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Apple on Friday supplied developers with the ninth beta of iTunes 10.5, with a number of known issues remaining before the final version of the software debuts with iCloud.

People familiar with the latest build indicated it contains some of the same issues that were present in the previous beta of iTunes 10.5, supplied to developers earlier this month. The largest is said to be the incomplete music scanning feature that will be a part of Apple's $24.99-per-year iTunes Match service.

In its current form, some tracks reportedly won't be recognized through iTunes Match, and will instead be uploaded to iCloud storage. The iTunes Match beta is available to developers in the United States.

Developers were also warned that music may not play if an iPhone, iPad or iPod touch is updated to iOS 5 beta 7. This can reportedly be fixed by turning iTunes Match functionality off, then back on.

Any iCloud libraries created in beta testing iTunes 10.5 will be deleted once the beta has ended and iCloud is publicly available. Developers are said to have been advised to back up regularly and not delete any local music that has been synced to iCloud.

iOS 5 beta 7 was supplied to developers in August, and soon after the iTunes Match beta was expanded to more people for trial ahead of the upcoming iCloud launch. iCloud is expected to debut alongside iOS 5 and iTunes 10.5.

That launch could come as soon as next week, as Apple will hold a media event on Tuesday to introduce its next-generation iPhone and refresh its iPod lineup. The keynote will begin at 10 a.m. Pacific, and AppleInsider will have full live coverage.
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That launch could come as soon as next week,

Not with "known issues" it won't. Apple is nothing like Google, who releases buggy software.
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The keynote will begin at 10 a.m. Pacific, and AppleInsider will have full live coverage.

Will Appleinsider actually be at the event; and if so, will that be a first?
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I think Apple should eventually remove the App Store from iTunes since they already have the App Store on OSX 10.6 and 10.7. Seeing as iTunes was created for "music' it now is too bloated with too much other stuff.
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Not with "known issues" it won't. Apple is nothing like Google, who releases buggy software.

How about the known issue that it runs like treacle. iTunes needs a major overhaul, just too slow with large libraries.
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The keynote will begin at 10 a.m. Pacific, and AppleInsider will have full live coverage.

This site surely could learn from This Is My Next which nailed the last keynote. Fast and detailed contrary to this site (and Mac Rumors).
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iTunes has some issues for sure, but IOS has even more. Beta 7 is deardfully slow on my iPhone 4. And beta 7 is supposedly one away from GM.....

messaging is laggy on the iPhone4.
notification center only works well on the iPad2, it is laggy on the iPhone 4.

and the best feature for the iPad2, display mirror, is SUPER laggy.

4 days to go and no GM..... no way is this coming out anytime soon.
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I've been generally impressed with iOS and iTunes betas since they appeared. iCloud betas along with 10.7.2 — don't even get me started on the un-Apple-like system they had for all but the most recent betas — have been less complete. I wonder if it's iCloud that's been holding up the G5 iPhone but I don't think that's a big enough reason. Plus Apple has plenty of precedent of releasing HW and SW whilst holding back particular services that are taking longer to build.


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I think Apple should eventually remove the App Store from iTunes since they already have the App Store on OSX 10.6 and 10.7. Seeing as iTunes was created for "music' it now is too bloated with too much other stuff.

They should remove all podcasts, videos, and device syncing, too… because you want iTunes work like a 20th century product.
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iTunes has some issues for sure, but IOS has even more. Beta 7 is deardfully slow on my iPhone 4. And beta 7 is supposedly one away from GM.....

messaging is laggy on the iPhone4.
notification center only works well on the iPad2, it is laggy on the iPhone 4.

and the best feature for the iPad2, display mirror, is SUPER laggy.

4 days to go and no GM..... no way is this coming out anytime soon.

With this and the possibility of no 4G LTE for iphone 5 for Verizon, this is getting somewhat discouraging, but I am still hopeful.
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They should remove all podcasts, videos, and device syncing, too because you want iTunes work like a 20th century product.

No reason to act like a jerk with your pathetic sarcastic reply. My comment of removing the app store is a good one.

That or Apple should change the name of iTunes to iMedia or something to more accurately describe what the software does.
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No reason to act like a jerk with your pathetic sarcastic reply. My comment of removing the app store is a good one.

