Steve Jobs contacted Samsung in 2010 to resolve Apple patent dispute - Page 3

Originally Posted by lamewing

Enlighten us then ...

Originally Posted by dangcookie

Trust me, you are correct in your logic, but wrong in how it actually plays out. The number 2 man in our company visited our office last month, and sat down with our Web dept lead (my boss), with a keen interest in getting tips about it "iPhone." Turns out he didn't have an iPhone. It was (shocker) an Android-powered phone. He had ZERO idea. There are a lot of (older, perhaps) people who are in fact buying these "smart" phones with zero understanding of the differentiation. They know through word-of-mouth that the iPhone is the gold standard, but somehow they are talked into another option at the point of purchase. Still, they think they have an iPhone. Totally illogical, but rampant. I know it's hard, but -- deep breath -- let your argument go.

Originally Posted by jragosta

Nonsense. While there are plenty of geeks who are well-informed, there are also lots of other people who aren't. I had someone show me their new 'iphone' last month - which turned out to be one of the Samsung copies. Samsung's entire marketing plan seems to revolve around creating confusion in the market place and making people think that they're getting an iPhone - or at least that Samsung's phones take advantage of all the things that iPhones do like iTunes.

Originally Posted by dangcookie

Trust me, you are correct in your logic, but wrong in how it actually plays out. The number 2 man in our company visited our office last month, and sat down with our Web dept lead (my boss), with a keen interest in getting tips about it "iPhone." Turns out he didn't have an iPhone. It was (shocker) an Android-powered phone. He had ZERO idea. There are a lot of (older, perhaps) people who are in fact buying these "smart" phones with zero understanding of the differentiation. They know through word-of-mouth that the iPhone is the gold standard, but somehow they are talked into another option at the point of purchase. Still, they think they have an iPhone. Totally illogical, but rampant. I know it's hard, but -- deep breath -- let your argument go.

Originally Posted by smaceslin

While I may have misspoke when stating an 'Order' was issued, I would still not be surprised (though I don't know for a fact) that Steve's legal team asked Samsung to 'cease and desist'. Calling this statement idiotic is both rude and uncalled for in this forum. This is supposed to be a place where opinions can be made without someone being rude.

Originally Posted by lamewing;
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OMG. People are NOT BEING TRICKED into buying a Samsung phone thinking it is an Apple product.

1. The phones are not the same size as in the picture.
2. The Samsung phone has "Samsung" on the front.
3. The main OS on the Samsung doesn't look like iOS. Only the app drawer has a grid of icons.
4. People DO UNDERSTAND that these are not iPhones and many people WANT this phone.

I am sorry, I like my iPhone and Win7 phone, and will not use an Android phone...BUT come on...you sound like a broken record. That Samsung phone looks no more like an iPhone than the Honda Insight looks like the Prius. Similar, but not the same. Unfortunately for Honda, they chose to copy the Prius look hoping that people would believe that is what a Hybrid should look like. Sales figures show otherwise.

You really must have a very low opinion of the people (around the world) if you believe they are so stupid as to be duped into buying a Samsung, thinking it is an Apple product.

Originally Posted by gwlaw99

How many TVs aren't black? There is a good reason for this as perceived contrast is higher. Even insinuating Apple has a design patent on a black bezzel is absurd. Can you imagine TV companies suing each other because they are all black glossy rectangles? Look at the picture below and tell me where you see any buttons on the bezel? Do the icons and background look like an iPad? I love my iPad because of the apps, but this whole "Apple has a patent on the glossy black rectangle" is absurd.

Originally Posted by cajun

That's not the issue. The issue is the diluting of Apple's brand. Apple spends a lot of time, effort, and money on their designs; they are not a cookie-cutter company. They sell their products based on the designs. Everybody knows this.

So, when lazy Samsung decides to glom onto Apple's "cool factor" by stealing Apple's designs, it makes Apple's products look less special. Apple's brand is no longer distinct.

Samsung has got to be the dumbest company on the face of the earth, because they are willing to risk an almost $9 billion dollar supplier relationship with Apple just so a couple of their products can have cases that look like Apple's.

Originally Posted by TBell

I do not know if they are being tricked, but there is customer confusion. I was in Best Buy last month, and I heard two different sets of people look at the Samsung phone display and comment on the so called iPhone.

