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I don't know what is more frustrating, samsung's behavior day in and out these days, or the fact that apple-centric cites are filled with more people who blindly blame apple for everything than who can rationally dissect the information presented. The same people who constantly say apple tried to change evidence in a court case to obstruct the law based on the formatting of one picture in a huge lawsuit are now trying to defend this behavior where multiple products being advertised in their store have nothing to do with their company or products.

I guess success really does come with some serious baggage.
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post #122 of 256
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Quoted from the original AI article:
"A photo of the South Korean electronics giant's new mini-shop, located inside a Euronics store. . .

This makes it seem like Samsung had little o nothing to do with it. Great photo though. Whoever manages that kiosk is either an idiot or trying to capitalize on his company intentional similarities to the iPhone.
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Yesterday we received a Galaxy S device at work. It was on Woot for $180 and we needed an Android device for testing. When it arrived and I say the box it was in, the first thought in my mind (and it even slipped out of my mouth) as "what a ripoff". The box looked exactly like an iPhone of iPod Touch box. Yes the picture was slightly different, but the placement of everything was exactly the same. Even the picture on the front was the same size as an iPod Touch and had the same icons, etc. When we opened it, it was a little different just because it has a 5" screen instead of a 3.5" screen so it basically looks like someone dropped an iPhone 3GS into a "Honey I Grew the Kids" machine.

Even some of the apps on the phone have the same icons and the same feel. So yes, I think they have crossed a line and are trying to "free ride" on the marketing efforts of Apple.

1: You're talking about the galaxy s 5, a PMP and not a phone. A device that wasn't really available ANYWHERE until it popped up on Woot. This means it likely never was approved for commercial release and whoever sold it on Woot just was getting rid of the stock.

Touchwiz3 (what's one there) is a bit too far when it comes to look and feel. But touchwiz devices are only a small percentage of devices Apple is alleging that infringe. Heck, they're not even going after all of the touchwiz devices. (they left Bada devices alone, which are TOUCHWIZ phones made by samesung, but said the Transform, a stock android slider, violated their IP)
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I wasn't sure about his agenda but when he said that one car manufacturer could copy another car manufacturer as closely as Samsung has copied Apple (GT 10.1 vs iPad 2) without repercussions, then I knew he was absolutely full of bullshit.

Yeah, he'll say anything.

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Yeah, he'll say anything.

Oh, look, Gatorguy isn't doing so well, so they sent in Menno.

No. no , no... Gatorguy wasn't supposed to work this weekend but Menno slept in...
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This makes it seem like Samsung had little o nothing to do with it. Great photo though. Whoever manages that kiosk is either an idiot or trying to capitalize on his company intentional similarities to the iPhone.

Oh, but Gatorguy is the retail genius that said that these sorts of things don't happen in the retail world... everyone is totally aware of the products they are buying and no deception takes place.
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post #127 of 256
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Store within a Store... Storeception (sorry, couldn't resist)

An App Store icon with in a Store with a Store... (cue the Hans Zimmer soundtrack)

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Anything within the wooden floor is Samsung's.

Everything else beyond it, it not part of Samsung.

Therefore, these accusations are frivolous.

Get some critical thinking skills rolling before jumping to emotional conclusions people.

This was taken out of context.

I wouldnt be suprised if there is another kiosk to the right of this section that also sells smartphones.

The purpose of the apps icon walls for this store was to highlight that this part of the store is for smartphones, and smartphones that can run apps.

If people wants to point blames, blame the store not Samsung for putting up similar looking icons behind on the wall.

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post #129 of 256
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Originally Posted by Galbi View Post

Anything within the wooden floor is Samsung's.

OH, stop, stop! This is just too freaking much, you guys. I haven't laughed this hard since before college ruined me.

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Everything else beyond it, it not part of Samsung.

Apple sure put those icons up. Yep. Apple guys came into this plaza, walked right on up to the new Samsung store, and started putting icons up.

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Get some critical thinking skills rolling before jumping to emotional conclusions people.



OH! And thanks for using MY image and not the one from the story.

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post #130 of 256
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OH, stop, stop! This is just too freaking much, you guys. I haven't laughed this hard since before college ruined me.



Apple sure put those icons up. Yep. Apple guys came into this plaza, walked right on up to the new Samsung store, and started putting icons up.





OH! And thanks for using MY image and not the one from the story.


I'm sorry about using your image. I concede that, however, your other arguments lack credibility.

