Apple leaks "iPhone 4S" product name in latest iTunes beta - Page 2

Its a much more competitive world.. And it is not just Apple Insider. Take a look at AAPL since the rumours of the iPhone 5 not being anything other than an iPhone 4S went into over-drive. It;s off by $30.

http://www.google.co.uk/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL


Apple lives and dies by it's design. I will buy one of these 4S as I have a 3GS, I update every two cycles ( and thus the delay has bugged me anyway). However there will be little reason for someone on the 4 to update to the 4S. The 3GS was a dog. The 3GS was much better.

If iOS5 screams on the 4S it may sell. Otherwise people on an iPhone 4 will stick to it.

That site doesn't mention Apple that I can see

http://i-ontheweb.com/shop/phones.aspx

Except for the case leaks, I'm unaware of any actual iP5 hardware 'leaks'.

Looks like it will be 4s.

Apple is the biggest company in the world.


Ice Cream Sandwich is paying catch=up with iOS 4.0, by integrating the Tablet and Phone OS. Thats only a year later than iOS 4. iOS 5, like all of Apple's OSes, are far better than Android's VM, precisely because it is an OS, not a VM.

Android's only advantage is maps.

( As for the voice assistant. Most people dont care, on either phone. We can type).

That site did. But it's just guesswork.

ditto.

But it is a bit puzzling it took so long. Lots of reason why, but don't know if they hold with the competition coming on so strong.

I dont understand the "its all about iOS 5" arguments though. Really? iOS 5 runs on my 3GS. It cant be all about the software.

This is a very different world compared to June 2009. Apple's competitors have stepped up their game, and sticking to the tired old form factor could prove to be disastrous this time.

Note that I owned a 3GS and thought it was a great update at the time (an incredible speed bump). It was more than good enough to deal a significant blow to the competition. Hell, Android was only really put on the map for mainstream consumers months later, in November 2009, with the first Droid. Things are very, very different today - the next few weeks will see the release of Android phones with 1.5 Ghz dual core CPUs and 720p-screens, and WP7 has really come into its own. I will be horribly disappointed if Apple stick with the iPhone 4 design.

corrected.

Controls stay the same size but can be programmed to keep the same distance from the edge of a screen, or another control etc. None too different to the way resizing works on a window on OS X when resized. Its not a huge challenge.

I can see a case for a $49 (under AT&T/Verizon contract) iPhone 4, an iPhone 4S with updated internal components in an iPhone 4 casing, and the tapered iPhone 5 with the larger display.

Except when the 3GS came out there was still no real smartphone competition, so it was almost like Apple saying "others still can't do what we do, but we're improving on ourselves". Now the playing field is very different. iOS is still loads better in my mind than Android, but the fact is a lot of consumers are going for larger screens, more memory, etc (as others have posted above). For Apple to do a "tweak" at this point - and especially after so long - would in fact be a disappointment, at a minimum.

I agree. The iPhone 4 design is near-perfect in my opinion. As Steve said,"...like a fine Leica camera."

The smartphone is all about software. I am willing to bet that iOS5 with Assistant speech recognition and iCloud storage will knock the socks off everybody.

If they don't change the case design, that means they will be amortizing the iPhone 4 design over 2 generations, and that is good for profitability. Apple is super good at maximizing margins. They keep the number of models to a minimum. Why do they need 2 case designs?

I expect that on Tuesday, we will have an iPhone 4 8GB at $99, iPhone 4s 16GB at $199, and iPhone 4s 32GB at $299. Improved specs on the 4s (such as A5, 1GB RAM and 8MP camera) and loads of software improvements (such as stabilization for video, perhaps).

Look for long lines outside Apple stores on introduction day.

Maybe, but I don't expect them to be selling 600,000 in the first weekend of pre-orders like they did with the iPhone 4.

So it has a significantly faster dual-core processor, twice as much RAM, a better camera and is HSPA+ ready. What exactly would make this any more of a 'new' phone? It's an across the board upgrade!

Sure, it's nice to have a new look every now and again, but the iPhone 4 looks BEAUTIFUL, it's silly thin and it's sold like hot cakes with auntie Maggie's jam on top!

I can't think of anything hardware-wise that I would expect in excess of what is listed here. iOS5 is where my excitement lies. When Apple released the iPhone 4 last year I thought to myself 'they're gonna struggle to come up with something new for next year after this.' Not that I want them to, because I think they've hit a ceiling now with features. More speed is all we can expect each year from now on. The odd new thing like NFC sure, but the major areas like resolution, multitasking, front facing cameras etc. have all be resolved now.

Think about it, what's changed in a MacBook in the last 5 years? It's got thinner and faster, that's it. It's about the software now and that's fine by me.

