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What's Bill Clinton Doing?

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The last few weeks have seen a surge Clinton stories. First, it was Bill playing Golf with Obama. Today I saw these two ridiculous fluff pieces.

Chelsea Clinton: My Dad for President

and

Bill Clinton Wants More Credit

The second one is so glowing, it's practically laughable.

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Six senior aides from the 1992 campaign had waxed nostalgic, praising their old boss for revitalizing the Democratic Party and changing the way campaigns are run.....

....Among friends and longtime supporters, the 65-year-old looked at ease and spoke lovingly about the aides and Arkansans who helped him get to the White House two decades ago.

We were looking at total meltdown about a week before New Hampshire, Clinton recalled, praising James Carville for the way he handled the blow-up over the Vietnam letter....

....The party was lost at sea, Jordan said. And Bill Clinton came in 1991, and he was to the Democratic Party what Rosa Parks was to the civil rights movement. He was to the Democratic Party what Martin Luther King became to the movement. It was change. It was different. It was fresh. It was young. It was also experience. Hed been governor a long time. It was renaissance time in the Democratic party, and a lot of the older Democrats had to be brought around.

Al From, the founder of the Democratic Leadership Council, marveled at Clintons ability to give the same charter school speech to two different groups with opposite interests and get them to see him as on the right side of the issue.....

.....Carville talked about the innovations in the 1992 Clinton campaign. Every campaign has a war room now. The its the economy, stupid mantra has long become cliché. The candidate bus tour that seemed somewhat novel when Clinton did it is now standard practice for national candidates.

The campaign was not just a different way, Carville said, but it was sort of a cultural transformation in American politics.



My suspicion is that he's setting up Hillary to run next year. After all, rumor has it that the Clintons still basically run the Democratic Party. They've got to know that without a political seismic change for Obama brought on by some major geopolitical event, he's not going to win.

Thoughts?
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Originally Posted by SDW2001 View Post

Thoughts?

I'd vote for her.
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I'd vote for her.

I'd tap that... button on the ballot box.
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I'd tap that... button on the ballot box.



Well done. I couldn't vote for her, but I think she'd far better than Obama. If she runs, she is going to be tough for the GOP to beat...assuming she gets the nom.
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I'd vote for her.

That actually surprises me. She is far more conservative than Obama...or shall I say far more centrist. I don't think that's "who she is" per se, but she and her husband are politically astute enough to change themselves as needed.
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I'd take Obama over Clinton. Clinton wouldn't have found this easy either-

"He said Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell gave an interview to the New York Times in January 2010, that Axelrod called perhaps one of the most important interviews in the last couple years.

“In it he said we made a decision from the beginning that we were not going to give the president support on any major initiative because to do that would be to confer a sense of bipartisanship and we didn't want to do that,” Axelrod said.

“You can question the appropriateness of that decision, and I certainly do, but it was diabolically clever because what happened was the Republican party was able to, having forced the president to make a series of very difficult decisions, many that were as necessary as they were unpopular, the Recovery Act, the intervention to save the auto industry certainly to shore up the financial industry, they were able to go back to voters in 2010 and say, he did all of this on a partisan basis, he's being to partisan he's being to ideological.”

This snowballed to where the country is today, he said, with one of the most “ideological, partisan group of Republicans in my lifetime” setting policy in Washington. And the consequences have been felt, he said, culminating in the debt crisis the country faced this summer.

Through it all, Obama has been working to establish ways to improve the economy, he said, highlighting the president's American Jobs Act that would put teachers back into the classrooms, veterans and construction workers back to work, an opening the door for unemployed people to get on the job training while they look for work."
~ http://nashua.patch.com/articles/nex...ggle-for-obama
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That actually surprises me. She is far more conservative than Obama...or shall I say far more centrist. I don't think that's "who she is" per se, but she and her husband are politically astute enough to change themselves as needed.

