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post #121 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:19pm
I can't believe that people are getting so emotional about this! It's a PHONE people! And it's nearly entirely new where it matters the most which is INSIDE. Why should Apple redesign the outside every time they upgrade the phone? They don't do that with their computers do they? I think that the problem is that they have moved so quickly on both fronts that people simply expect it to always be that way. It was inevitable that they would slow down on changing the form factor. I'm typing this on a late 2008 15" MacBook Pro. It looks virtually identical to a 2011 15" MacBook Pro. Big deal! It's funny because this makes me think of how people are with cars. They think a car is so different/better if the sheet metal gets changed significantly, but the internals are all the same as there previous model. Car companies take advantage of this all the time! Apple most likely feels that the current design of the iPhone 4 is good enough to stick with for another year. And you know what? They'll sell MILLIONS of them! So stop crying like a bunch of babies that just got their lollipops stolen. The iPhone 4S is a serious upgrade where it really counts and that's in performance!
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post #122 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:19pm
I have to wait a week until iOS5!

Happy to keep the iPhone 4. Big upgrade, but no particular features I can't do without. I'll have to watch later to see how Tim fared on stage.

BTW - is the Apple site back up yet?
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post #123 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:19pm
disappointing this how Tim Cook first presentation as CEO will be remembered. I hope the specialised press will kick them hard over the next months for this disappointing damp squib of announcement. And they waited 16 months for this? Tim do you really believe that iPhone 4 users will upgrade to this?
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post #124 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by LogicNReason View Post

Really? Because my Evo consistently lasts a day and half without needing a charge, and still goes a full day when I'm using 4G to surf the web. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the iPhone 4S will continue the trend of amazing battery life, but you did NOT return the Evo after 3 days because you never purchased one. I'm not sure why you would need more than a day of battery life to be quite honest.

On that note: For the idiots claiming this isn't a great upgrade, it is. Apple has never been a "bleeding edge technology" company.They've consistently been an "optimize the current technology so it runs better than bleeding edge" and that's exactly what they've given.

On that note, Siri look amazing. Even for beta.

Really? I know two people here in the office with Evos and they're constantly charging them. One of them even changed the battery. Those things are big, ugly, the display looks faded out and despite the higher megapixel, the pictures look way inferior to the ones I take with the iPhone. Everything from color accuracy to shadows to fill light.....
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post #125 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:19pm
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Originally Posted by scottdreed_fsi View Post

So I waited a year to buy the same iPhone I waited a year not to buy? What in the world are they doing over there besides making money? Boys I love ya but, what in the world guys? Final Cut X anyone?

Same phone?! Hardly.

Go buy something from HTC or Samsung then... please.
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post #126 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:21pm
OMG, seriously. All you whiners who got all pumped up on baseless rumors. And now you sound like this.....

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post #127 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:21pm
So, plan B it is.
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post #128 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by razyboy View Post

so 18 months later i can buy the same iphone 4 i have now, only with an antenna that allows me to actually make phone calls?

Antennagate! Love it! I missed those arguments.

Cut it out.

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People like you with low expectations are easily pleased. What's wrong with expecting better things.

Nothing. And you GOT a better thing.

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I'm disappointed.

So there's no excuse for this.

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Originally Posted by mercury99 View Post

Wow. All of these was available on HTC EVO 4G 1.5 years ago

And the iPhone 3GS from 2.5 years ago still sells better than that pile of trash. It IS funny, isn't it?

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Originally Posted by therealestmc View Post

does anybody how much the 4s has? i am guess it's the same since they did not mention it.

They never mention it, though.

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Not Apple's finest moment.

Stock is tanking.

Which happens after every keynote.

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Originally Posted by solipsism View Post

I think if they add LTE (and perhaps WiMAX) they might call it the iPhone 4G.

You know, I completely buy that for some reason. I can see them milking the "iPhone 4" part of the name for ANOTHER year.
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post #129 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by Xian Zhu Xuande View Post

I don't want a brick in my pocket and neither does the general consumer. The only way Apple can make the iPhone screen bigger without fragmenting the market is to scale it up (rather than increasing its resolution). It might have been nice on an edge-to-edge screen, but nowhere near as important as the speed/graphics updates. I'm glad they don't believe I want a brick in my pocket.

