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post #81 of 116
9/30/11 at 1:04pm
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+1 Great analogy. To paraphrase a somewhat old cliche: A company can choose to LEAD, FOLLOW or to GET OUT OF THE WAY. Apple chooses to LEAD.
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post #82 of 116
9/30/11 at 1:13pm
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Originally Posted by Parkettpolitur View Post

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Yeah, wanting to have my music with me is so 20th century.

Not to agree with ConrdJoe, but yeah, using an iPod Classic *is* soooo 20th century.

In fact the main reason Apple might want to discontinue it is that beyond the click-wheel, there is literally nothing unique or interesting about the product at all. iPod Classic copies are available almost anywhere for a variety of price points. You could even make your own for less than the Classic costs with off the shelf parts and software, all freely available.

If it bothers you that it's gone, go buy one from any of a hundred other manufacturers, or geek out and make your own. It's just a hard drive. A bit-bucket by another name.

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post #83 of 116
9/30/11 at 1:30pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Not to agree with ConrdJoe, but yeah, using an iPod Classic *is* soooo 20th century.

Not to split hairs, but the iPod wasn't available in the 20th century.
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post #84 of 116
9/30/11 at 1:38pm
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Originally Posted by Bancho View Post

Not to split hairs, but the iPod wasn't available in the 20th century.

Which razes ConradJoe's point that mechanical hard drives are so 20th century when the iPod didn't exist until the next century.
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post #85 of 116
9/30/11 at 1:54pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Which razes ConradJoe's point that mechanical hard drives are so 20th century when the iPod didn't exist until the next century.

Ouch!

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post #86 of 116
9/30/11 at 2:32pm
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Good. Nobody needs that much storage in a pocketable device.

Apple needs to focus on what makes them the most profits, and iCloud is the way forward.

I need it, primarily in my car, hooked into my audio system. Lossless, non-repeating music for car trips (I put it on album shuffle). There's no replacement for the iPod Classic used in this way (160 GB is about 650 albums).

If every company focused only on the products that make the most profits, there would be a lot of items you couldn't buy any more. What's wrong with producing some items that you only make average profits on?
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post #87 of 116
9/30/11 at 2:57pm
Best case scenario, they drop the Classic but make another hard drive based iPod with an elongated screen like the Zune 120. Last we heard, Toshiba was phasing out the 160GB drives in the current Classic in favour of their new 240GB one, which is compatible with the same hardware. That, at the same price point as the current Classic, would be sweet. Plus things to make it feel like its from 2011, like wifi syncing, maybe bluetooth, etc. My smartphone won't be replacing my Classic until such large capacities of Flash memory are cheap and the battery won't shit out before the day is through due to music listening, so that will be a long time in the coming.
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post #88 of 116
9/30/11 at 3:00pm
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Originally Posted by Realistic View Post

+1 Great analogy. To paraphrase a somewhat old cliche: A company can choose to LEAD, FOLLOW or to GET OUT OF THE WAY. Apple chooses to LEAD.

Yeah - and Jim Jones was a great leader too. Follow without questioning, and see where you end up.

Apple is leading video editors right on over to Adobe and other companies, as FCP X is such a mess.
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post #89 of 116
9/30/11 at 3:03pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Not to agree with ConrdJoe, but yeah, using an iPod Classic *is* soooo 20th century.

In fact the main reason Apple might want to discontinue it is that beyond the click-wheel, there is literally nothing unique or interesting about the product at all. iPod Classic copies are available almost anywhere for a variety of price points. You could even make your own for less than the Classic costs with off the shelf parts and software, all freely available.

If it bothers you that it's gone, go buy one from any of a hundred other manufacturers, or geek out and make your own. It's just a hard drive. A bit-bucket by another name.

Apple is about the future and not the past.

You don't know what you're talking about. Please list all the 160 GB+ products that integrate with car stereos (are controlled by car audio controls), and that play Apple Lossless files. Thank you.
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post #90 of 116
9/30/11 at 3:04pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Not to agree with ConrdJoe, but yeah, using an iPod Classic *is* soooo 20th century.

In fact the main reason Apple might want to discontinue it is that beyond the click-wheel, there is literally nothing unique or interesting about the product at all. iPod Classic copies are available almost anywhere for a variety of price points. You could even make your own for less than the Classic costs with off the shelf parts and software, all freely available.

