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Originally Posted by Mholtz2323 View Post

The iPhone 5 has a 4 inch screen, 8 mp camera, a5 chip and has a slightly tapered design.

Except not only do you not know that, you can't POSSIBLY know that.

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Originally Posted by Patranus View Post

Apple would be stupid to announce the 4S after the splash Amazon made today.

Having absolutely nothing to do with smartphones and serving a completely different market.

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post #42 of 71
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

It's based off the original, which is the troll face throwing up troll faces.

I tried to find that and suggest it as an alternative (because you can't post a picture of a political figure without someone being offended), but I couldn't, which I found strange.

That's mature.

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Yes we are all Android loving trolls who are concerned about Apples new releases.

You are the worst kind of commentator here. Apple is never wrong. If Apple released the iPhone 4 with a 10% bump in processor speed you would be ecstatic.

We can be fans of Apple and criticse them. If all their design team has done in a year and a half is add a new camera and a new processor - which takes no design skills , in fact - then criticism is warranted. I was at a lunch today where nobody had an iPhone though sone used to. People move between models. An iPhone 4 copy with a new processor will change none of these peoples buying decisions
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I hope it's a brand new model (larger screen). Otherwise this "Let's talk iPhone" will be a very short conversation.

Agreed. There is far too much competition for Apple not to introduce a major redesign/upgrade on Tues. Prob a 4" screen, with a super thin "unibody" aluminum, tapered chassis. Basically what most tech bloggers have predicted for a while now.

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Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

Yep. I will just keep using my Samsung Focus running Mango and buy an iPad for my iOS needs. I NEED a 4 inch screen (old eyes). Nothing bigger, just 4 inches.

I guess we will see (excuse the pun).

Focus is a damn fine device. I still have yet to receive my Mango update..
post #43 of 71
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Originally Posted by realitycheck69 View Post

Only one phone=4s=failure.

You seem to be borne out by the surveys, which say that an iPhone 5 would be bought by a whopping 40% of ALL CELLPHONE USERS in North America, while a 4S would get less than 15%.

Of course, given that the i4 currently has about a 4% market penetration worldwide, 15% ain't too shabby.
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Only one phone=4s=failure.

How so?
post #45 of 71
Gruber mentioned today that the tapered design was a bad idea in landscape, with weight distribution and thickness. Thinking about it I agree with him.

Its gonna look like the iphone 4.... which is still great looking.
post #46 of 71
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Originally Posted by Boogerman2000 View Post

That's mature.

I think you're reading that wrong.

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Agreed. There is far too much competition for Apple not to introduce a major redesign/upgrade on Tues.

Competition from the zero phones that sell more models than the two and a half year old iPhone 3GS?

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post #47 of 71
I think the "1" alert icon just represents the invite (as a message left by Apple).
But if it's meant to be a clue, I would say it could be a clue to a Version 1.0 of something completely new for iPhone!
post #48 of 71
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Originally Posted by bbydon View Post

How so?

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The same survey suggests that customer interest will be significantly lower in case Apple announces a softer iPhone update, akin to the 3GS version of the iPhone that Apple released in 2009. In this instance fewer than 15% of mobile users would buy such a device.

Amazing numbers. An i5 would get 40%.
post #49 of 71
You could read anything you like into the "1" on the phone icon. Personally, I am reading into it that there will no longer be two versions of the iPhone (one for Verizon and one for AT&T) and instead the new iPhone 5 will work with CDMA and GSM (and possibly LTE as well).
post #50 of 71
I do hope apple is listening to all you experts, as they obviously have no idea how to run their company. People create rumors, guess at launch dates, then create delays, problems where none exist as nothing has been announced.

Apple will state on the fourth what the new product is, heck, these rumor mills couldn't even get guesses on the new kindle correct, so u don't have a hope with the new iDevices.

How about all you so called experts criticising the most successful company on the planet just wait for the announcement, and stop criticising based on supposition, ignorance and arrogance.

Of course then you'll all complain about how disappointed you are and how apple is doomed. (tm). Just as you did when the ipod was announced, the iphone was announced and the ipad was announced, it's boring, repetitive and predictable. And somehow apple is worth mkre than any company on the planet.

Please stop mistaking your guesswork and opinion as fact, it's quite tedious
post #51 of 71
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Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

Yep. I will just keep using my Samsung Focus running Mango and buy an iPad for my iOS needs. I NEED a 4 inch screen (old eyes). Nothing bigger, just 4 inches.

I guess we will see (excuse the pun).

I see, because the difference between a 3.7 display with the highest resolution on the market place is so much smaller and more difficult to read than a 4 inch display with a third less pixels...?
post #52 of 71
I have never seen the point of two iPhones. The iPhone 4 is selling well. The iPhone 5 will probably beat that. So why would Apple bother updating the iPhone 4. Just ride that pony for another year.
post #53 of 71
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Originally Posted by Patranus View Post

Apple would be stupid to announce the 4S after the splash Amazon made today.

