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With just days to go before the company is expected to detail its latest iPhone offerings, Apple has let slip references to an iPhone 4S in its latest iTunes beta.

References to the much-used iPhone 4S moniker could be found in the Info.plist file of the MobileDevices bundle that was included with the ninth beta of iTune 10.5 released Friday. .

Specifically, device preferences for Item 7 and Item 8 in the Info.plist file describe a black and white iPhone 4S whose display icons (below) depict models that look identical to the existing black and white CDMA iPhone 4 introduced earlier this year.

The discovery can be seen as further evidence that Apple is gearing up to introduce iPhones next Tuesday, Oct. 4th that bundle an 8MP camera, 512MB of RAM, support for HSPA+ and the iPad 2's A5 processor and dual graphics, but do so in a the current CMDA iPhone 4 design.

However, the new iPhone 4S is expected to be a dual-mode phone, meaning the same iPhone 4S can be used on either CDMA or GSM networks. Currently, Apple markets separate iPhone 4 models for CDMA and GSM networks.



Talk of Apple taking a dual-route strategy this year by releasing both an iPhone 4S and a more advanced iPhone 5 began to cool off this week, with leaked parts and casings all pointing to a product dubbed iPhone 4S.

In addition, insider Ming-Chi Kuo reported that his industry checks turned up no sign of a redesigned iPhone 5 in the pipeline. Instead, he told AppleInsider that Apple was manufacturing a model that looks largely the same as the current iPhone 4, only with an improved antenna design.

Dubbed "N94," the new iPhone model will reportedly also use the same Gorilla glass for its back panel. Kuo also said it will be available in both black and white models at launch, and 60 percent of units assembled so far have been of the black variety.



Echoing a report from earlier this month, he also said that Foxconn will be responsible for manufacturing 85 percent of Apple's fifth-generation iPhone units. The other 15 percent will reportedly be assembled by Pegatron.

Each will run iOS 5, which is rumored to bundle new voice recognition technology in the form of a new application dubbed Assistant, which will allow users to speak to their iPhone and accomplish a number of tasks through natural language, like sending text messages, looking up information, or scheduling an appointment.

The functionality is believed to stem from Siri, a "personal assistant" application for the iPhone that Apple purchased in April of 2010.

In all Apple is said to be building 30 million fifth-generation iPhone units by the end of calendar 2011. If Apple were to meet that goal and sell all of the handsets in the holiday quarter, it would easily best the record 20.34 million iPhones Apple sold in its June 2011 quarter.
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Hopefully there's also "just one more thing" in the form of an iPhone 5. I'm not sure a basic spec bump after 15+ months will be worthwhile for many. Perhaps there will be an "S" with immediate availability (and a lower price), and an iPhone 5 available a few weeks later.
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They must be going to emphasise the software features in iOS 5 that only run on this new device.
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Yup...I think that tells the story. We've all over shot the runway with our OCD coverage and speculation of Apple's next move. They've been working round the clock to bring us the new voice feature in iOS 5, and we've ruined the surprise.

We did the same things with the Macbook Pros earlier this year. We were all positive there was going to be a thinner, lighter redesign, and it turns out there wasn't.

I'm disappointed (and a little surprised) there isn't a redesign, given the near 18 month wait for the next-gen iPhone. But, there's nothing I can do about it. I think there are going to be some more disappointed people out there.
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You must be kidding me. Wait more than a year just to update cpu and camera?
I hope that's not true. Otherwise, AAPL trading at $381 two days before iPhone 4s introduction means all insiders are so ethical on the stock market.

I would believe this piece of news if AAPL closes below $350 on Monday.
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Hopefully there's also "just one more thing" in the form of an iPhone 5. I'm not sure a basic spec bump after 15+ months will be worthwhile for many.