So I think it fair to assume Samsung probably gets a fair amount of customers who at least initially think the Galaxy is an iPhone. If so, Samsung in the very least is violating Apple's trademark.

Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz

I don't see why any company should be blamed because consumers are ignorant or dumb.

Should Hyundai be sued because an idiot thought the Genesis was a BMW?

Originally Posted by elroth

I don't think the main problem is that some people think they're actually buying an iPhone - it's more that they look at the Samsung phone and think it's the same as an iPhone. And even more, salespeople are telling them that the Samsung phone is just about the same as an iPhone, and they can show them the screen to "prove" it.

Originally Posted by dangcookie

Trust me, you are correct in your logic, but wrong in how it actually plays out. The number 2 man in our company visited our office last month, and sat down with our Web dept lead (my boss), with a keen interest in getting tips about it "iPhone." Turns out he didn't have an iPhone. It was (shocker) an Android-powered phone. He had ZERO idea. There are a lot of (older, perhaps) people who are in fact buying these "smart" phones with zero understanding of the differentiation. They know through word-of-mouth that the iPhone is the gold standard, but somehow they are talked into another option at the point of purchase. Still, they think they have an iPhone. Totally illogical, but rampant. I know it's hard, but -- deep breath -- let your argument go.

Originally Posted by The Mock Turtleneck

The top rated comment in that thread does a pretty good job of demolishing that image. Considering the fact that it's posted in the Apple sub-forum in the first place.

Here you go:



You can love Apple's products and services, without being a blind fanboy (I'm not implying you are one btw). These patent wars are an absolute joke.

Originally Posted by cycomiko

In other news, hoovers, xerox, walkman, yada yada yada

Ignorant or stupid consumer base is not suitable evidence for lawsuits.

Originally Posted by cajun

That's not the issue. The issue is the diluting of Apple's brand. Apple spends a lot of time, effort, and money on their designs; they are not a cookie-cutter company. They sell their products based on the designs. Everybody knows this.

So, when lazy Samsung decides to glom onto Apple's "cool factor" by stealing Apple's designs, it makes Apple's products look less special. Apple's brand is no longer distinct.

Samsung has got to be the dumbest company on the face of the earth, because they are willing to risk an almost $9 billion dollar supplier relationship with Apple just so a couple of their products can have cases that look like Apple's.

Originally Posted by Robin Huber

If there is one thing that characterizes Apple's corporate history, it is its ability to learn from its mistakes (lost bar iPhones aside). Apple should never again leave itself open to the kind of extortion and leverage that Samsung has. Too many eggs in one basket. Fortunately, they have a CEO in place who has made his reputation on supply chain management. The right man for the job.

Originally Posted by cajun

That's not the issue. The issue is the diluting of Apple's brand. Apple spends a lot of time, effort, and money on their designs; they are not a cookie-cutter company. They sell their products based on the designs. Everybody knows this.

So, when lazy Samsung decides to glom onto Apple's "cool factor" by stealing Apple's designs, it makes Apple's products look less special. Apple's brand is no longer distinct.

Samsung has got to be the dumbest company on the face of the earth, because they are willing to risk an almost $9 billion dollar supplier relationship with Apple just so a couple of their products can have cases that look like Apple's.

Originally Posted by lamewing

I find it interesting that Apple sues Samsung for copying the look and feel, but then does the following (just two simple examples):

Apple has added the notification bar to iOS 5. It looks a lot like the notification bar in Android.
Apple is touting wireless syncing in iOS 5, yet the laughed at the same feature when it was introduced in the Zune a few years ago.

Apple is not as honorable as you might think. They are a corporation out to make $$$ for their shareholders.

Originally Posted by King of Beige



Consider how much disdain Samsung has for its customers when they find out there's no iTunes, no App Store, and the Samsung UI lacks the intuitiveness and elegance of iOS. Samsungs arrogance is stunning.

Originally Posted by Apple Business Students Life

Was speaking with a fantastic radio host here in California - Bill Handel - Lawyer and MILIONS of listeners M-S.

He recently purchased a Samsung Washer and Dryer - his wife found a deal in NY_ cheap, free shipping.

Gets it - all the sheets et al are in a "ball" .. tries it himself, doesn't work. Calls the 800 Samsung number - guy comes out - says nothing to do - that's the machine design - defective. Then he calls them back - gets a VP - just references the 800 number.