Why? What does a smartphone announcement have to do with a tablet announcement?
post #54 of 71
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Similarly, John Gruber of Daring Fireball offered his own commentary on Tuesday after the invitations went out: "Something tells me there's only one new iPhone," the well-sourced author wrote.

Quit tossing Gruber off.
Citing unnamed sources with limited but direct knowledge of a rumoured device - Comedy Insider (Feb 2014)
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post #55 of 71
The one would be, the chip that will finally make the iPhone the one true '1 World Phone'.
post #56 of 71
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Originally Posted by Jetz View Post

I have never seen the point of two iPhones. The iPhone 4 is selling well. The iPhone 5 will probably beat that. So why would Apple bother updating the iPhone 4. Just ride that pony for another year.

For sure. There was that rumour of the cheaper non-glass back casing for the iP4 a while back, apart from that I wouldn't see the need to do change anything to have it as the lower-end model.
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post #57 of 71
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Originally Posted by bbydon View Post

How so?

How many OTHER smartphones with a 3.5" or smaller screen are available new on AT&T or Verizon or Sprint right now that aren't also half-keyboard (a-la Blackberry)?

Give up?

Verizon: 5 out of 22, all less than $100 on contract; no marquee phone less than 4" (most 4.3).
Sprint: 5 out of 14, all less than $100 on contract.
AT&T: 5 out of 16, and 4 are sliders, with most costing between 0 and 1 cent.

Look, I can only speak for myself - not surveys or marketing or whether "the most successful company in the world" can do no wrong. For me, there is no longer sufficient iOS advantage to outweigh using an outmoded screen size from a competitor. I love the way Apple builds products and the design of iOS, but I have many, many, many more choices now than I did two years ago. My fingers can barely fit on the 3.5" screen for pinch-zooming, and my eyes have been ravaged by 20 years in IT, so if we see another iPhone 4 on Tuesday, I'll probably pick up a Galaxy S2 by Friday.

(details of quick survey - 3.5" or smaller screens - a.k.a. "The Bargain Bin":
Verizon
- LG Equilibrium $80
- Motorola Citrus $0
- Samsung Continuum $50
- Palm Pre 2 $50
- LG V-something $40

Sprint
- Kyocera Milano $50
- HTC Evo Shift $50(?)
- LG Optimus $40
- Samsung Conquer $99.99
- Samsung Transform $50

AT&T
- LG Quantum $50
- HP Veer $0.01 (slider)
- LG Phoenix $0.01
- Pantech Crossover $0 (slider)
- Sharp FX $0 (slider)
- Blackberry Torch $30 (slider)
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post #58 of 71
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Originally Posted by LarryA View Post

For me, there is no longer sufficient iOS advantage to outweigh using an outmoded screen size from a competitor.

And if it's larger than 3.5", I'll never buy one. It will never be outmoded for me. Larger screens are 'outmoded'.

To each his own.

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post #59 of 71
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And the next model of iPhone is a new product. Or maybe that's not good enough for you. Maybe you DESERVE to have two models of iPhone. Maybe Apple OWES IT TO YOU to make something 100% new every single time.

You people are making me very, VERY incredulous.

Look, forget it. You're all trolls anyway.

What is your deal Skil? Can you just not tolerate anything but blind adoration for your Lord and Master Steve or what? People aren't saying they deserve anything. What they, and I, are saying is that if this new model isn't an upgrade that puts the line on par with what is already on the market from Apple's competitors (larger screen, 8mp camera, at least HSPA+ but ideally LTE) then they are likely to either not upgrade this year, or go with a competing model that DOES have the features they want. There is nothing wrong with that viewpoint, as that is normally how the retail market works. I'm usually a Samsung guy when it comes to TV's, but last Christmas I found a great TV from Sharp that had the same size screen and similar if not better image quality, but also offered built in wifi, all for the same price as the closest model from Sammy. Guess which one I bought?

If you want to be a devout Apple customer, that is fine, but you don't argue your point logically or reasonably. Instead, you act like rabid fanboy, incensed that anyone would dare not blindly throw their money at anything with the Apple logo stamped on it, and attack them personally instead of discussing their points like an adult capable of rational thought. YOU, skil, are the troll, and you need to either start playing nice, or back off. I come here to discuss Apple products and news, not argue with an immature obsessed zealot.
post #60 of 71
Apple will release an iPhone 5 to go along with iOS 5 - a major revision. Remember, Apple likes to keep things simple for the most part. Aligning the number/version of the phone with the version of iOS that it runs only seems logical.

It just makes simple sense.

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post #61 of 71
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I see, because the difference between a 3.7 display with the highest resolution on the market place is so much smaller and more difficult to read than a 4 inch display with a third less pixels...?

Having the highest resolution in the market doesn't guarantee that it's the easiest to read. A lot of text is not resolution independent so smaller dots on the screen means the text gets physically smaller. Something that I can read when the letters are 6mm high may be difficult to read if drawn only 4mm high.