Most of the worth comes in iOS 5 anyhow. Most iPhone customers probably couldn't give a hoot about the features - Apple know this - price is probably more of an issue. An improved camera and faster processor along with iOS 5 will be more than enough for 9/10 buyers. 3GS are still on sale today and being sold to consumers who will still have a great phone and great OS. It would bother those of us who frequent AI but not most consumers.
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Maybe the one that was lost in a bar just looked like an iPhone 4 and the person that found it didn't realize it was special.
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Maybe the one that was lost in a bar just looked like an iPhone 4 and the person that found it didn't realize it was special.

He probably only sold it for $9.99 because it doesn't turn on.
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Well if just this new iPhone 4S launches, I guess that's cool. Sure did save Apple time on designing a new one. Hopefully all that time saved will have been put towards improving the design flaws of the current iPhone 4. I'm all for recycling the old design and focusing on the flaws, creating a better product. By the time an iPhone 5 comes out, it will probably be completely redesigned and hopefully they would have had enough time to fix any problems with the redesign BEFORE it launches. Unlike what happened with the iPhone 4. Plus, this would be great for accessory manufacturers, not having to come out with a new design. Plus, customers won't have to buy new cases! It's a win-win for everyone.

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Two other options:

1) They made an honest mistake in leaving in the 4S models but not the 5 model.
2) It's APple's disinformation.

It would be easy enough to automatically test for the words iPhone 4S, or iPhone 5 on submission to every build, in the info.plist or strings file. And to manually test before release that the info.plist file does not have any reference to any future model. Make that one person's job, and he fails it at the risk of his job. It can even be "cross-checked" by his manager at the risk of his job. I do think that Apple is engaging in lots of dis-information about what is actually going to be released on Tueday. For whatever reason. Maybe they were warry about the fall off in sales last year, with the announcements about the iPhone 4.

However I do believe the market will re-act very badly to this, if this is true and all we get.
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Boy, things are really not looking good for a redesigned iPhone 5. Too bad, as I was really hoping for a larger screen...

I wonder what would happen if Apple decided to lower the prices of all iPhone models to compensate for the lack of major changes? I'm thinking the current iPhone 4 takes the 3GS's spot at $49, the 16 GB 4S at $99, the 32GB at $199, and the 64GB (if there is one) at $299. Would that make enough of a difference to encourage people to upgrade?

There is also still the possibility that the 4S is going to be introduced as the low end model. It is important to note that there are only two placeholders in the system, one for black and one for white. Apple typically only offers the low-end model in an 8GB capacity, while offering more options for the current generation device. So, its possible we are looking at the low-end model in one size but with two color options.

Thank goodness the announcement is only days away. The rumors roller-coaster is really starting to get to me!

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Well if just this new iPhone 4S launches, I guess that's cool. Sure did save Apple time on designing a new one. Hopefully all that time saved will have been put towards improving the design flaws of the current iPhone 4. I'm all for recycling the old design and focusing on the flaws, creating a better product. By the time an iPhone 5 comes out, it will probably be completely redesigned and hopefully they would have had enough time to fix any problems with the redesign BEFORE it launches. Unlike what happened with the iPhone 4. Plus, this would be great for accessory manufacturers, not having to come out with a new design. Plus, customers won't have to buy new cases! It's a win-win for everyone.

Except for those of us yearning for a larger screen...
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Most of the worth comes in iOS 5 anyhow. Most iPhone customers probably couldn't give a hoot about the features - Apple know this - price is probably more of an issue. An improved camera and faster processor along with iOS 5 will be more than enough for 9/10 buyers. 3GS are still on sale today and being sold to consumers who will still have a great phone and great OS. It would bother those of us who frequent AI but not most consumers.

True, Assistant sounds interesting, but Apple is usually the kind of company that emphasizes design. A larger screen or a refresh would help psychologically since it would help people justify making a new purchase. Maybe they are waiting for LTE for a radical external redesign. That said, the A5, 1GB RAM, and potentially HSPA+ are pretty significant.
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I might sit on the sideline this time around. I don't think i can spend over 600 dollars on an iPhone 4 with minor speed bumps. i am holding onto my iPhone 4 or i will get a htc or samsung phone until apple comes out with the iPhone 5 new year.
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Android phones have already seen larger displays, curved glass, 3D displays, NFC, 4G, 1.5 GHz dual-core processors, 1 GB RAM, 8 MP cameras, etc. Quad-core processors and 16 MP cameras are about to hit Android phones soon.

