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Whether it's an "iPhone 4S" or an "iPhone 5," new components show an updated iPhone with a design similar to the current-generation model, while the packaging for a third-party case refers to a "4S" model.

The latest next-generation iPhone components were leaked to Indian iPhone repair site iRepair.in and shared with AppleInsider. They show a front glass screen the same size and design as the currently available iPhone 4.

Internal components, however, suggest the screen is accompanied by new hardware, making it a version of the handset that has not yet been announced. One noticeable change is the forward-facing camera, as the ribbon cable connected to it has changed from a small L-shaped design to one that is longer and straight.

Also pictured is the dock connector assembly of the unreleased iPhone, featuring a slight change in the connector cable and connector pins from the iPhone 4 first released in 2010. The headphone jack and power button assembly unit has also been tweaked, with a slightly modified connector pin.

iRepair also leaked alleged "iPhone 4S" parts earlier this week, reportedly obtained from Shenzhen, China. The components were said to have come from someone who identified the phone as an "iPhone 4GS."









The new parts come as a third-party Otterbox case for a next-generation handset, labeled "iPhone 4S," were leaked on Thursday by iPhone hacker "Chronic." The case itself is not shown, but the back of the packaging appears to show the volume buttons on the right side of the device, above the SIM card slot. He also claimed that Otterbox has produced 3 million cases for its initial run for the "iPhone 4S."





Leading up to an anticipated event on Oct. 4 to introduce the new iPhone, rumors have been divided as to whether Apple's next-generation handset will be a radical redesign, or something that looks largely like the iPhone 4. A number of leaked parts, including those pictured here, have shown a design similar to the current iPhone, but some have speculated that it could be an upgraded model, dubbed an "iPhone 4S," that Apple intends to sell alongside the new iPhone 5.

A week ago, The New York Times reported that Apple will soon introduce a new iPhone with a "fairly different design," lending support to rumors that the next handset will be thinner and sport a new look from the current iPhone 4. However, this week one analyst claimed that Apple will release a single new iPhone this year as it has done in years past.
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Weird. Article no longer appears on the main page and doesn't load with the URL.

Take down notice or glitch?

Edit: looks like it is back up. Guess they took it down to add the extra picture.

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It's looking more and more likely that there will only be ONE model to showcase on Oct 4th.
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What Otterbox puts on their packaging couldn't possibly have anything to do with what Apple will actually name it though.

They may turn out to be right, but this is just a guess on their part and shouldn't be taken as indicative of anything, given that Apple doesn't release names of products to it's own employees prior to launch, let alone a case manufacturer.
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The giant hole for the camera in the Otterbox case picture is indicative to me that they are making a guess and don't know the exact specs of the next gen iPhone. If they knew something, shouldn't that camera hole be more exacting?
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The giant hole for the camera in the Otterbox case picture is indicative to me that they are making a guess and don't know the exact specs of the next gen iPhone. If they knew something, shouldn't that camera hole be more exacting?

I think the opening needs a wide margin to not interfere with the field of view since the material is rather thick.

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BULLPOPPY! What case has a slot for the SIM card?
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Either it's fake or the manufacturer has decided to make a (poor) gamble on the product name.

Because there isn't even slightest fraction of a chance that the name "4S" is used for the 5th generation iPhone running iOS 5. Even if it's the same design as iPhone 4 with improvements, it's going to be called the iPhone 5.
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What Otterbox puts on their packaging couldn't possibly have anything to do with what Apple will actually name it though.

They may turn out to be right, but this is just a guess on their part and shouldn't be taken as indicative of anything, given that Apple doesn't release names of products to it's own employees prior to launch, let alone a case manufacturer.

The reports mention that Otterbox did an initial run of 3 million units. That's an awfully big gamble to make on using the wrong name. It would a very expensive guess.

You are right, Apple doesn't release the name of new products to employees too early, but they do have to at some point prior to launch. If we really are just a few weeks from launch, then the boxes, packaging and collateral material will have to be being prepped now or very, very soon. And if Apple wants to ensure that there are compatible accessories upon launch, they also have to inform certain partners prior to actual launch. I have no idea if Otterbox or Speck are big enough players to qualify for that info.