Who cares? Apart from possibly Assistant, all of this stuff will work on my iPhone 4 too. Good software is obviously of paramount importance, but I expect Apple to lead in the hardware deparment as well. They're not doing that if they stick to a 15-month old design with a diminutive screen. So where's the incentive to upgrade my 4? Now, if they gave it a bigger screen with 720p-resolution, the rumored elongated capacitive home button, an aluminium back... I'd jump on that.

Tapered iPhone 5 is unlikely. Read this:

http://daringfireball.net/2011/09/teardrop_skepticism

If the iPad 2 in relation to the original iPad is any reflection, the speed bump would not be minor. It doubled. Further, Apple used to redesign the casings for its Macs every year when it was struggling to sell Macs. Now that its Mac market share is increasing and it doesn't need to rely on the Mac faithful upgrading every two years, it has not significantly redesigned the casings of any of its Macs. By all indications, the iPhone is still the number one selling phone. Apple might redesign the casing, but the market isn't really giving Apple a significant reason to do so. Further, it would be foolish to do a major redesign as that would risk its current sales.

Speech is not the big deal everybody seems to think. And iOS 5 runs on a 3GS. iCloud storage we already know about .


Why not amortize the design of the iPhone 1 over 4 generations?


Those prices are basically you taking the existing on contract an US based prices, which are not reflective of the actual prices at all and applying them to the new models. That makes no sense. There is no reason to get rid of the 3GS, for instance. In fact you contradicted yourself in two paragraphs - amortizing the 4S design is good, getting rid of a top selling phone like the 3Gs is good.

And where, in this business plan. is the cheap model? The iPhone 4 8GB at $99 is really selling at $450 off contract. Not cheap. Even if - maybe especially if - they just have a 4S they will keep the 3GS. It runs iOS 5. It can be their entry model outside the US. <$300 of contract. Or cheaper.


For just the 4S? Tumbleweed. I'll get one because I waited two cycles. I have no reason to see one, as there is nothing to see ( unlike the retina display last year). So even though I didnt buy last year, I went to take a look the day after the release in the UK. This year - an online order.

Most people update every 2 cycles. At least those who are on a 2-year contract. I skipped both 3G and 3Gs. Got my iPhone 4 on the first day it was available. AT&T will not give me a subsidized price again until Feb 2012. So, I will wait and upgrade as soon as eligible. Now, if AT&T were to cut my monthly charge as soon as the contract was over, I would not upgrade for a long time.

Not a huge challenge but if Apple releases a 4" phone on Tuesday, it will nevertheless take quite some time until most apps actually take advantage of it. I mean, how long did it take until most apps had their iPad version which is also just a larger window? iPad app developers had a three month headstart between announcement and shipment but it still took quite some time.

There's been a lot of case imagery floating around, some of it convincing enough for me to think the cases are real, and plentiful. This is not to say that they'll fit anything Apple will introduce, but it appears significant money has been spent to make cases for something which is clearly not an iPhone 4S.

Maybe, but if that is universal, then the 4S will only sell to those of use who own a 3GS from two years ago. And thats not going to set the world alight. They need to get the kind of poeple who upgrade every cycle. Or get people back from Android.

I think there is enough info from China that I wouldn't count it out. From that opinion piece Gruber also said

Benm.ats photos of their prototype, to my eyes, make this design seem less severely tapered than MacRumors mockups based on the same purported form factor. Its not balanced or symmetric, but, its not as unbalanced and asymmetric as Id been thinking.

Yes, I was talking about how it works on Android. YOu are correct - the fact that Apple has not told devs to worry about this is telling. if the screen is bigger it will have a lower DPI and the same proportions.

Speech recognition is a big deal. Maybe not to you. The fact that iOS 5 may run on 3Gs and that we know about iCloud is not the point. The point is that these things taken together will make using the iPhone 4 and 4S a fantastic experience. And that means explosive sales worldwide.


Clearly, you don't understand business strategy. Apple is very consistent about how they do things. You also seem to be confusing contract with no-contract prices.

This one's a keeper.

disappointing.

I have all these Android guys showing me their larger screened, thinner devices.

I so wished they'd have two models to at least have some variance in the line as people are finicky when they buy things.

I was hoping for a slightly larger screen for my fat fingers. The 1G iPhone I have is ready for retirement.


Here's hopin.\

Not really. Initially, the 4S will sell to those who own a 3GS from 2 years ago. And new users who are coming off a contract from somewhere else (Android or otherwise). And those who are getting a phone for the first time in the U.S and other countries (i.e. market growth).

Eventually, iPhone 4 users will get the 4s when their contract expires.

This is all just common sense.

To very few people, and it exists on Android. Voice activation seems like some kind of holy grail because if makes up for everything else - the delay, the same design. to who?


Why not? If it is all about the OS and the OS runs fine on the 3GS what is the point?