Who said Apple walked up to the store and started posting icons? Thats right: nobody. Only in your clouded mind does it say that since your world revolved around Apple to begin with. It is obvious to everyone on the internet that this ISNT an Apple store. This is a third party retail store that also houses Samsung's "in store" kiosk of sort. Whatever is on the walls are the responsibility of the 3rd party store, not Samsung or Apple. I'm not sure if you've ever worked in retail before, but the location of where to put these kiosks is also the decision made by the 3rd party retailer, not Samsung.

P.S. On second thought, since AI doesnt like to quote sources or provide links, why should the users on the forums credit the sources as well?
I was just following unspoken protocol.

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post #131 of 256
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Who said Apple walked up to the store and started posting icons? Thats right: nobody. Only in your clouded mind does it say that since your world revolved around Apple to begin with. It is obvious to everyone on the internet that this ISNT an Apple store. This is a third party retail store that also houses Samsung's "in store" kiosk of sort. Whatever is on the walls are the responsibility of the 3rd party store, not Samsung or Apple. I'm not sure if you've ever worked in retail before, but the location of where to put these kiosks is also the decision made by the 3rd party retailer, not Samsung.



Go to the store. Now. RIGHT. NOW. Buy some sarcasm. Please, for all our sakes.

That's not even funny. That's just sad.

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post #132 of 256
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Go to the store. Now. RIGHT. NOW. Buy some sarcasm. Please, for all our sakes.

That's not even funny. That's just sad.

Lets stick to the main point here: Can you prove, just using this picture that the app icons were done by Samsung and not the 3rd party retailer?

I have shown you that the app icons are NOT part of Samsung's display because of the

1) wooden floor

2) partition on the display wall sticking out

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Oh look! a new baby troll. Isn't he cute?

Anybody have a milk bottle. Need a strong nipple though. I hear they bite.

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post #134 of 256
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All jellous: Samsung = next Apple! Iphone made in Korea (of Korean components), using Samsung CPU. Apple steal IP from Samsung, VIA, S3. Apple will lose lawsuit, pay billions!

I assume you are joking because nobody could possibly be this dumb.

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post #135 of 256
Honestly, it doesn't matter if Samsung had a crack team of designers who were ready to post Apple logos at a moment's notice, or if a couple of bored stock boys at this store cut and pasted some icons they had on hand and hand-tacked them to the back wall.

It's Samsung's space. It's their name on it, it's THEIR RESPONSIBILTY. They broke it, they bought it.

How hard is this to understand?
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This is possible. Too bad we just couldn't go to the shop ourselves to see.

But checks out 9to5 guys. It's just hilarious. USB Power adapter.
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

This is absolute fantasy. You don't have any idea how retail works it seems. You are just grasping at straws for excuses here.

Excuses for what? Asking questions?Seems that's the only issue.


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So if you are searching for alternative explanations, it's far more likely that the single bored employee in charge of the store just printed out a bunch of logos on A4 paper, cut them out and stuck them on the back wall because they had nothing better to do all day.

They probably thought, "Hey, Let's make one of those 'wall of apps' displays I've seen pictures of."

Your explanation is a possibility too. There's lots of possibilities, which is why you ask questions. All these guesses as to who did what, or what belongs to who, or what's licensed or not are just that. . . Guesses. If there was an answer to most of the questions I originally posted, then we'd all know much more. I'm not sure why some are so insistent they know the whole story, and "don'need no stinkin'answers"
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post #138 of 256
Samsung just unveiled their new company logo today. It looks like this:



And no, it's not the same as Apple's logo at all. It's .0001 inch smaller than Apple's logo and the silver color is just a shade darker. Apple didn't invent the Apple fruit, and it's purely a coincidence that Samsung also chose the same logo. If Apple sues Samsung for this, they're really being retarded.

Honestly, I'm not an Apple hater, I have 3 iPhone 4's, 2 iPod Touches, 4 iPad 2's and a basement full of Macs, so nobody better accuse me of being an Android troll. But I swear, I will never ever buy an Apple product again. Apple is being totally unreasonable in going after Samsung. Is Apple afraid of competition?
post #139 of 256
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Whoever manages that kiosk is either an idiot or trying to capitalize on his company intentional similarities to the iPhone.

. . . and apparently the similarities to McDonald's, NASA, Skype , CNN and several others too.
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That's absurd.

Intellectual property needs to be respected. When preparing a display like this, everyone involved has the responsibility to ensure that they have permission for ALL the graphics they use - not just the ones that they think will sue them.

And you already know that there were no releases for those logos that were used?
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And you already know that there were no releases for those logos that were used?

We know that Apple wouldn't give Samsung the rights to their App Store and Safari logos…

…since we have a modicum of common sense, yes.

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post #142 of 256
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And you already know that there were no releases for those logos that were used?

I never said that there were.