I'm seriously hoping Apple has an iPhone 5 surprise planned for next week. If the best Apple can deliver in 16 months is an iPhone 4 chassis with some iPad 2 upgrades, there will be some disappointed people and investors. iOS 5 mostly seems to play catchup with Android and Windows Phone, so most of the new software features are a "been there, done that."
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Android phones have already seen larger displays, curved glass, 3D displays, NFC, 4G, 1.5 GHz dual-core processors, 1 GB RAM, 8 MP cameras, etc. Quad-core processors and 16 MP cameras are about to hit Android phones soon.

I'm seriously hoping Apple has an iPhone 5 surprise planned for next week. If the best Apple can deliver in 16 months is an iPhone 4 chassis with some iPad 2 upgrades, there will be some disappointed people and investors. iOS 5 mostly seems to play catchup with Android and Windows Phone, so most of the new software features are a "been there, done that."

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This tells us nothing other than confirming the device name. In previous betas existing device images have been used as placeholders during betas. In this instance they are using the iPhone 4 CDMA images as placeholders.

Ultimately we will find out on Tuesday.

Oh, just so you know, the developer beta has neither been pulled or modified from its original release on Friday. But hey, that just wouldn't be sensational now would it.
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Judging by stock price it looks like we will not see a redesign. I think the lack of a new design may be very bad mojo for apple. If there is no NFC, no redesign and only a minor spec bulb I think we may see a lot of high end techy people leaving the iPhone and with them perhaps the high end devs as well. I would be very disappointed as I feel that apple really needs something special this time around aside from personal assistant that I don't see myself using ( at least from what I have seen of it)
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I don't believe that this is the only phone Apple will release next week. I'm all ready to buy the new IPhone 5 but only if it has a larger screen. Otherwise the current Iphone 4 I have will have to hold for another year. A faster cpu or more memory is not that important to me as my current phone works just fine. Actually I might even look at a few droids(with larger screens) to hold me over till next year.

What a big disappointment this will be for millions of Apple fans and a big let down for Cook if this is his first product out the door for him.
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Oh, just so you know, the developer beta has neither been pulled or modified from its original release on Friday. But hey, that just wouldn't be sensational now would it.

That was in the article.
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I dont see it. And I have just got the latest downloads. Possible a cache? Did you re-download?
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Judging by stock price it looks like we will not see a redesign. I think the lack of a new design may be very bad mojo for apple.

The 3GS was essentially the same aesthetically as the 3G. The feature set was not a significant improvement. It was essentially *just* a speed bump, which was proven not to be bad mojo at all as the iPhone only became more popular. So Apple may well be staying consistent.

On the other hand, 15 months are a long time for a speed bump, unless the software is the reason for the delay.

If indeed there is an iPhone 5, a larger screen would in fact be a serious disappointment and a shocking one at that. There are only two ways to produce a larger screen - more pixels or decrease the dpi. Changing the pixel count goes against every principle in Apple's design ethos. Why would anyone in his right mind expect Apple to commit such a blasphemy? As for lowering the dpi, that would not only concede that Retina display was pointless, it would give them an inferior screen to that on the Galaxy. Would Apple really do that?
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I dont see it. And I have just got the latest downloads. Possible a cache? Did you re-download?

Yep, fresh download on a different Mac. Just open the package with Pacifist.
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Yep, fresh download on a different Mac. Just open the package with Pacifist.