If it bothers you that it's gone, go buy one from any of a hundred other manufacturers, or geek out and make your own. It's just a hard drive. A bit-bucket by another name.

Apple is about the future and not the past.

If I could make an iPod device that supported the Apple integration with my cars' audio systems, the system in the boat and supported Apple Lossless, I'm game. Or are AppleTVs, iTunes and iPods supporting FLAC soon?
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post #91 of 116
9/30/11 at 3:05pm
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Originally Posted by elroth View Post

You don't know what you're talking about. Please list all the 160 GB+ products that integrate with car stereos (are controlled by car audio controls), and that play Apple Lossless files. Thank you.

I think you have the complete list right there.
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post #92 of 116
9/30/11 at 5:39pm
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Good. Nobody needs that much storage in a pocketable device.

Apple needs to focus on what makes them the most profits, and iCloud is the way forward.

Know it all attitude.

iCloud is not for everyone.
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post #93 of 116
9/30/11 at 5:49pm
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

We'll see if Apple keeps selling iPods with mechanical hard drives. As of now, it is an open question.

How does the iPod Classic being discontinued support your previous position that mechanical hard drives are a technology of a 20th century, not the 21st century?

Note 1) the 1.8" HDD in the iPod Classic only first became available in it's initial state in 1999, not used by Apple until nearly 2002 with the original iPod, 2) the 1" HDD used in the very popular iPod Mini didn't first come on the market until 2004, several years into the 21st century, and 3) the most commonly used storage medium used in 'PCs' is the HDD.
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post #94 of 116
9/30/11 at 6:12pm
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Originally Posted by yensid98 View Post

Look, you can say something negative about any device ever. All I can say is that I've had multiple HD based iPods since they were first introduced and I've never had one die on me. Not one. In fact, my 1st gen iPod still works though with a diminished battery. The only reason I ever got a new one was for new features or extra space.

HD based iPods have served me extremely well. I still use one daily. And yes, I could use even more space.

I'm an iPhone user who owns an 80gig Classic and an iPod Mini (remember those?). Previously I had a 5G iPod 30gig that I literally wore out from use. I primarily use the Classic for listening to music while I go to sleep. The Mini has been upgraded with a 16gig Compact Flash card and is hooked into my car stereo as a jukebox, set on shuffle.

I love the classic iPod form for my car because it works flawlessly as a jukebox for the car. You don't need a touchscreen for that, and the large capacity makes for an "endless" source of commercial-free music while you drive.

Having said the above, I often think how cool it would be to have an iPod Touch for around the house instead of the classic. I could stream music wirelessly from my Macbook's hd, update podcasts from the couch. My favorite feature of the touchscreen is being able to fast-forward by touching the progress bar, rather than holding down the click wheel. I will never give up the classic in the car though. Simple and effective!
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post #95 of 116
9/30/11 at 6:13pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

the 1" HDD used in the very popular iPod Mini didn't first come on the market until 2004

Fun fact: apparently you can take that out and swap it with a CompactFlash card because they use the same interface. Have yourself a 32GB iPod mini.

Nothing to do with the topic at hand, just thought it was neat.
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post #96 of 116
9/30/11 at 10:55pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

How does the iPod Classic being discontinued support your previous position that mechanical hard drives are a technology of a 20th century, not the 21st century?

<yawn>

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post #97 of 116
10/1/11 at 12:49am
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post #98 of 116
10/1/11 at 12:58am
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Originally Posted by tipoo View Post

Even with a smartphone my Classic sees use every day, too bad they are getting rid of them. Even if there are 128GB Touch's/iPhones next gen, they won't be nearly as cheap. Oh well, at least this probably means my resale value will stay high.

And they won't sound nearly as good
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post #99 of 116
10/1/11 at 8:29am
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Good. Nobody needs that much storage in a pocketable device.

Apple needs to focus on what makes them the most profits, and iCloud is the way forward.

Apple makes enough profit to "afford" to keep making products that people still want, but don't currently generate the white- hot margin numbers of the latest and greatist. I hate my wife's iPod Tough as a music player. My Classic boots up faster and navigates easier/faster. The battery life is waaaay better as is the capacity (duh). Screw Steve Jpbs and Co. for always telling customers what they should want
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post #100 of 116
10/1/11 at 8:33am
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And they won't sound nearly as good

Uh, what? Implying that they won't work with ALAC files or something?
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post #101 of 116
10/1/11 at 8:35am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Uh, what? Implying that they won't work with ALAC files or something?