You implied that it was OK for them to use the other logos because they weren't competing. I was simply showing that to be false. You need permission to use someone's trademark - whether you're in competition or they're your best buddy. Obviously, it's easier to get permission in the latter case and they might not sue you for infringement, but legally you still need permission.
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post #143 of 256
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That's absurd.

Intellectual property needs to be respected. When preparing a display like this, everyone involved has the responsibility to ensure that they have permission for ALL the graphics they use - not just the ones that they think will sue them.

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And you already know that there were no releases for those logos that were used?

Gatorguy your comment isn't relevant to what he is saying and you know it. You are being your typical troll self.

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post #144 of 256
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I wasn't sure about his agenda but when he said that one car manufacturer could copy another car manufacturer as closely as Samsung has copied Apple (GT 10.1 vs iPad 2) without repercussions, then I knew he was absolutely full of bullshit.

You mean like Hyundai's Vera Cruz was copied from the Lexus RX350? That kind of copying? http://www.autosite.com/content/shar...le_id_int/3473
http://articles.sfgate.com/2007-06-2...us-third-row/2

Or the Equus is a photo-copy of the LS?
http://lexusenthusiast.com/2011/01/2...-ls-photocopy/

Or that nearly every luxury brand is copying whatever is successful from their competition?
http://www.city-data.com/forum/autom...-brands-2.html

And all with no repercussions, no lawsuits, and their reputations for building premium/luxury autos that buyers want still intact too.
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Gatorguy your comment isn't relevant to what he is saying and you know it. You are being your typical troll self.

Of course it's relevant.

At the same time, his followup explains that I mistook the implication of his post.

He's right that before production, professional designers/creators should confirm that releases are in hand for any copyrighted or trademarked elements that will be recreated. I do that almost daily. Intellectual property should be respected. Therefore it's more likely than not, assuming that professional designers were used, that releases were in hand before those logos were reproduced. But it's possible they don't worry about that in Italy as much as they do here in the US.

Therefor it may be that Samsung does not control the back wall of the Euronics store where a Samsung product display is set up, and it's Euronics who has the releases. Samsung may only have the wood pad under lease, and from the photo that would appear to be the case. Tallest Skil is probably correct that Apple would not have granted Samsung use of those Apple logos, tho even that is not 100% guaranteed. So does Euronics, the store owner/mall lessee, have those? We don't know.

That's why there's questions. Again, why is asking questions for clarifying who and what an issue for anyone?
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post #146 of 256
Does safari run on any android phones or tablets?

Don't local stores get their promotional materials from a regional office? I rather doubt that the local store went to a kinko's and came up with an ad campaign.

So maybe someone in Italy can check out other stores within a store and see if they have the same wall paper.
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Does safari run on any android phones or tablets?

Is that a joke?

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I never said that there were.

You implied that it was OK for them to use the other logos because they weren't competing. I was simply showing that to be false. You need permission to use someone's trademark - whether you're in competition or they're your best buddy. Obviously, it's easier to get permission in the latter case and they might not sue you for infringement, but legally you still need permission.

Understood. Sorry for my initial assumption. But the post you were referring to was not intended to imply copying logos without permission was OK. I was saying that regardless of permission to use the logos, Samsung should probably make an effort to have those particular Apple logos removed from view of the Samsung display, even if they are the property of and produced for the Euronics store.
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post #149 of 256
Yep so people really do believe the implausible.
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You mean like Hyundai's Vera Cruz was copied from the Lexus RX350? That kind of copying? http://www.autosite.com/content/shar...le_id_int/3473
http://articles.sfgate.com/2007-06-2...us-third-row/2

Or the Equus is a photo-copy of the LS?
http://lexusenthusiast.com/2011/01/2...-ls-photocopy/

Or that nearly every luxury brand is copying whatever is successful from their competition?
http://www.city-data.com/forum/autom...-brands-2.html

And all with no repercussions, no lawsuits, and their reputations for building premium/luxury autos that buyers want still intact too.

The difference, of course, is that the luxury car manufacturers do not have patents on their designs.

(Not to mention that the similarity between the Equus and LS is not all that great. Look at the rear ends of the cars).
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The difference, of course, is that the luxury car manufacturers do not have patents on their designs.

(Not to mention that the similarity between the Equus and LS is not all that great. Look at the rear ends of the cars).

I don't know if they get do any design patents or any other form of IP protection. If not then I suppose they don't see it being beneficial to do so. Certainly it's legal to protect their significant investments in design? Perhaps they do, but just want to involve themselves in ongoing back and forth claims of "you copied me" followed by "no you copied me first" and "yeah, who says". I could see that as something the car industry, or other industry, might decide hurts more than helps their image.