That or Apple should change the name of iTunes to iMedia or something to more accurately describe what the software does.

so the iPhone should also be renamed to iDoEveryThingDevice
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No reason to act like a jerk with your pathetic sarcastic reply. My comment of removing the app store is a good one.

That or Apple should change the name of iTunes to iMedia or something to more accurately describe what the software does.

It was sarcastic but lets analyse the asinine comment you made: your entire reasoning for crippling iTunes is because you don't like its name.
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No reason to act like a jerk with your pathetic sarcastic reply. My comment of removing the app store is a good one.

That or Apple should change the name of iTunes to iMedia or something to more accurately describe what the software does.

Why would they change something with incredible brand recognition?

iQwikster?
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How about the known issue that it runs like treacle. iTunes needs a major overhaul, just too slow with large libraries.

If yr itunes installation runs like treacle, there's something wrong with it.

290 gig library here, launches in less than one bounce, no performance issues at all.

Maybe look to your own machine before assuming the software is at fault?
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I think Apple should eventually remove the App Store from iTunes since they already have the App Store on OSX 10.6 and 10.7. Seeing as iTunes was created for "music' it now is too bloated with too much other stuff.

It is possible for software to be multi-functional, and iTunes does it just great. I don't want one app to sync, one app for movies, one for books, one for apps, one for music, one for purchasing. It's an easy piece of software to use and it's all in one place. Having several apps to perform the function of an existing single piece of software is a retrograde step.
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iTunes has some issues for sure, but IOS has even more. Beta 7 is deardfully slow on my iPhone 4. And beta 7 is supposedly one away from GM.....

messaging is laggy on the iPhone4.
notification center only works well on the iPad2, it is laggy on the iPhone 4.

and the best feature for the iPad2, display mirror, is SUPER laggy.

4 days to go and no GM..... no way is this coming out anytime soon.

Mirroring on ipad2 here - zero latency, no issue at all...
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If yr itunes installation runs like treacle, there's something wrong with it.

290 gig library here, launches in less than one bounce, no performance issues at all.

Maybe look to your own machine before assuming the software is at fault?

that fact that you use the term "bounce" indicates mac.
iTunes is slow on windoze.

but i agree, on my mac's, itunes is super fast.
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I suspect that:

-- we'll se an iPhone, iOS and iCloud announcement on Oct 4

-- the announcement will include previously unannounced iOS features

-- availability will be Nov 4

-- pre-orders will be accepted immediately

-- a new iOS GM Beta 1 SDK (and iCloud if needed) will be available to developers immediately
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I wonder if it's iCloud that's been holding up the G5 iPhone but I don't think that's a big enough reason. Plus Apple has plenty of :

We never got the G5 in a portable computer but now you believe them when they say you can get a g5 iPhone?
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I suspect that:

-- we'll se an iPhone, iOS and iCloud announcement on Oct 4

-- the announcement will include previously unannounced iOS features

-- availability will be Nov 4

-- pre-orders will be accepted immediately

-- a new iOS GM Beta 1 SDK (and iCloud if needed) will be available to developers immediately

So you are betting on a lengthy "delay" between announcement and launch? In the past it has always been about 10 days between (not counting the original iPhone of course). It should be launched on Oct 14th if they are on their usual schedule.
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If this is causing Apple so much Headaches to get it right.
What are the chances of all the Other guys ever getting it right?

This and all of what Apple is trying to do with all this iCloud stuff is pretty amazing stuff.
(If they can perfect it themselves)
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If yr itunes installation runs like treacle, there's something wrong with it.

290 gig library here, launches in less than one bounce, no performance issues at all.

Maybe look to your own machine before assuming the software is at fault?

Pishh. Amateur. 4 terabytes and counting.
In all seriousness though it would be nice if iTunes was more modular. I sometimes do get annoyed having to sit through iTunes start up, alerts, downloads resuming, podcast updates etc before I can do whatever it was I wanted to do to my iPhone. It's a very lovely Window's like experience.
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Not with "known issues" it won't. Apple is nothing like Google, who releases buggy software.

Safari for Windows says differ...

