Originally Posted by trumptman
They held all the cards in your opinion when unemployment was barely 4% nationally and these same folks were buying everything they could get their hands on living the sub-prime loca. The corporations were responsible for that too because they loaned them the money.
Let's not forget that many were "strongly encouraged" to loan the money by federal law and regulation.
It's always the fault of someone else in your view. The weak, stupid and irresponsible rule the universe and we are all just the assholes who didn't give up our entire lives trying to fix them.
Exactly. Sometimes I wonder how we got here, because BR is not the only person by far that thinks like this. When did we become a country where people are out in the streets protesting those that have more than they do? What happened to people starting at the rock bottom and working their way up through sheer determination, hard work and intelligence?
Originally Posted by BR
So your anecdote is pointless. Sure, some people have the financial reserves, nerves of steel, or plain idiocy to quit a job in this climate.
So they are slaves, then? By that definition, I am a slave to my employer. After all, I can't go find another one easily right now. Maybe I'll protest in the streets the next time I don't like something.
That doesn't mean that the corporations don't have the power.
Employers always have some power. That's what working for someone else for money IS.
And what is the point there? What is the solution? The only way that changes is when employers need to expand. The only way that
is going to happen is when the economy improves and the outlook becomes more stable.
What SDW said is just plain ridiculous. Your anecdotes are at best irrelevant and at worst intentional attempts to distract from the real problem. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume it's the former.
It's ridiculous that I don't view workers entering into at-will contracts as slaves? It's ridiculous that I take issue the entitlement mentality? BR, yours is a progressive view that simply wasn't the foundation of this nation. We are not entitled to anything. If I want healthcare, I find a job that covers it. If I can't find that, I try to make enough money to buy coverage for catastrophic illness like the man in your photo developed.
Here's an anecdote: When I turned 23 I could no longer be covered under my parent's health insurance. I had not yet started working full-time. What did I do? I bought a minimal policy that covered hospitalization and major illnesses...just in case. It was less than $100 a month. Now, that policy would likely run $200 a month. It's not cheap, but it's do-able if someone works hard enough.
And that last part is key. This is about entitlement. There are scores of people that honestly believe they should live in some degree of comfort just because they work 40 hours a week. They believe they have right
to retire. What happened to determination and self-reliance? What happened to working 2 or even 3 jobs to support one's self? Why is it my job to support you beyond short-term unemployment insurance?
Here's another anecdote: My great grandfather died on the job at 92 years old. Do you know why he was working at that age? Because he NEEDED THE MONEY. These are the people that built America. It's unfortunate we think so little of them today.