P.S. No, not like 'every other smartphone'.

An elegant redesign on the back would have been neat.
(Again, not an overly important feature).

P.P.S. If you're looking for a huge screen, give up on Apple. Not going to happen.

If you think the Galaxy S II is a "brick," you've obviously never used one or put it in your pocket. The 4, on the other hand... now THAT is a brick.
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post #130 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:21pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

It IS a new phone. Virtually everything in the phone is new except for the case and screen.

Funny how if Apple focuses on outside appearances, you are the first to claim that people who buy Apple products are shallow and only concerned about appearances. But if Apple completely redesigns the product and improves almost everything except the external appearance, you're STILL complaining.

I see your point my man, but really, you didn't think after the past 3 product launches being home runs that Apple would debut a totally new iPhone? The stock is diving it seems. That's a shame!
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post #131 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:22pm
I'll be happy if the new iPhone 4S sports these features:

1) doesn't drop calls
2) doesn't inform me of missed calls hours later
3) doesn't pass texts, but fail to receive calls
4) doesn't fail to operate reliably even with three bars

...oh wait... Maybe ditching AT&T would help all of those things. Wassup Sprint?


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post #132 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

It IS a new phone. Virtually everything in the phone is new except for the case and screen.

Funny how if Apple focuses on outside appearances, you are the first to claim that people who buy Apple products are shallow and only concerned about appearances. But if Apple completely redesigns the product and improves almost everything except the external appearance, you're STILL complaining.

Agreed. Most people cover their beautifully designed iPhones with cases anyway..
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post #133 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:22pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

All this whining amazes me. I realize that there are a lot of people who like nothing better than attacking Apple, but this is absurd.

The new phone has:
- much faster processor
- much faster data speeds
- new antenna
- greatly improved camera
- incredible voice recognition
- Improved software
- World phone capability
- up to twice the storage capacity

In fact, virtually everything is new except the case.

Faster processor? I4 wasn't slow, useless
Faster data speeds? Yah because we all bit torrent on our phones, useless
New antenna? Wasn't ever a problem before so who faking cares
Greatly improved camera? It's a phone! And the camera was already great, fun maybe, useful, no.
Incredible voice recognition? That remains to be seen buddy
Improved software? Yes but all iPhones and iPads are getting that, invalid argument.
World phone capability? What your phone didnt work before? Seriously useless for 95% of people, maybe better for Apple and carriers.
Up to twice the storage capacity: 16 months for a chip they could have put in 16 months ago? So they arent holding back anymore, not exactly a positive note.

Everything is new except the case...

If you have a 40" Sony TV and sony releases a new 40" Tv with a faster processors, faster wireless speeds, improved cabling, voice-enabled features with slightly better UI that should have been that way from the start, are you going to upgrade? F*ck no. It's still just a 40" tv
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post #134 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:23pm
What are the AT&T store going to do with their cheap silicone iPhone 5 cases now?
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post #135 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:23pm
I think it's great! Contracts are two years anyway so that puts everybody in two camps (not counting early up graders ) those who get the NEW model and those who get the S series. I think this makes it easier to swallow not upgrading till your contract is up. I am happy two be on the S schedule because I'm getting the more refined version. My 3GS has held up great but I have liked the form factor of the 4, can't wait for my new 4s.
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post #136 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by Granmastak View Post

Really? I know two people here in the office with Evos and they're constantly charging them. One of them even changed the battery. Those things are big, ugly, the display looks faded out and despite the higher megapixel, the pictures look way inferior to the ones I take with the iPhone. Everything from color accuracy to shadows to fill light.....

Yeah, the Evo is so awesum, Sprint bet the company on it. Oh, wait, that was the iPhone 4S.
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post #137 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:24pm
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Originally Posted by Sierrajeff View Post

Amazing - you draw a line in the sand; Apple slams through it - and somehow you still turn that into a fail by Apple!

As for who wants 64GB - well, a lot of people - especially all those who were whining on here a few days ago about the iPod Classic going away...

How did AAPL slam through it?
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post #138 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:24pm
What will you say when the iPhone 5 has a bigger screen? ... ... ... Exactly. Good job guys.
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post #139 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:24pm
so when you pre-order do you go to a store to pick it up or do they deliver it to your house?
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post #140 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:25pm
I wonder how Siri works outdoors in NYC? Good luck with that one.
Whatever happened to the digital"wallet" chip? I'd rather have that then some fembot answering questions- I'm not that lonely.
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post #141 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:25pm
NO NFC? NO WALLET? NO TURN-BY-TURN?