Apple's probably more notorious for buggy hardware whenever they release major hardware revisions. I think they have gotten better with that in the past couple years though.
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It wouldn't surprise me if betas of iTunes Match included deficiencies intentionally, in order to debug and observe the behavior of worst-case situations.
Beta software is typically non-optimized and contains test code that isn't included in a final release.
Perhaps developers will see another beta at the October 4th presentation. I can well imagine at some point it becomes impossible to release a beta without divulging hitherto secrets.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I suspect that:

-- we'll se an iPhone, iOS and iCloud announcement on Oct 4

-- the announcement will include previously unannounced iOS features

-- availability will be Nov 4

-- pre-orders will be accepted immediately

-- a new iOS GM Beta 1 SDK (and iCloud if needed) will be available to developers immediately

Makes no sense to stretch out availability by a month. That will quash sales. Heck, two weeks is already a stretch.

If they want to chat up new iOS features at WWDC, that's one thing. Talking about an actual physical product is something else.

Apple gains little by making an official announcement of a physical, revenue-generating product long before the actual ship date.
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Not with "known issues" it won't. Apple is nothing like Google, who releases buggy software.

Apple has definitely had it's share of growing pains related to software. A prime example is iOS 2.0. That turned out to be very buggy and took several updates to fix. Many users were not at all happy.

Apple has gotten much better since then, but the Summer of 2008 was a really hard time for them. Apple combined the rollouts of iPhone 3G, MobileMe, iOS 2.0, the App store, and were about to rollout SnowLeopard, and all if these things spread their resources very thin. MobileMe went Badly enough that Steve has publicly admitted problems. He said it in a lighthearted joking way, but he never would have admitted a problem if it weren't huge and thoroughly pissed him off. I think Apple learned a great deal from those harder times, and hopefully the roll-out of iCloud and the new iPhone will benefit greatly from that experience.

Let's hope those days are done with and way behind us.
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This makes me wonder if the iOS GM will be released next Tuesday. It requires 10.5 and if they are still working on things, it most likely won't be ready.

iOS may be GM, but iTunes won't be (possibly).
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In all seriousness though it would be nice if iTunes was more modular. I sometimes do get annoyed having to sit through iTunes start up, alerts, downloads resuming, podcast updates etc before I can do whatever it was I wanted to do to my iPhone. It's a very lovely Window's like experience.

That's exactly the problem, when the 64 bit update shipped it definitely got a bit less "slow" but it still has tons of beach balls where doing one thing totally locks up the app. Drag in a bunch of MP3s and you can be stuck sitting there quite a while waiting for it to be done (especially with checking for cover art, gapless playback...). There's no excuse for an app like that not to be multithreaded and be able to let the user keep doing things while doing something else in the background.
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Mirroring on ipad2 here - zero latency, no issue at all...

not possilble.

im pure apple in my test enviroment.

Apple TV 2, Air Port Express, iPad2.....

not calling you a liar, but saying zero latetncy is not 100% honest.
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How about the known issue that it runs like treacle. iTunes needs a major overhaul, just too slow with large libraries.

My iTunes has 13,839 items. I realize that this may not be everyone's version of a "large library" but I would hazard a guess that it is "above average size" and I can honestly say that iTunes runs just fine on my iMac. Perhaps the problem you're having is a hardware problem, not a software one?
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not possilble.

im pure apple in my test enviroment.

Apple TV 2, Air Port Express, iPad2.....

not calling you a liar, but saying zero latetncy is not 100% honest.

I'm sure he doesn't mean that to be taken literally. I've yet to notice any lag or discernible latency.
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not possilble.

im pure apple in my test enviroment.

Apple TV 2, Air Port Express, iPad2.....

not calling you a liar, but saying zero latetncy is not 100% honest.

Did you not know that when you use purely Apple equipment, you receive a set bonus of electron teleportation to reduce latency to near zero.
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If yr itunes installation runs like treacle, there's something wrong with it.

290 gig library here, launches in less than one bounce, no performance issues at all.

Maybe look to your own machine before assuming the software is at fault?

I agree, I came to the Mac at iTunes 7 and each update gets better and better, love it.