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Either it's fake or the manufacturer has decided to make a (poor) gamble on the product name.

Because there isn't even slightest fraction of a chance that the name "4S" is used for the 5th generation iPhone running iOS 5. Even if it's the same design as iPhone 4 with improvements, it's going to be called the iPhone 5.

Lots of rumours mention two distinct models. An iPhone 5 doesn't mean no iPhone 4S.

All just rumours for now.

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It's looking more and more likely that there will only be ONE model to showcase on Oct 4th.

If we had to wait this long after the release of the iPhone 4 and all Apple gives us is some slightly redesigned iPhone 4, I'll be pissed. It would show Apple has gotten complacent and is getting dangerously close to dropping the ball.
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I think the opening needs a wide margin to not interfere with the field of view since the material is rather thick.

I misspoke. It's the Speck case that I was referring to:



The 2010 iPhone 4 case is on the left. The alleged 2011 iPhone case is on the right.

Mind that, if Apple does what it does in the past, they'll sell a $99 on-contract iPhone 4 in addition to the 2011 iPhone. A 2011 iPhone 4 was always in play, almost guaranteed. So, it's not as big a risk for the case makers. (They probably are on pins and needles about the volume button and ringer switch placement).
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If we had to wait this long after the release of the iPhone 4 and all Apple gives us is some slightly redesigned iPhone 4, I'll be pissed. It would show Apple has gotten complacent and is getting dangerously close to dropping the ball.

It can't go on forever, vis-a-vis a new iPhone form factor, case design every year. Change for the sake of change has dangers all on its own.

Eventually, it may be like the iMac, MBP, MBA or MP. We could see the same iPhone case design for 3 years in a row.
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If we had to wait this long after the release of the iPhone 4 and all Apple gives us is some slightly redesigned iPhone 4, I'll be pissed. It would show Apple has gotten complacent and is getting dangerously close to dropping the ball.

Unfortunately, that is very subjective. What would you classify as a slight redesign vs a significant makeover?

Would a completely new, redesigned form factor be enough to float your boat, even it that was just a cosmetic change? Better CPU? Double the flash? Double the memory? Bigger screen? 3D? 12 MP camera?

Everyone has different criteria for upgrading. Some need one feature/change, others need multiple, some need very minor, insignificant changes to justify an upgrade.

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The reports mention that Otterbox did an initial run of 3 million units. That's an awfully big gamble to make on using the wrong name. It would a very expensive guess.
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I don't think this changes my opinion. 3 million isn't that many and it only takes a few days at most to print boxes. I still don't think they hand out the name of the product to a case manufacturer. This might be one of those times when we see these for sale a week later with a "5" sticker pasted over the 4S part.
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I don't think this changes my opinion. 3 million isn't that many and it only takes a few days at most to print boxes. I still don't think they hand out the name of the product to a case manufacturer. This might be one of those times when we see these for sale a week later with a "5" sticker pasted over the 4S part.

Very possible. But I disagree on the 3 million not being very many. To a company like Otterbox that might be a gigantic run. 3 million of anything is a pretty big run.

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What Otterbox puts on their packaging couldn't possibly have anything to do with what Apple will actually name it though.

They may turn out to be right, but this is just a guess on their part and shouldn't be taken as indicative of anything, given that Apple doesn't release names of products to it's own employees prior to launch, let alone a case manufacturer.

I doubt it. If OtterBox is bragging that they have made a first run of 3 million units, and then they have allowed this packaging to be released, you can be sure that OtterBox knows something. It looks like Apple's pursuit of ssecrecy has been broken, and that OtterBox is sticking it to Apple. A brave move, as I am sure that OtterBox probably originally signed a legal Non Disclosure Agreement with Apple, regarding trade secrets and unreleased products by Apple. But then again, contracts are signed and trust is made to be broken. I'm glad that I finally know well before the product is announced and well before the public was supposed to have knowledge what the next iPhone model will be. I am gong to skip the '4S' and wait until the next major model is released, hopefully within the next 18 months. I can spend the money that I was saving for a new iPhone on Christmas gifts this year. Thank you, OtterBox.
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I don't understand the notion that a slight incremental upgrade to the iPhone after this "delay" is cause to question Apple's motives.