I thought he was implying the audio HW in the Touch isn't as good as in the Classic.
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post #102 of 116
10/1/11 at 8:48am
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I thought he was implying the audio HW in the Touch isn't as good as in the Classic.

But what does that mean from a playback standpoint?

(not a tech-minded audiophile; I seriously don't know what that means)
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post #103 of 116
10/1/11 at 9:04am
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

But what does that mean from a playback standpoint?

(not a tech-minded audiophile; I seriously don't know what that means)

It would just mean HW inferior wouldn't be able to accurate recreate the audio files accurately. Imagine listening to music through the iPhones mono speaker or some cheap clock radio. That said, it Stephenbw is suggesting that then he'd be wrong as iLounge has detailed the sound quality from the iPods and have found them to be quite good.
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post #104 of 116
10/1/11 at 9:22am
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Originally Posted by jakevin. View Post

I feel like Apple should release some new iPod to replace the classic called something Apple-ish like iPod X to mark the 10th anniversary... They seem to love their X's... It'll be interesting to see what they come up with on Tuesday ala Touch/Nano/Shuffle/Classic and what does get discontinued if any.

That's a good idea. Personally, I really hope they don't drop the Classic. I'm one of those people that likes to have their entire iTunes collection at hand. Especially now since I travel for 4 weeks at a time. Really, I only need about 60-80Gb of space, since I can keep movies and TV on my iPad2.

What I think would be cool...a larger format iPod Nano. Just like the nano with a bigger screen and storage capacity, radio, etc. No apps, just a media device.

Also, the Touch in 128Gb would be nice, but I already have an iPhone, and that would be a pointless purchase for me. All I need is a large capacity Audio device that I can easily operate if it's in my coat pocket on the go, without having to look at it to operate.

They really need to just combine the Shuffle and Nano into a single device and offer a 4Gb for $49.
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post #105 of 116
10/1/11 at 9:32am
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Originally Posted by Conrail View Post

Yep, just hook my car up to the cloud and I'm good to go!

yeah, great idea, then ATT and Verizon can soak you for all you are worth!
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post #106 of 116
10/1/11 at 9:46am
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Originally Posted by bsenka View Post

Ditto. I love my iPhone, it does a lot of fantastic things, but it's not a very good iPod.

I use my Classic everyday. The large capacity and the physical controls are a godsend when on the go. When at work, going for a run, at the gym, cycling, in the car, etc, it's a superior experience. Most of the time, if I'm using an iPod, I'm also doing things that make a touchscreen an annoyance at best, and some times even a hazard. I'm also most likely to be somewhere where cell reception is poor or non existant. On road trips (or any time I'm away from my computer for more than a day), having all of your music with you is fantastic.

The spinning platter itself I'm not married to, but it's still a lot more durable than the iPhone that's made of glass! I've dropped my Classic on pavement more times than I can count and it just keeps on working.

Ideally, what I'd like to see Apple do is resurrect the 5th gen iPod Nano form factor, with 160GB or larger flash storage. Until flash memory prices come down enough to allow such a creature to sell for $300 or less, the current Classic needs to stay. What I definitely don't want, is a larger capacity Touch.

you said it better than I did...I second this!!!
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post #107 of 116
10/1/11 at 10:16am
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Not to agree with ConrdJoe, but yeah, using an iPod Classic *is* soooo 20th century.

In fact the main reason Apple might want to discontinue it is that beyond the click-wheel, there is literally nothing unique or interesting about the product at all. iPod Classic copies are available almost anywhere for a variety of price points. You could even make your own for less than the Classic costs with off the shelf parts and software, all freely available.

If it bothers you that it's gone, go buy one from any of a hundred other manufacturers, or geek out and make your own. It's just a hard drive. A bit-bucket by another name.

Apple is about the future and not the past.