If I have to get out reading glasses to use your device it's absolutely guaranteed that I won't buy it.
post #62 of 71
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Originally Posted by Bregalad View Post

Having the highest resolution in the market doesn't guarantee that it's the easiest to read. A lot of text is not resolution independent so smaller dots on the screen means the text gets physically smaller. Something that I can read when the letters are 6mm high may be difficult to read if drawn only 4mm high.

Very true. That is why people like the bigger screens on the newest Android phones. When they zoom up to 6mm, the image still fits on the page. On a phone with a small screen, it scrolls off the edge.

The Retina display is great, but if Apple made it regular sized (for today's market) it would be even better. The 4mm text is tiny, and the screen is not big enough to accommodate much zoom. That is likely one reason why so many more people prefer Android phones.
post #63 of 71
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Very true. That is why people like the bigger screens on the newest Android phones. When they zoom up to 6mm, the image still fits on the page. On a phone with a small screen, it scrolls off the edge.

The Retina display is great, but if Apple made it regular sized (for today's market) it would be even better. The 4mm text is tiny, and the screen is not big enough to accommodate much zoom. That is likely one reason why so many more people prefer Android phones.

I agree that a larger screen is needed, but I also don't like Android phones. So, right now I am rocking a Samsung Focus WP7. I cannot go back to a 3.5 inch screen. Old eyes! I like Mango and can use it for a while until Apple updates the screen size.
post #64 of 71
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

And if it's larger than 3.5", I'll never buy one. It will never be outmoded for me. Larger screens are 'outmoded'.

To each his own.

NEVER BUY ONE? It's always a bad idea to make blanket statements. Better start stocking up on iPhone 4's then, because sooner or later, Apple will increase the size of the screen.
post #65 of 71
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I see, because the difference between a 3.7 display with the highest resolution on the market place is so much smaller and more difficult to read than a 4 inch display with a third less pixels...?

Drop the sarcasm. First, the iPhone 4 has a 3.5 inch screen, not a 3.7 inch screen. And yes, it is much easier to read a 4 inch screen. That higher resolution isn't doing a bit of good unless you are zooming in.
post #66 of 71
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Originally Posted by Boogerman2000 View Post

Focus is a damn fine device. I still have yet to receive my Mango update..

I prefer Apple's method of releasing the update everyone at the same time versus MS/carriers limiting the release of Mango. Here is a trick:

1. Plug your Focus into Zune (I think Windows Connector works too).
2. Check for update.
3. If there is no update found, hit okay.
4. Check for update again, BUT unplug your internet IMMEDIATELY. Wait up to 30 seconds.
5. Poof. Your phone and Zune says there is an update. Hit update.
6. Do this a couple of times depending on how many updates you need to get to Mango. Mine was a new phone so it took 2(?) updates.
post #67 of 71
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What they, and I, are saying is that if this new model isn't an upgrade that puts the line on par with what is already on the market from Apple's competitors (larger screen, 8mp camera, at least HSPA+ but ideally LTE) then they are likely to either not upgrade this year, or go with a competing model that DOES have the features they want. There is nothing wrong with that viewpoint

As to the end, you're absolutely right. I have no problem with people wanting upgraded specs on the next iPhone.

But as to the beginning, if you'd read my post, what you'd see is a complaint about how people are demanding two brand new devices. Which I think falls under 'sense-of-entitlementy' nonsense.

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because sooner or later, Apple will increase the size of the screen.

There's absolutely no proof of this. It's not the race we had in the naughties with LCD monitor sizes.

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post #68 of 71
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There's absolutely no proof of this. It's not the race we had in the naughties with LCD monitor sizes.

So you are going on the record as stating that Apple will NEVER increase the screen size of the iPhone? That IF the iPhone is still around in 10 years it will still have a 3.5 inch screen...really...is that what you are trying to imply?

Wow....just.....wow.
post #69 of 71
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So you are going on the record as stating that Apple will NEVER increase the screen size of the iPhone?

LOL, because obviously I said that. Nice try.

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post #70 of 71
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LOL, because obviously I said that. Nice try.

My post:
because sooner or later, Apple will increase the size of the screen.

You:
There's absolutely no proof of this. It's not the race we had in the naughties with LCD monitor sizes.
post #71 of 71
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

And the next model of iPhone is a new product. Or maybe that's not good enough for you. Maybe you DESERVE to have two models of iPhone. Maybe Apple OWES IT TO YOU to make something 100% new every single time.



You people are making me very, VERY incredulous.

Look, forget it. You're all trolls anyway.


read the rest of my post. i dont feel i DESERVE anything from apple. i dont even understand how you came to that conclusion. i also expressed a similar opinion to yours regarding the fact they dont have to come out with new devices all the time and that upgrades of current products are a good thing. in my opinion, they would be well suited to introduce a new device after more than a year.
but those are just my opinions. no need to call me a troll typewriter tough guy. you post more on this site than i do.... have a good one.
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