You're still denying the fact that Obama bent over and took it up the ass from the right his whole fucking presidency. Hilary's 2008 campaign may have been further right than Obama's, but you can bet your life Hilary has more balls. She wouldn't have presented a fucking health care bill that didn't include a public option, for one. She won't put up with the supply side tax cuts, which have been utterly useless. She will follow Reagan's lead and close loopholes.

Better a centrist with balls than a pandering puppet of the right wing.
post #8 of 10
i can tell you what bill isn't doing.....hiliary
you never see them together, but i think that was the arrangement,
he is gently bringing her back, many places are suggesting that obama may not be on the ticket
shoe in for hilliary
the other thing bill has much better national political instincts than chicago based obama
many things that obama is facing now should have been avoided if his instincts were more
mature, but bill also was a governor and had to face those issues commonly
he is preparing the path
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I'd take Obama over Clinton. Clinton wouldn't have found this easy either-

"He said Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell gave an interview to the New York Times in January 2010, that Axelrod called perhaps one of the most important interviews in the last couple years.

In it he said we made a decision from the beginning that we were not going to give the president support on any major initiative because to do that would be to confer a sense of bipartisanship and we didn't want to do that, Axelrod said.

Hearsay, and you know it. Axelrod is a hack.

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You can question the appropriateness of that decision, and I certainly do, but it was diabolically clever because what happened was the Republican party was able to, having forced the president to make a series of very difficult decisions, many that were as necessary as they were unpopular, the Recovery Act, the intervention to save the auto industry certainly to shore up the financial industry, they were able to go back to voters in 2010 and say, he did all of this on a partisan basis, he's being to partisan he's being to ideological.

This snowballed to where the country is today, he said, with one of the most ideological, partisan group of Republicans in my lifetime setting policy in Washington. And the consequences have been felt, he said, culminating in the debt crisis the country faced this summer.

Through it all, Obama has been working to establish ways to improve the economy, he said, highlighting the president's American Jobs Act that would put teachers back into the classrooms, veterans and construction workers back to work, an opening the door for unemployed people to get on the job training while they look for work."
~ http://nashua.patch.com/articles/nex...ggle-for-obama

As I said...a hack. And this nonsense about a group of obstructionist, partisan Republicans giving Obama fits is just that...nonsense. The Democrats controlled both chambers for two years. They rammed through pretty much everything they wanted, with no effort to get bipartisan support. They jammed the stimulus and healthcare down the GOP's throat. They got exactly what they wanted: Much higher spending than even Bush, more regulation, a national healthcare law, and big ass slush fund called the "stimulus."

So spare me the obstructionist Republican bit. It's bogus. Obama owns his failures at this point. Even after the GOP House takeover, Obama could have come to the center to get things done. But he was insistent on raising taxes during a recession. And now it's all the GOP's fault.
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You're still denying the fact that Obama bent over and took it up the ass from the right his whole fucking presidency.

I don't even know what that means. He controlled Congress for two years.
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Hilary's 2008 campaign may have been further right than Obama's, but you can bet your life Hilary has more balls. She wouldn't have presented a fucking health care bill that didn't include a public option, for one.

OK. I agree with that.

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She won't put up with the supply side tax cuts, which have been utterly useless. She will follow Reagan's lead and close loopholes.

Supply-side does not equal "loopholes." I doubt she'd be pushing for huge new tax increases. This is where the pragmatist comes out in both Clintons. She might propose closing loopholes.

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Better a centrist with balls than a pandering puppet of the right wing.

Obama is a puppet of the right wing? That's insane. tonton, the problem is not that he's pandering nor that's he's a puppet. It's that he's a shitty leader. At his core, he's basically a European Democratic Socialist. He leads from behind on everything, from healthcare to Libya. He didn't have the balls to propose a healthcare plan and send it to Congress to work out the details, nor did he have the balls to compromise with the GOP on issues important to them. Had he done this right, we might have gotten both a public option and things like interstate purchasing ability/tort reform/digital medical records. But he decided to go "full retard" without actually doing it.

On a related note, I think a public option with some of those other reforms would have been FAR superior to the bill that passed. That's coming from me, who doesn't think the government should be involved in healthcare much at all.
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