I know how to inspect packages. It isnt in my download. This could be a CDN thing.
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I wouldn't take the lack off an iPhone 5 mention alongside the 4S as proof there's no i5 soon to follow. Perhaps it won't be announced this week, but I believe the iPhone5 will be available by the holidays.
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The 3GS was essentially the same aesthetically as the 3G. The feature set was not a significant improvement. It was essentially *just* a speed bump, which was proven not to be bad mojo at all as the iPhone only became more popular. So Apple may well be staying consistent.

The Android landscape wasn't nearly as developed in 2009 as it is now, and Windows Mobile had crashed and burned. There is significantly more competition in the smartphone space than there was two years ago. I doubt Apple will be able to use improved software to gloss over the lack of a new design the way they did with the 3GS.

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On the other hand, 15 months are a long time for a speed bump, unless the software is the reason for the delay.

Indeed. I think the most troubling thing about the lack of redesign would be that it makes it look like Apple's R&D has hit a wall. If this were happening in June, I might be able to give them the benefit of the doubt. But they've had almost a year and a half to work on this! How could they possibly only be putting in a faster processor, more RAM, and a better camera after all that time? Keep in mind also that the A5 processor is already almost half way through its life cycle (assuming Apple continues to introduce a new processor on a yearly cycle).

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If indeed there is an iPhone 5, a larger screen would in fact be a serious disappointment and a shocking one at that. There are only two ways to produce a larger screen - more pixels or decrease the dpi. Changing the pixel count goes against every principle in Apple's design ethos. Why would anyone in his right mind expect Apple to commit such a blasphemy? As for lowering the dpi, that would not only concede that Retina display was pointless, it would give them an inferior screen to that on the Galaxy. Would Apple really do that?

Apple will never lower the pixel density back to pre-retina levels. But we can always hope that they might violate their pixel count rule!
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I don't get the anger regarding a possible hardware-only update. So what if the iPhone 4 is 15 months old? Some top-tier Android devices may have an advantage here or there, but overall the iPhone 4 is still an incredible phone, it is certainly the one that aged the least during its life cycle. Apple doesn't need much more to stay ahead.

That's the reason I thought Apple would release a contract-free iPhone (the fabled iPod Touch+phone): iPhone's growth is only really bottlenecked at price, not anything else.

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That said, the A5, 1GB RAM, and potentially HSPA+ are pretty significant.

Yep. And Assistant might not just be interesting, it might be really, really cool.

Remember the Mac keynote in 1984, when Steve made the Mac speak? This could be Tim Cook's equivalent moment where the phone not only talks, it understands him.
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And the hits just keep on coming!...

There is a TUAW post of a reader who "captured" an image from Cincinnati Bell of an iPhone 5 with 4" screen and 4G

What to believe?... Is your head spinning from the rumor jerk around? C'mon Tuesday!
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Apple will never lower the pixel density back to pre-retina levels. But we can always hope that they might violate their pixel count rule!

Maybe, but would the ppi difference be really noticeable to the naked eye? Anything bigger than 4" is simply too large, but I've seen some 4" smartphones around and they look tasty

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Crap, I really wanted a bigger screen.

I hate android, Windows 7 phone is amazing but too immature, may be stuck with this shit form factor since I want ios.
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Indeed. I think the most troubling thing about the lack of redesign would be that it makes it look like Apple's R&D has hit a wall. If this were happening in June, I might be able to give them the benefit of the doubt. But they've had almost a year and a half to work on this! How could they possibly only be putting in a faster processor, more RAM, and a better camera after all that time? Keep in mind also that the A5 processor is already almost half way through its life cycle (assuming Apple continues to introduce a new processor on a yearly cycle).

This is silly.

Who says that the device has to be redesigned every year or two? It's still selling and leading the industry, so why constantly change it - just to make a tiny percentage of people on AI who might care happy?

There have been a number of times that Apple kept designs in use for years. It's not the end of the world.