No one does a darned thing. Does a radio show about how its impossible to get anyone at Samsung to deal with this defective product. Calls again - referenced 800 number again - this call was all the way to the top of Samsung

Still nothing - Does radio show #2 - talking about the defective Samsung washer and dryer. Still no reply.

... finally a VP in the US of Samsung hears the show and they refund the $ to Bill.

Korean business people are out to lunch in general. They are close-minded, cannot figure out the big picture. Why didn't they pick up the machine without Bill having to speak about it to MILLIONS of people in SouthernCal. Why??????? Bill had an experience with a credit card delay, misspelled name - called the company (US) and they called back in 1 hour and said that they would take the card to him before the morning show (he said FEDEX it - that's okay - great guy).

Steve Jobs made a personal call just like Bill Handel did - they seriously have PR and communication problems Samsung will lose close to $10 BILLION in business .. that could have been avoided if they simply came up with their own design and worked it out. But that is the Korean way it seems. They need seriously American or local individuals - not Korean - to communicate ...

I have had many similar personal incidences ... this is a very ARROGANT/STUPID/CLOSEMINDED company/culture in general. Its going to finally get to Samsung - like it did with the washer and dryer when the American VP called Bill and said he would take it back and refund him for the defective product.

Originally Posted by lamewing

Well, bitching and whining about Samsung here isn't going to do a bit of good.

Originally Posted by lamewing

Don't be a dick and act in a asinine and condescending manner.

If the number 2 person in your company is too stupid to understand the difference between 2 differently branded phones (when all it takes is a 1 minute Google/Bing search) then maybe he shouldn't be involved in running your company. Does he also not understand the difference between a Honda and Toyota?

Originally Posted by lamewing

Apple has added the notification bar to iOS 5. It looks a lot like the notification bar in Android.
Apple is touting wireless syncing in iOS 5, yet the laughed at the same feature when it was introduced in the Zune a few years ago.

Originally Posted by Jetz

I'm guessing the conversation went something like this:

Jobs: "I really don't like you building phones that kinda look like ours."
Samsung: "Maybe we can work something out."
Jobs: "Shut down your Android lineup or we'll take our business elsewhere."
Samsung: "In the long run, we'd rather make more from the value added of an entire phone than being the parts bin for Foxconn."

I don't like Samsung's copying. Touchwiz is such an iOS rip. That said, given how much Apple is going around suing every Android vendor and given the whole community design fiasco, it's hard to imagine that Jobs made anything approaching a reasonable offer to Samsung. Somehow I highly doubt, Jobs said, "We'll pay you more for your parts if you stop making Android phones."

Originally Posted by cycomiko

Interesting comments out of Australia


"This is going to be launched on the market with the velocity of a fire hose and [the Galaxy Tab 10.1 is] going to just come in and take away iPad 2 sales so quickly that by the time we get to final hearing the full impact of the patent infringement will be [felt] to the detriment of Apple and to the benefit of [Samsung]."


http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/57...-two-customers

Originally Posted by MacRulez

Interesting indeed, and coming from Apple's own counsel no less.

Also from the article:

So it seems all the noise here about "Samsung being banned in AU" isn't really what's been happening there at all. If this article is correct, only a single product is being pursued for injunction, the injunction itself is only temporary, and it hasn't even gone into effect yet.

Originally Posted by palomine

I'll be damned if some lazy company gets to just copy the general concept

Originally Posted by Galbi

Do you consider consumers to be complete idiots who cant read?

Perhaps YOUR arrogance is stunning.

Originally Posted by hill60

So Judges upholding the law is a "fiasco"?

Originally Posted by ConradJoe

From the article someone else cited:

Justice Bennett made it clear that she would only be making a decision on the Australian version of the Galaxy Tab 10.1, no other products. She is not expected to make a final decision on whether to grant a temporary injunction until at least next week. The full hearing is likely to be later in the year.

It must really suck for Apple to have to deal in a situations where "We have lots of money" is not a trump card.

Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz

That's touchwhiz (app drawer not homescreen) not Android thus Google is not to blame.

Android looks considerably different than iOS does. And the next version looks to differentiate even more for the few remaining idiots who seem to feel stock Android resembles iOS.

Note: I am not calling YOU an idiot in any way and apologize if you assumed such.

Originally Posted by pondosinatra

And the Samsung guy said to Jobs...

"When I left you, I was but the learner; now *I* am the master!"