You're missing one additional point though. Most people can't just go out and buy another Manuf's device because it won't sync to iTunes.
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post #108 of 116
10/1/11 at 10:19am
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Originally Posted by tipoo View Post

Best case scenario, they drop the Classic but make another hard drive based iPod with an elongated screen like the Zune 120. Last we heard, Toshiba was phasing out the 160GB drives in the current Classic in favour of their new 240GB one, which is compatible with the same hardware. That, at the same price point as the current Classic, would be sweet. Plus things to make it feel like its from 2011, like wifi syncing, maybe bluetooth, etc. My smartphone won't be replacing my Classic until such large capacities of Flash memory are cheap and the battery won't shit out before the day is through due to music listening, so that will be a long time in the coming.

why would they INCREASE the storage? It has enough already. and for those who do need a bigger capacity (I.E. my friend who owns about 5000 CDs)...they'll need at least 2 TB iPod Classic to use one.

But I do like your comment about maybe doing something like the Zune 120. I said kind of the same thing in one of my earlier posts.
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post #109 of 116
10/1/11 at 10:38am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

It would just mean HW inferior wouldn't be able to accurate recreate the audio files accurately. Imagine listening to music through the iPhones mono speaker or some cheap clock radio. That said, it Stephenbw is suggesting that then he'd be wrong as iLounge has detailed the sound quality from the iPods and have found them to be quite good.

Yes, the sound from my iPod touch is quite good; just not as good as that from my iPod Classic.
And, unlike the Classic, the Touch does not have a graphic equaliser to adapt the sound to suit the speakers.
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post #110 of 116
10/1/11 at 11:44am
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I thought he was implying the audio HW in the Touch isn't as good as in the Classic.

I thought so as well. That said, i believe the new classic uses cirrus DACs which audiophiles like less than the Wolfson in the latest iPhone and iPod Touch. Apple went the the cirrus when Woflson gave them some pretty poor parts for some previous gen hardware. I'd like a new classic with Wolfsons, k thx.

Edit: like these guys won't do mods on iPods anymore because of the DAC choice in the 6th gen.
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post #111 of 116
10/1/11 at 12:07pm
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And, unlike the Classic, the Touch does not have a graphic equaliser to adapt the sound to suit the speakers.

Don't most speakers worth their clout have physical controls for that? Not saying that Apple shouldn't add one (they very probably should).
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10/1/11 at 12:29pm
Could Apple's new patent for a hybrid mechanical drive with built in NAND be not just for the future of MBPs, but also for an "iPod X" that pairs a full size touchscreen of the Touch with the storage capacity of the Classic.

Surely it wouldn't be as small or as light, but it could be a way for Apple to keep their high capacity customers whilst moving them to the iOS App Store ecosystem. This idea isn't new and has been desired by some very fervently since the Touch was first announced but without a well integrated hybrid drive I don't think it was a good idea for a device running iOS.
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post #113 of 116
10/1/11 at 12:39pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Don't most speakers worth their clout have physical controls for that? Not saying that Apple shouldn't add one (they very probably should).

It depends on the speakers one has access to. With my Etymotic earbuds I keep the EQ on Flat, but playing the iPod through a diminutive XMini or a TV in a Greek holiday studio it is much better to have the EQ controls afforded by the Classic
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post #114 of 116
10/1/11 at 12:40pm
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It depends on the speakers one has access to. With my Etymotic earbuds I keep the EQ on Flat, but playing the iPod through a diminutive XMini or a TV in a Greek holiday studio it is much better to have the EQ controls afforded by the Classic

Aren't EQ settings syned with the metadata of each song in your iTunes library?
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post #115 of 116
10/1/11 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

Aren't EQ settings syned with the metadata of each song in your iTunes library?

I don't understand your point.

I don't need to change the EQ for each song, I just use one of the Classic's EQ presets to control the sound when playing it through media other than my earbuds.
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post #116 of 116
10/2/11 at 10:10am
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Good. Nobody needs that much storage in a pocketable device.

Apple needs to focus on what makes them the most profits, and iCloud is the way forward.

Wow, I feel so much safer now that it is confirmed you know what I need!! Since the Classic is wrong for me, how am I going to carry my entire collection with me on long trips in the car? I guess I could go back to CDs, but knowing me, I'll crash into a school bus while changing a CD!!! The horror!

There is a reason the Classic has lasted this long. People buy them because they want them. Granted, the Classic is not the latest gee-whiz product, but it serves a very real purpose for many people. Including me, therefore I reject the notion you know what I need.

How long will it take me to upload 143gb to iCloud? Won't Apple want some money for this mass storage? Their new service may make some sense at home or office, but out on the road?
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