Besides, what else does it need? There are plenty of software updates coming - which will work just fine on a 4S. It's supposedly getting more RAM, better camera, faster CPU, and becoming a 'world phone'. For 99% of people, that's plenty. Sure, some want a bigger screen, but others won't buy it if it has a bigger screen, so that's a wash. What else does it really need? Would it really be a better phone with an FM tuner, 8-track player, and tailfins?
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You must be kidding me. Wait more than a year just to update cpu and camera?

But what should they update? Just a different case for the sake of being different? Apple is not in the business of increasing the screen size 10% every year, they have not done these 10% increases in the past, why would they suddenly start with it now without laying any groundwork in iOS to support multiple physical definitions? Apple is also not in the business of increasing the resolution (as in dpi) every year by 10%, they have not done so in the past, why would they start now?

Sure, it could get a bit thinner and/or lighter.
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What about those iPhone5 case and other rumors?

So much is pointing to two phones. Evidence of one is not evidence against two.

And don't discount iOS5. Form factor is not why people buy the iPhone. It's apps, features, and usability.
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Maybe, but would the ppi difference be really noticeable to the naked eye? Anything bigger than 4" is simply too large, but I've seen some 4" smartphones around and they look tasty

Agreed. I would never want anything larger, but a 4 inch screen would be excellent!

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This is silly.

Who says that the device has to be redesigned every year or two? It's still selling and leading the industry, so why constantly change it - just to make a tiny percentage of people on AI who might care happy?

There have been a number of times that Apple kept designs in use for years. It's not the end of the world.

Besides, what else does it need? There are plenty of software updates coming - which will work just fine on a 4S. It's supposedly getting more RAM, better camera, faster CPU, and becoming a 'world phone'. For 99% of people, that's plenty. Sure, some want a bigger screen, but others won't buy it if it has a bigger screen, so that's a wash. What else does it really need? Would it really be a better phone with an FM tuner, 8-track player, and tailfins?

Haha touche! I don't know if I would qualify my comments as "silly" but maybe I was being a bit melodramatic

If no redesign happens, I do at least hope Apple does fix the antenna issue.
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It is a fact that apple can no longer compete in the smartphone market against such large players now like HTC and Samsung with just hardware and physical features that would be impossible as these companies are willing to throw all of their profits in R&D to crank out phones every other month. Apple on the other hand has always been more into releasing one product a year. In the fast advancing field of Smart phones you can't expect to make any real headway off of one release a year with just hardware so it requires some form of software to complement it.


Is iOS 5 a worthwhile OS for someone who already has a Samsung Galaxy S II or a Evo 3d to make the switch to the iPhone. Well they would now have to sacrifice their larger screen, NFC, 3D, HDMI ports Dual flash, and for what. They would go to an OS with a new notification system that is not as good as the one they came from. They would have twitter integrated. Is that really a big deal? NO they would have had all the features of this on their last phone it was just nothing that was bragged about. They will have the new assistant feature, which is good because android has had that since 2.2 so its not a big deal to them. They will notice that allot of the videos in some of the websites they frequent don't work anymore. In all I don't think apple would be wise to just release a small spec bump with competition this fearsome and iOS really being a Catch-up OS.

With that said Google will be announcing Ice Cream Sandwich soon so we will know what features iOS 6 will have. JK
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Maybe, but would the ppi difference be really noticeable to the naked eye? Anything bigger than 4" is simply too large, but I've seen some 4" smartphones around and they look tasty

Sure, but what would developers do? Add another button in a row of horizontal buttons because they could do this while keeping their 'physical' size the same?

Can anybody with some experience with Android tell me how this is done there? If you run the same app on a 3.5" Android phone and on a 4.3" Android phone. Are the control elements (buttons etc.) larger (in millimetres) on the 4.3" device? Are there more control elements? Or use the control elements the same pixel numbers and the extra space (and pixels) are used to display more non-fixed size content (eg, longer lists, larger photos)?
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I think there are going to be some more disappointed people out there.

Apple never promised a new iPhone 5. People shouldn't be disappointed with Apple. I think that people will be disappointed with the rumor mills instead.
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