Well here ya go. Some info on automotive EU design patents. Didn't see anything for the US in a quick search.
http://www.ladas.com/BULLETINS/2006/...UDesigns.shtml

EDIT2: Yes the car industry files design patents in the US.
http://www.patentlyo.com/patent/2009...y-bailout.html
http://octechinnovation.com/2010/04/...at-no-d612768/
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post #152 of 256
..150 posts about such a non-issue. Untie your knickers already...
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FACT: Samsung is trying to mislead buyers into thinking they're buying an iPhone.

Samsung is a shameless copycat and everyone knows it. JUST F'IN ADMIT IT.
post #155 of 256
The Five Stages of Fandroid Acceptance
1. It's not a Samsung store
2. We don't know enough
3. It can't be real
4. I'm just asking questions
5. It doesn't look like safari icons
6. Samsung has nothing to do with it
7. Samsung can't know everything it does

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The difference, of course, is that the luxury car manufacturers do not have patents on their designs.

(Not to mention that the similarity between the Equus and LS is not all that great. Look at the rear ends of the cars).

Actually, the similarities between the examples provided is quite great... so I give him that... but it does say that Gatorguy firmly believes that Samsung did copy Apple, otherwise there's no need for these comparisons. (plus the fact, as you mentioned, there were any design patents in both auto cases)

So, then I have to ask... what are Gatorguy's objections if he admits that Samsung copied Apple. It seems to be based on some personal belief that because the car companies didn't sue then Apple has no right to sue... even though he admits that Samsung copied Apple. His personal belief is obviously not based on any legal expertise or knowledge of design patents, otherwise the German court wouldn't have granted an injunction.

I, like Gatorguy, also firmly believe that Samsung copied Apple but my reasons are based on the idea that Apple knows something that Samsung has done but can't prove... similar to the time that Hyundai landed a Toyota engineer that also brought a ton of documents with him on Toyota's quality control methods... but, fortunately for Toyota, they were able to prove that Hyundai was using the stolen documents and they were returned... some have said, though, that they were returned only after they were copied. This might explain why Hyundai had such improvement in their quality during and after those years.

So, unlike the Hyundai vs Toyota case, Apple knows something is rotten with Samsung and is now using the only available channel they can to put Samsung on its heels. Just my belief.
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The Five Stages of Fandroid Acceptance
1. It's not a Samsung store
2. We don't know enough
3. It can't be real
4. I'm just asking questions
5. It doesn't look like safari icons
6. Samsung has nothing to do with it
7. Samsung can't know everything it does


Here are some facts for someone who lives in Italy a direct quote:


"The store is Euronics of Catania, Italy (an electronic shop similar to America's Best Buy).

The wall deco belongs to Euronics, not to Samsung.

Euronics has been decorating their walls with trademarked logos for some time.

The original article is from the Italian press and actually focuses on the interesting "coincide' of both Samsung store-in-store and Apple store opening on the same day in the same mall.

This is just another example of unprofessional Samsung bashing article from an Apple fanboy."

Read more: http://news.cnet.com/8301-1023_3-201...#ixzz1YudskrKX


Unless, people have actually visited this store, no one has the right to throw out any accusations.

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Samsung just unveiled their new company logo today. It looks like this:



And no, it's not the same as Apple's logo at all. It's .0001 inch smaller than Apple's logo and the silver color is just a shade darker. Apple didn't invent the Apple fruit, and it's purely a coincidence that Samsung also chose the same logo. If Apple sues Samsung for this, they're really being retarded.

Honestly, I'm not an Apple hater, I have 3 iPhone 4's, 2 iPod Touches, 4 iPad 2's and a basement full of Macs, so nobody better accuse me of being an Android troll. But I swear, I will never ever buy an Apple product again. Apple is being totally unreasonable in going after Samsung. Is Apple afraid of competition?

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But I swear, I will never ever buy an Apple product again. Apple is being totally unreasonable in going after Samsung. Is Apple afraid of competition?

I like how you managed to hide that.

Not sure what's more disturbing. That you've said this when you're blatantly wrong in your position or that you felt you had to hide it.

Unless that's also a continuation of your joke, in which case, good on you; you're a better troll than the real ones. Certainly got me.

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What about the dock connector clone in Samsung tablets:



I recently saw the latest Blackberry power adaptor:



Obviously they took Apple's iOS device power adaptor design, but decided that moving the USB port to the side absolved them of lawsuit. It's poor taste, but they were thinking about it. They also made it curvy. Samsung on the other hand did what? Made the power adaptor black and used a slightly different radius on the corner. Poor poor taste.
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