If the iPhone 4 and the iPhone 4S are both a "fantastic experience" why would it mean "explosive sales" worldwide? That makes no sense. iOS 5 has to be much better on the 4S to garner explosive sales, which are just going to come from people moving from Android, or upgrading from iPhone 4. It wont happen with just people upgrading from the 3GS.



NO YOU ARE. It was you who was using contract prices in the US. I pointed out that was incorrect. In very simple English. So lets repeat: no iPhone sells at $99. Or anything like it. The price of all iPhones is it's off contract price. Stop quoting contract prices in one country. It is meaningless.

As for Apple's business strategy - you cant judge their future by their past. If we were talking about iPod's back in 2004 you would say they always produce a new model which has the same design but with more storage, and sell last years model at a discount. Then came the mini, nano, shuffle etc.

releasing this years model, and reducing last years model in price ( to a price still very high off contract) is not going to work going forward. And I am sure it is not what they are going to do going forward. If that is what they do in 2015, they will have 5% of the market.

For instance: where in this business model of yours is the cheap off-contract PAYG China phone?

ooooh hahahahaha only 2 more days..I gonna wet my pants?

Common sense, or not, it wont drive "explosive growth". The ratio of people who bought the 3GS two years ago is a small minority of all existing iPhone owners. Apple cant rely on them to drive growth. If there is no compelling reason for a switch from Android without a new form factor, so that wont drive growth, and if Apple dont have a wow factor, they wont get new smart phone users either.

Yes. I was quoting contract prices in the U.S. Anybody with half a brain would have understood that.

So, I will repeat: the iPhone 3Gs sells for $49 (previously $99) with a 2-year contract in the U.S.

Is this clear enough for you? Or, am I still confusing you?

He is wrong anyway, that really is what they sell for here. No US iPhone Carrie gives you a discount for bringing an unlocked phone, so you are not really paying more over time. The price to the consumer is $99.

E*get already showed screenshots of both iphone 5 and iphone 4s. This article should be updated.

Please. Tech has generally been off in the last two days: NASDAQ down 5%. Even Amazon was not spared: after an impressive runup on Wed (Fire), it was off by 7.5% in the past two days.

Who knows why.

Apple's moves are generally in line, and not attributable to anything as specific as iPhone 5.

I understand how people are saying that we all will disappointed in apple if they just release a 4S, heck I will too, but to say that it won't be a success is plain rubbish. Most of the people saying that they won't buy, are those who already have the iPhone 4 (yes tech geeks I'm talking to you). There are a lot of regular costumers who still have a contract with the 3GS. If the new iPhone is just a speed bump and camera upgrade than for iPhone 4 owners to upgrade wouldn't make sense, but to the rest of us it would be a great upgrade, granted not as great as the iPhone 5 mockups but enough to sell Apple some phones. But hey, maybe apple was so irritated with the whole gizmodo showing off there iPhone before the keynote that they made it their priority to conceal the real iPhone 5. wouldn't that be sweet?

Judging by how well the 3Gs is still selling I suspect the 4s will become a uniformed low-end offering on both GSM and CDMA networks replacing the 3Gs and the iPhone 5 will be the new top end. I don't think that the 4 (or at least the 4 form factor) will go away, especially considering how popular it is.

No, I know what you are quoting but it as relevant as quoting the Romanian price a contract with O2. Or the Hungarian contract with MagyarMobile.

All the more stupid because the rest of the world - where a good percentage of people on this forum, like me reside - can get the latest phone for free, or for $200(ish), or for $100(ish) because there are many and varied contracts. Quoting a phone price in one country on one contract is nonsense when we are trying to work out how expensive the iPhone is.

in any case all you did was take this year's prices, remove the 3GS, and refactor the prices so that the iPhone 4 takes the place of the 3GS, and the iPhone 4S replaces the 4. This is merely copying what happened 16 months ago.

I guess that explains why the #1 and #2 phones in the world by sales are from HTC and Samsung.

Oh, wait....


ROTFLMAO.

Go to that page. Click on the box that says NASDAQ and the one that says GOOG. Apple's drop was about the same as the NASDAQ and Google over the same time period. So much for your theory.


Exactly.

But it doesn't have 4 USB 3.0 ports, serial ports, a parallel port, and 1959 Cadillac style tailfins, so it's of no use.. .

What they sell for in the US is the off contract price. What carriers decide to do when you come to them with an unlocked phone is up to them ( it reeks of being a cartel) but it totally irrelevent to the rest of the world where Apple hopes to grow in future. In the rest of the world you get cheap off contract plans, per month, with data from $10 in many cases.

If there is only a 4S, and no 5, the 3GS has to be the cheap model. If there is a 5, the 4 can be the cheap model. At the moment there is no cheap model.