I'm of the belief that--whether there is just a 4S, just a 5, or both--the delay until October was mainly for iOS and iCloud, not for hardware changes. They've proven they can make significant hardware design changes within their usual yearly turnaround. But they don't want to release any new hardware without the significant OS update in tandem. In that situation the new hardware wouldn't seem necessary or seem like an upgrade to the general consumer if there weren't more OS capabilities to go along with it.

Bringing iCloud and all the other new capabilities into iOS is a big change and shows the need and reason for the "delay" that we're experiencing.
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Very possible. But I disagree on the 3 million not being very many. To a company like Otterbox that might be a gigantic run. 3 million of anything is a pretty big run.

Agreed. We printed some very similar packaging recently, not including the contents, and it cost us around 50 cents a piece for only 50,000 quantity run. Once you hit the 50K quantity there is not a lot of additional price per piece saving on volume there after. So yes it would be a pretty significant gamble especially when you consider that if they don't have inside info on the name they might not have the right specs for the product itself. Too big of a risk in my opinion.

They probably know the inside scoop. There are quite a few outside contractors required for a job like that, with many employees with lots of camera phones. Difficult to keep it under wraps. You can't get anything done if you have security guards frisking people down every 10 minutes. It is cost prohibitive for small to medium size companies to work under those conditions.

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I don't understand the notion that a slight incremental upgrade to the iPhone after this "delay" is cause to question Apple's motives.

I'm of the belief that--whether there is just a 4S, just a 5, or both--the delay until October was mainly for iOS and iCloud, not for hardware changes.

It may be because Verizon got the iPhone 4 late in the cycle and they probably have an agreement that the next version would be delayed to give Verizon a chance to make back some of the subsidies before having to give the uses an early upgrade discount.

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Cut to October 4th

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We've all been waiting for it! My career depends on it! You've been waiting 18 months for it! The most overly-hyped consumer electronic item since the world began! It's.... last year's phone with a slightly different dock connector!

{CRICKETS}

Seriously Apple, if the big (delayed) announcement is a slight upgrade to last year's model, people are gonna be pissed.... but they'll still line up to buy it anyway. Damn you Apple.
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I don't think this changes my opinion. 3 million isn't that many and it only takes a few days at most to print boxes. I still don't think they hand out the name of the product to a case manufacturer. This might be one of those times when we see these for sale a week later with a "5" sticker pasted over the 4S part.

They are probably printing in China so it would take more than a few days to redo the order. And putting stickers on boxes is not inexpensive either. A lot of man hours, un-crating all the pallets etc. Been there done that. Not something you want to have to do.

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They are probably printing in China so it would take more than a few days to redo the order. And putting stickers on boxes is not inexpensive either. A lot of man hours, un-crating all the pallets etc. Been there done that. Not something you want to have to do.

Also the fact that these are being shipped to the corporate ATT stores sad something. AT&T, I expect isn't going to stock a bunch of cases for a phone they don't know if they are getting. I expect if otterbox shipped in a bunch labeled "iPhone 65Q" that ATT would be obligated not just to rejected them but to never have ordered them.

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This is kind of disappointing, but let's just all face it, Otterbox has become a staple in the smartphone case market. I'm sure if they made that many and boldy put the name the are most likely RIGHT. And the closer it gets to announcement day all we are seeing are iPhone 4S parts.

My new theroy is that this whole other iPhone 5 stuff we thought was gunna happen is actually the iPod touch. Would make sense for it to have the metal back that is curved then goes flat. I just hope that after I buy this iPhone they don't go and drop a new one less than a year from this one. Cuz then I'm goin to be screwed without even an early upgrade.
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iPhone 5 is coming out. iPhone 4S replaces the iPhone 3GS as "entry-level". iPhone 5 is a somewhat modified design, will be kick-ass. iPhone 4S is a slightly modified iPhone 4.