However iPhoto '11 v9.1.5 is still very slow and temperamental to say the least.
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-- a new iOS GM Beta 1 SDK (and iCloud if needed) will be available to developers immediately

GM's are not Betas - you may release a second GM (rare) but you typically release just one GM which becomes the release version.
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So you are betting on a lengthy "delay" between announcement and launch? In the past it has always been about 10 days between (not counting the original iPhone of course). It should be launched on Oct 14th if they are on their usual schedule.

Yeah!

I think that the hardware is ready, but I think the developers will need a little lead time to incorporate rumored new features (Voice Assistant), etc.

We're 4 days away from the announce and we don't have a GM Beta iOS 5 for the developers. We haven't had a beta upgrade for over 4 weeks -- that tells me that they are holding off the next developer iOS beta because of unannounced capabilities.

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if Apple staggered the availability of some iCloud features, like iTunes Match, to maintain a balanced load on their servers,
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GM's are not Betas - you may release a second GM (rare) but you typically release just one GM which becomes the release version.

A GM is a developer build and Apple's betas are given to developers so interchanging beta and developer build may not be technically accurate in regards to a GM I don't think it's an serious foe paw.
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A GM is a developer build and Apple's betas are given to developers so interchanging beta and developer build may not be technically accurate in regards to a GM I don't think it's an serious foe paw.

Ahh.... the old Faux Pas bit..

Have you heard the one about the girl who comes home from school and
says:

"Daddy, what's a faux pas? They explained it in school today, but I
really don't understand!"

"Well, Honey, maybe it would be easier if I show you an example."

"Do you remember a few weeks ago, the Reverend came to the house?"

"Yes, Daddy, is that a faux pas?"

"No Honey! But, do you remember when we we walking in the garden, the
Reverend pricked a finger on a rose bush?"

"Yes, Daddy, is that a faux pas?"

"No Honey! But do you remember when the Reverend came to the house
last Thursday, for Thanksgiving dinner?".....

..."Yes, Daddy, is that a faux pas?"

"No, Honey! But, do you remember when we were sitting down to dinner,
and the Reverend was about to say Grace".

"You said:" "Reverend, How's your prick?"

"I said: Jeeeesus Christ!'

"And your Mother dropped the turkey"...

..... "that's three of 'em"


BTW, Happy Thanksgiving!
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A GM is a developer build and Apple's betas are given to developers so interchanging beta and developer build may not be technically accurate in regards to a GM I don't think it's an serious foe paw.

It is a build - it's intend to be a final build and not a beta which may see multiple other builds. Ans all companies release their GM to developers (not just Apple) - they need to test them with things. The terms are not to be used interchangeably. They represent opposite ends of a scale.
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Yeah!

I think that the hardware is ready, but I think the developers will need a little lead time to incorporate rumored new features (Voice Assistant), etc.

We're 4 days away from the announce and we don't have a GM Beta iOS 5 for the developers. We haven't had a beta upgrade for over 4 weeks -- that tells me that they are holding off the next developer iOS beta because of unannounced capabilities.

Also, it wouldn't surprise me if Apple staggered the availability of some iCloud features, like iTunes Match, to maintain a balanced load on their servers,

You could be right, as I have no knowledge how far along Apple is with iOS. However, if iOS is ready in time for Tuesday, then I don't see why they can't let developers get caught up on their own time. As long as the OS is complete and works with Apple's apps well, then I don't mind if third party apps don't work with assistant right at launch. Some developers probably won't ever add this functionality. So I don't think Apple needs to wait.

Apple should release the iPhone and iOS when they are ready.
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You could be right, as I have no knowledge how far along Apple is with iOS. However, if iOS is ready in time for Tuesday, then I don't see why they can't let developers get caught up on their own time. As long as the OS is complete and works with Apple's apps well, then I don't mind if third party apps don't work with assistant right at launch. Some developers probably won't ever add this functionality. So I don't think Apple needs to wait.

Apple should release the iPhone and iOS when they are ready.

Yeah, I could be wrong too!

I just have this feeling that there is more to iOS 5 than has been revealed to the developers -- and they, Apple and the customer could benefit from additional testing.

But, hey -- they could do a 10-day announce-ship delay and satisfy most situations. If the new iPhones need an iOS upgrade out of the box -- it wouldn't be the first time.
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