Originally Posted by Mumbo Jumbo
No, trumptman, you are doing your semantic bullshit thing again, because you have been found out.
You mean that semantic bullshit where words have meaning instead of just making up nonsense like you do?
occupywallst.org is a web address. It is not the name of the organisation. The organisation does not really have a name. Does it.
So you are saying it doesn't have a name and simultaneously declaring I am a liar when I say the poll question doesn't name the group. That is quite a bit of mental gymnastics there on your part. How do you keep your head from exploding.
But it has a website, and you have cited the address of the website, and that's that.
All major news organization, including Time.com have been referring to it as Occupy Wall Street. The hashtags from Twitter have been doing the same. Explain to me why the poll cited by you, can have two articles calling it that but won't call it that in their own poll.Time 1Time 2
Adbusters is the site that started the actual protest. What do they call it? Occupy Wall Street.
You're talking out your ass.
Protest is a goal. If you meet with the aim of expressing discontent, 'protesting', if you like, then that is your goal. And that is what they are doing.
You're a sad man just making up nonsense now. The goal of protesting the death penalty isn't abolition of the death penalty, it is just the protest. It's all so clear now. The protest of war isn't ending of that war or peace, it is merely the protest itself that is the goal.
It is very simple. And you have been caught out, and now you are doing your win-at-all-costs semantic farting, trying to clear the room, as you always do, to the great frustration of everyone.
Someone has indeed been caught and it is you. Now you can go start to lose your mind again or perhaps you've learned to just be tolerable and not go apeshit when caught in such bad reasoning. Eitherway the poll is crap and reflects different practices from the rest of the same news organization and you nor anyone else will be able to explain away those differences. You'll scream, yell and try to muddy the waters but that is all you can do because that is all that can be done.
Originally Posted by Mumbo Jumbo
I don't understand why you find the idea so difficult, jazzguru.
If we put enough pressure on them (and hopefully these protests will eventually lead to that) the people we elect will be forced to act.
Things are complicated in America by this 'corporations are people too' rule that Republicans recently enacted, meaning these corporations in question can spend as much as they like on the candidates they want.
So you're down to just making stuff up now. Corporations are people too rule... please link to this. I'd love to see you try. Go ahead and find me this recently enacted legislation.
But if there's enough popular outrage, the political culture can be reformed and candidates with principles can be elected despite this, and legislation can be passed.
The popular outrage can reform the political culture by not going to the place of the political culture and asking it to reform or throwing out the crooked politicians and replacing them with others, but instead going to the place of the supposed corruption and applying no pressure on the politicians that must deal with it. Please name for me another political protest that has worked in this manner. Name one that didn't pressure politicians at all.
I really wish the people occupying Wall Street the best of success in this aim, and hope that the outrage continues to grow until real change can be effected.
By change you mean a nameless group with an objective that is protesting but not for a clear cause will not put pressure on politicians by going to Washington DC and instead will sort of hang out and grab free goodies and charge tourists to take their pictures.
Originally Posted by Apple ][
Trumpman is 100% correct. That poll is complete bullshit, filled with loaded questions designed to skew the results in a particular direction. A crooked pollster can make Nazis look good, if that was their intention.
The liberals at Time Magazine apparently went to the Kim Jung Il school of polling and it shows.
It goes much further than that. This isn't even a real movement. It is the same perma-protesters standing in the same place. They clearly have goals and they are outlandish but the media won't report on them or even really attempt to show or name the size of the crowds or anything like that. They are purposefully leaving it nebulous and vague.
I'll make a prediction here and now. This is going no where. It will be revealed as a desperate and false attempt by the left to try to ignite some sort of enthusiasm within their base before these upcoming 2012 elections where they are going to be destroyed. It is pretty clear the Senate will be taken back by Republicans and also clear that Obama is going to lose and lose badly.
A group that believes government is the answer is unwilling to go protest to the government to make change because they would point out the incompetence of their own leaders. It is a logical absurdity that cannot be maintained and won't go anywhere. Website likes Big Government have already been digging into the identity of certain protesters and showing how they are paid activists, former or current ACORN workers, etc. This is the last gasp of the left.
Originally Posted by Mumbo Jumbo
No, it isn't. You sound absurd.
But look, dudeyou keep defending those banks. You keep fighting the American people in their bid to end corruption.
Im sure in Egypt there were many people on internet forums defending Mubarak. Like you, they were on the wrong side. Youre definitely going to lose.
Corporations like Apple have profits to put to work. They won't when they don't know if they can get electricity, if they are suddenly going to have the costs per employee triple, they don't know if their product is going to be carbon taxed out of existence or be the butt of some Luddite type rant from a crazy leftist politician. Here is what could happen and here is why you are going to lose your mind.
First the bubbles within the real estate sector are going. As an example homes in So Cal and Vegas and other areas that were $400k+ are now a very moderate $150-200k again. Businesses are ready to invest. People will work when they stop getting a million weeks of unemployment. The Republicans are going to come in and clear out the uncertainty and the economy will take off. The timing of it will fully discredit Democrats for a generation and they will become regional and minor party. This could even happen while the Euro is sinking making the U.S. an investment safe haven as one of the only locations where money can be safely parked and invested. China is ready to become Japan. It has a dozen economic danger signs and like all Asian tigers when the damage is unleashed, it will be ugly. There have been articles about entire speculative blocks of cities having been built with no one living there and mortgages having been purchased with the entire savings of groups of families. It will be ugly.
Presuming we don't pick a RINO and can buckle down enough with regard to true conservatism, we will come out smelling like a rose.