thought it was. So "OK Thanks" (your suggestion) was letting you know I didn't see any need to continue a discussion on that particular point unless you wanted to.

I don't think we really disagree that this "survey" isn't a particularly telling piece of evidence in and of itself do we?

Originally Posted by mercury99

That would also be a problem with this forum, since most of iPhone owners have never owned an Android phone still they allow themself bashing them.

Originally Posted by melgross

It's useful as any independent survey is. If a survey is commissioned by Apple, or Google, or Microsoft, I'm inclined to disregard it. Apple doesn't do that. I don't know if Google does, and MS does it all the time.

A lot of business, financial and even computer sites are quoting this survey. That makes me inclined to accept it. If a few posters here and there don't, it doesn't mean much to me if they are constantly disregarding things that show Apple in a good light, and the competition in a bad one. Don't you agree?

Originally Posted by melgross

If you are going to post garbage, I'm going to delete those posts. You can take that any way you want. Make an argument. But if you refer to crap like you did here about "your Apple god", you will be removed. If you can't show that you are old enough to post here, then you can't post here.

Got it?

Originally Posted by Gatorguy

So your question is a strawman IMO. The current debate is whether this survey's results, standing alone, can be considered valid for extrapolating a claim on the overall average Android/iOS anticipated retention rates. Surely publication by other blogs is not evidence of validity is it? You've already stated you don't trust surveys, even those repeated by several blog sites. Why do you suddenly trust this one?

Originally Posted by mercury99

Sorry, if I offended you. My point is that Apple fanboys always try to dismiss features iPhone lacks. But as soon as Apple offers these features (2 years later), everyone will make big deal out of it. "Got it?"

Originally Posted by melgross

The problem with many anti Apple "reviews" that I've seen are obviously from people who just don't want to see Apple get good word about anything. We've got some of those people here. We know who they are, because almost all of their posts are negative.

Originally Posted by mercury99

I would put it differently. There are some Apple fans who unconditionally applaud to everything Apple does. And there are some real Apple fans who can criticize Apple. They are not Apple haters, they are here out of frustration that Apple products can not meet their needs.

Originally Posted by TenoBell

You've taken what Mel said out its proper context. He said he would not trust surveys from Apple. Google, or MS. He did not say he does not trust any survey.

He also said these types of surveys are useful for trends. You want to argue the merits of the numbers themselves.

Originally Posted by TenoBell

I would describe that a bit differently to say we don't want features implemented the same way they are on other phones. We make a big deal of when Apple implements the feature better than other had done.

Originally Posted by TimmyDax

Most average users probably either presume their current android experience is optimal, or find it very hard to differentiate between nexus/samsung/motorola/HTC etc. This is less about blind dedication to a brand than it is loyalty to a particular ecosystem or interface, something these hardware makers have failed in, or android has failed them in. If android in fact decreases the stickiness of a hardware manufacturer's phones, the impetus to continue using it to power their phones over a custom solution is what, exactly? Ease? Look at where his has gotten PC manufacturers (think IBM, HP).

Originally Posted by Gatorguy

Hmm, interesting you'd consider this particular survey valid because it's posted elsewhere. Since this one was done in conjunction with a marketing plan put forth by the survey producer I'm surprised you'd not see the obvious redflags. Even 9to5 Mac writes that it's not something they necessarily put much stock in, and that's a strongly pro-Apple venue.

"The survey may not be terribly accurate due to a small sample size, but it helps understand market trends" is one of the more diplomatic views of the surveys trustworthiness/accuracy. Your link to a survey of several thousand by a source with no horse in the race (Nielsen) is the type that I personally consider more likely to have valid results. Thanks for that.

So your question is a strawman IMO. The current debate is whether this survey's results, standing alone, can be considered valid for extrapolating a claim on the overall average Android/iOS anticipated retention rates. Surely publication by other blogs is not evidence of validity is it? You've already stated you don't trust surveys, even those repeated by several blog sites. Why do you suddenly trust this one?

To answer your unrelated question (IMHO), yes I too tend to question posters who blindly support any particular company regardless of the news or subject.

Originally Posted by mercury99

So if I want a 4.5" screen iPhone, I don't see how Apple could implement it "differently" and "better than other"? (using technology available today, of course)

Yes, 3.5" is a good size for many people, but not for everyone. Why worlds biggest company can not release a couple more screen sizes? Eventually Apple will be forced to do that and then it will become a big deal.

Originally Posted by melgross

The only negative comment by them was that the sample is fairly small. That's not a negative. In a poll of that size, it's a plus or minus 4% accuracy level. That is, 4% of each number. So if a number is 39%, it would be plus or minus 4% of that. Not so bad. Even a poll of 100 people is usable if done properly. And accuracy accumulates. That means if several small polls are taken, the total accuracy is about equal of one poll that totals all of this polled in the individual polls. It isn't exactly that simple, of course, but the principle is correct.

And of course, you try to turn my words around. And I'm not talking about blog sites. I made it VERY clear that I was talking about business and financial sites. That's another thing you do. You change what's been said to make it seem as thought the information that disagrees with you is of less importance, when it usually is more.

And as you don't like small polls, don't quote anything under 3,000 people surveyed.

Originally Posted by OllieWallieWhiskers

all roads lead to the iPhone.

a) you get an iPhone you stick with it.
b) you get an Android handset, your next phone is an iPhone.
c) you get an iPhone, you want to try out Android next, then you go back to iPhone.

People think that Android is a viable alternative until they try it. Some people can deal with it, usually tech heads who like to tinker, but they are a small population.
Then, of course there are always those who would never buy anything Apple (which is a shrinking population).

Originally Posted by island hermit

You signed up to post that.. are you fucking kidding me!

Maybe you're trying to tell us something...

Originally Posted by mercury99

Of course, the future iPhone 4G would use "significantly less power", hardly any power at all

Originally Posted by mercury99

So if I want a 4.5" screen iPhone, I don't see how Apple could implement it "differently" and "better than other"? (using technology available today, of course)

Originally Posted by MacRulez

As addicted44 wrote: "Oh wait, there you go conflating phones with platform when it suits you...."

Originally Posted by overdue

Who exactly was polled? Existing iPhone users?! Of course the data is going to be skewed. Or was smartphone users? Or merely all CELLphone users?
At any rate, it's not new news that iPhone users love their iPhones and are unlikely to give them up.