Originally Posted by trumptman
Well obviously lots of people support them Sammi including you. Talk to me when all these people, yourself included, have forgone all the nice products they use from corporations and have started supporting the alternatives. The pictures you show could have just as easily come from a Foxconn factory making Apple products as from anything else. You're typing to me on a corporate computer over a corporate internet while wearing corporate clothes and eating corporate food.
Get a clue that whining into a webcam doesn't make the whining true or fix much of anything. Pointing a finger and declaring your life sucks because of another party is the easiest thing in the universe to do.
You have a habit of mischaracterizing an an argument to make one of your own.
First off. Virtually everyone in the US and much of the rest of the world) uses manufactured products, wears manufactured clothes and eats food that's gone through some kind of processing. That's not my gripe, nor that of the protesters. Despite the necessarily simplified slogans and banners... it's impossible to explain this complex issue in protest banner format... capitalism and business structures are not the enemy.
This extract sums up approximately the gripe.. and it echoes approximately where I am at with all this.I am myself a capitalist and I have no bones to pick with capitalism as a whole. I do, however, take exception to corporatism, the mindless pursuit of short-term gain and ego gratification at whatever cost it may take on the long term good of citizens who pay the taxes and do the heavy lifting in the American economy. These people have traded away an enormous amount of good jobs to slave labor operations in foreign countries that are more glad to accept the oppression of their people in exchange for a quick buck. They have squandered both our economic strength and our natural resources in pursuit of an extra jet or two to brag about at their next parlay in Davos.
In other words, these are bullies who are just plain bad for business. Good business conditions require a well-regulated economy, where pirating people's lifetime savings into Ponzi schemes is dealt with swiftly and aggressively. It is corporations that must serve the people, not people who must serve the corporations. Enterprise of free markets should be rewarded, but free markets are ultimately markets where everyone is free to play by the rules, not free to break the rules.
In other words there's a choice between ethical standards, fine products, fairness, decency, and a happy workforce, vs. rip-offs, scams, corruption, serial fraud/embezzlement, usury, parasitism, croneyism, insider trading and payola .... in business. Human nature dictates that people will often do what they can get away with.. thats why we have regulations to curb those who default towards criminality.. ie to maintain civilized conduct in the world.
The protests are against corruption and parasitism etc. etc. etc, which is now common practice, not only in Wall St. but throughout the world's financial centers. And when the rules are not being policed, as is universally the case today, thats a recipe for the kind of disaster we saw in 2008/2009, when the bastions of capitalism itself were rescued, ironically, by $trillions in welfare provided by the very government that the Ayn Randian (utopian) free market junkies so despise.