Mah predictions.
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These companies don't know. But they do know that by guessing with fake cases they get featured in rumor sites, and get the attention they so desperately crave.
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These companies don't know. But they do know that by guessing with fake cases they get featured in rumor sites, and get the attention they so desperately crave.

Yeah, but Otterbox isn't some small freshman company desperate for attention. They've been making really great cases for a while, and are quite well known. If this ends up being a fake case, I only see their credibility being tainted because of it.

I'll be honest. Over the past 18 months I've seen a lot of really sweet looking Android phones, and have even considered taking the leap. Sure the interface and App library sucks, but I can get an Android plan for $30 cheaper per month. I can get 4G LTE. I've come close to switching over, but I've patiently waited to see what Apple brings to the table, and I don't think I'm alone. Apple needs to be competitive. If on October 4th they roll out the iPhone 4.1, and nothing else, people are gonna be pissed and might move over to Android.

18 months is a long time to develop a new phone, and if that phone ends up being a slight upgrade of the two year old model, consumers are going to lose confidence in you and start spending their money elsewhere.
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These companies don't know. But they do know that by guessing with fake cases they get featured in rumor sites, and get the attention they so desperately crave.

That would make sense and is exactly what case-mate might have done last week. But these cases are arriving in AT&T corporate stores. Do you think AT&T would have ordered these units if they know they aren't meant to fit any phone they carry or plan to carry? You think AT&T is going to waste resources receiving them, unpacking them storing them on a guess from Otterbox? These are not a few fakes that they release photos of for some attention. These are cases they have manufactured 3 million units of and have begun shipping into AT&T corporate stores.

Anything is possible. These could be their attempt at a guess and they convinced AT&T to order, pay for, receive and stock them, but that doesn't seem the most likely scenario.

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BULLPOPPY! What case has a slot for the SIM card?

Maybe that's not the SIM slot but the cable connector? There doesn't seem to be a slot for that on the bottom, so maybe they swapped it around? Would actually make sense if you want to play games on the device: hold it horizontally and have it plugged in for continuous power without having the cable in the way.
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It can't go on forever, vis-a-vis a new iPhone form factor, case design every year. Change for the sake of change has dangers all on its own.

Eventually, it may be like the iMac, MBP, MBA or MP. We could see the same iPhone case design for 3 years in a row.

I don't think it's the design which has to change, but the screen size. The iPhone screen, for a top end smart phone, is now the smallest out there by quite some margin. It competes more with mid to low end Android devices.

For Apple to regain their spot at the top, they need an iPhone with a much larger screen.
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I call bullshit. If it really was the "iPhone 4S" the logo would probably look like this....

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I call bullshit. If it really was the "iPhone 4S" the logo would probably look like this....


Could be. That is the way Otterbox packaging shows iPhone 3GS.

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I don't think it's the design which has to change, but the screen size. The iPhone screen, for a top end smart phone, is now the smallest out there by quite some margin. It competes more with mid to low end Android devices.

For Apple to regain their spot at the top, they need an iPhone with a much larger screen.


My thoughts exactly! You have to find $99 prepaid smartphones in the bargain bin to get comparable screen sizes. I've read rumors that Steve Jobs once pronounced 3.5" to be ideal, but that thinking has become antiquated in the last 4-5 years.

I love the iPhone concept, but my 3G is intolerably slow, so I will definitely be upgrading to SOMETHING next month. I have been spoiled by my iPad's screen size, and after playing with coworkers 4"+ screens at work, 3.5" just won't cut it for the next two years (not to mention the strain on my 43 year old eyes). Simply put, no bump in screen size, no more iPhone for me (maybe iPhone 6 or 7 some day if that changes). The new killer feature, voice commands, is not going to change that equation.

It's looking more and more like I'll be switching to a Galaxy S2 on Oct 4. It won't be as nice to use as an iPhone, but it will be 90% as good and will be available as soon as I decide.

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I heard Galaxy S2 was going to be banned for looking too much like iPhone 4.1S

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