Apple leaks "iPhone 4S" product name in latest iTunes beta - Page 8

Originally Posted by Gatorguy

I wouldn't take the lack off an iPhone 5 mention alongside the 4S as proof there's no i5 soon to follow. Perhaps it won't be announced this week, but I believe the iPhone5 will be available by the holidays.

Originally Posted by jragosta

Nice revisionism. Here are some of the posts I was responding to:

Now, if someone had said that THEY would be disappointed, that's an entirely valid opinion.

My favorite was the one who claimed that it was ALREADY a failure because Apple's stock had dropped in the past week - completely ignoring that Nasdaq and GOOG had dropped by roughly the same amount.

You need to learn the difference between expressing an opinion and stating something as fact - which is clearly NOT factual.

Originally Posted by asdasd

Attempts to make this some kind of totalitarian forum where there can be no criticisms of Apple are not going to work, Mate.

Originally Posted by jragosta

Wrong. Liquidmetal is metallic in appearance. From a consumer's perspective, a liquidmetal back looks like an aluminum back, not what people would consider a 'glass' back.

Just because it's technically a glass, doesn't mean that it looks like the clear, brittle material you think of as glass.



If you'd bother learning about the subject, you'd realize that liquidmetal is a product range, not a specific product. One can make liquidmetal from any number of metal compositions. One can make a liquidmetal product from a radio-transparent alloy or from an alloy which is suitable for an antenna.

Originally Posted by Santoanderson

My predictions for Tuesday:

ACCURATE PREDICTION:
Apple will unveil one new phone: the 4s. It will be made using cheaper components, and will save Apple a boatload of money. It will carry the same pricing as the iPhone 4. No mention of the iPhone 6 until October 2012.

Originally Posted by asdasd

Some of those posts were from Android fans. Its easy to tell - they say Apple's OS is worse than Android, or HTC will eat their lunch. But not all. Hilariously the one obvious troll was Samsung Vs Apple, and I retorted to him, not you.





Is it?

Tell that to the guy with 3 posts who claimed exactly that and you retorted that he had no right to that opinion because he wasn't the entire market ( apparently you are).
I responded saying he should stay, so I may have saved AI an eyeball.

You've been bullying your way through this thread calling anybody , like goofy1958 who joined merely to say he wasn't going to upgrade, a hater, or a Fandroid, or a loudmouth. All he said was he wouldn't upgrade.

You bascially want Apple Insider to be a Party Line organ. It's never been that. Generally we are dissapointed. ( normally on release days, but this seems like it is from the horse's mouth). The only exception I can think of was the iPhone. The iPad raised a few hackles.



That was me. Not that I said failure. I said the market would, and has, taken it badly. And I was right. You can check this yourself on the link I provided. Hoever, dont just click on the link - as I explained to the guy ( EDIT: YOU) who "rubbished" my claim - because that shows one day only. Click on the 5 day option and compare with Goog and NASDAQ.

http://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL

( Apple is beating nasdaq, handily over 1-3 months but down - and below nasdaq - in the last 5 days: EDIT as of 3rd Oct. 2011).

Its not just that, however, in general Apple stock appreciates before keynotes, or announcements, this time it hasnt. That indicates that this rumour is putting downward pressure on the market). I am also certain that if the 4S is all that is released the market, and opinion makers will re-act badly. Will be popping in here tomorrow with those links.



Indeed, you do.

Attempts to make this some kind of totalitarian forum where there can be no criticisms of Apple are not going to work, Mate.

Originally Posted by jragosta

Attempts to spread your inane lies aren't going to work.

I never said that it was unfair to criticize Apple. Nor did I ever claim that Apple was perfect.

I do, however, respond to people (including you - as shown above) who present their opinions as if they are fact. It's rather telling that you interpret that as totalitarianism. I guess you've completely lost touch with reality. But, then, that was obvious from your posts where you pretend that the failure of the iPhone 4S is already fact.

Originally Posted by svnipp

Well... IF there is an iPhone 5 to follow shortly for the holiday season, Apple would pretty much HAVE to unveil it tomorrow also. Otherwise you would have a LOT of seriously pissed off customers who went ahead and bought the 4S on release and would then be left out in the cold being stuck with the 4S when they really wanted a 5. Glad the announcement is tomorrow and all of this rumor business can be put to rest.

Originally Posted by Gatorguy

You're absolutely correct on that. I didn't think thru the obvious downside before I posted. If there's no mention of an iPhone 5 tomorrow, it's safe to assume it will be sometime next year before it rears it's head IMO.

Originally Posted by stelligent

Next July or October?

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

So… what's your point? The first-gen looks the best of any of the iPhones. LiquidMetal is radio transparent, so the entire back can be one piece, no seams, no plastic.

Originally Posted by DeaPeaJay

Hey, what's the word on when these become available? When apple announces something on Tuesday, is it available the same day? Or the next weekend? Anyone know?

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil



How could we know? Look at past iPhone releases for clues.

Originally Posted by Negafox

Android phones have already seen larger displays, curved glass, 3D displays, NFC, 4G, 1.5 GHz dual-core processors, 1 GB RAM, 8 MP cameras, etc. Quad-core processors and 16 MP cameras are about to hit Android phones soon.

I'm seriously hoping Apple has an iPhone 5 surprise planned for next week. If the best Apple can deliver in 16 months is an iPhone 4 chassis with some iPad 2 upgrades, there will be some disappointed people and investors. iOS 5 mostly seems to play catchup with Android and Windows Phone, so most of the new software features are a "been there, done that."

Originally Posted by DeaPeaJay

Hey, what's the word on when these become available? When apple announces something on Tuesday, is it available the same day? Or the next weekend? Anyone know?

Originally Posted by stelligent

If memory serves, the earliest that iPads and iPhones have been made available was the Friday of the same week of announcement. Typically, the waiting period is longer.

Macs, however, are sometimes available on the same day.

Originally Posted by svnipp

My bet is on next Friday (10/14). I've seen lots of rumors/speculation on this date also and I think this is probably correct. Keep in mind that the iPhone 4 release had phones being delivered a day or two before the actual in store release. This would mean that they would have to start selling the phones online tomorrow night to even have a chance at the shipping to arrive by Friday for the online purchasers, like me.

I would guess that orders might go live online this Friday with "announced" delivery next Friday. I'm guessing though that Apple will allow actual deliveries by Wednesday of next week. There will still be lines wrapped around the buildings, but I'd love to NOT spend 10 hours waiting in line this time.

Originally Posted by Santoanderson

Tim Cook: "And now for the big unveil.... last spring's phone."

Seriously, this is the first product unveil post-Steve Jobs. They really need to unveil something that'll blow people's socks off; and slightly tweaking an almost-two year old model isn't going to cut it. The best I can hope for is that the 4S ends up being dirt-cheap, because I'm not paying $400 for last year's phone + a 2-year contract.

Originally Posted by Santoanderson

Tim Cook: "And now for the big unveil.... last spring's phone."

Seriously, this is the first product unveil post-Steve Jobs. They really need to unveil something that'll blow people's socks off; and slightly tweaking an almost-two year old model isn't going to cut it. The best I can hope for is that the 4S ends up being dirt-cheap, because I'm not paying $400 for last year's phone + a 2-year contract.