WTF!

In other news, the Android platform triples it's lead over iOS...
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post #142 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:25pm
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Originally Posted by sip View Post

I'm still using a factory-unlocked 3GS and am sorely tempted to buy a plain iPhone4 but will probably end up with the 4S. The camera is tempting to be used as a P&S, especially if it comes anywhere near my Nikon D40 (also have a D700 but no point-n-shoot).

The 64GB is welcome as the 8MP images and 1080 video files are going to be huge compared to 5MP and 720 video. Also useful as temporary storage for my dSLRs for when I don't have the iPad with me.

Tough decision to make in the next two days and if I succumb to temptation, I shall pre-order factory unlocked for delivery on 14 Oct 2011.

Good point about the need for 64GB for the camera and Video.
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post #143 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:27pm
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Woohoo! Been waiting for a stock buying opportunity!

Exactly!
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post #144 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:27pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

All this whining amazes me. I realize that there are a lot of people who like nothing better than attacking Apple, but this is absurd.

The new phone has:
- much faster processor
- much faster data speeds
- new antenna
- greatly improved camera
- incredible voice recognition
- Improved software
- World phone capability
- up to twice the storage capacity

In fact, virtually everything is new except the case.

This.

The single best selling cell phone ever just got a dual core heart, more storage, a better camera, voice recognition that (at least from the demos) rivals a star trek movie scene, a new OS and is now a world phone.

...and people are complaining that it looks the same.

"But it looks just like the last one! How will people know that I spent more money than the guy next to me?!"

App idea, the i am rich app launched by voice control...

I weep bitter tears for the shear stupidity of much of humanity.
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post #145 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:28pm
Wow, how many years on these boards now.

Apple announces something new. People come on and say they are underwhelmed - or some remark about how the competition has something better. Only for Apple to blow the competition away and change the way the competition manufactures their products.

Do you people ever get tired of being wrong?
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post #146 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:28pm
Small sample size but reaction is a bit underwhelming.

8 people here in office with iPhones (5 x iPhone 3Gs; 3 x iPhone4), and two of the 3Gs are jailbroken.

Only one is definitely upgrading to iPhone 4s. The rest see nothing sufficiently compelling to warrant the upgrade.

Siri commanded some interest but nobody really wants to talk to their iPhone (I love the feature)
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post #147 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by afreemanmd View Post

What is possibly good about a "world phone" as long as the phone is forever locked to a single carrier, even after contract? I guess if you have Verizon and go to europe, verizon could contract with another carrier to provide you with exorbitantly expensive coverage there. It seems to me the only thing good about this is that is simplifies Apple's manufacturing. This is not much of a feature IMHO unless they sell unlocked versions or will unlock after contract.


They'll offer unlocked versions at some point I'm sure. Your point is well taken.
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post #148 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by LogicNReason View Post

Really? Because my Evo consistently lasts a day and half without needing a charge, and still goes a full day when I'm using 4G to surf the web. Don't get me wrong, I'm sure the iPhone 4S will continue the trend of amazing battery life, but you did NOT return the Evo after 3 days because you never purchased one. I'm not sure why you would need more than a day of battery life to be quite honest.

On that note: For the idiots claiming this isn't a great upgrade, it is. Apple has never been a "bleeding edge technology" company.They've consistently been an "optimize the current technology so it runs better than bleeding edge" and that's exactly what they've given.

On that note, Siri look amazing. Even for beta.

I call BS. I've had an EVO since it was released and I have to carry 2 extra batteries around with me if I'm going to be away from a plug. It has the worst, bar none, battery life of any device out there.
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post #149 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:28pm
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Originally Posted by jragosta View Post

All this whining amazes me. I realize that there are a lot of people who like nothing better than attacking Apple, but this is absurd.

The new phone has:
- much faster processor
- much faster data speeds
- new antenna
- greatly improved camera
- incredible voice recognition
- Improved software
- World phone capability
- up to twice the storage capacity

In fact, virtually everything is new except the case.

Yet everyone is whining "we didn't get anything new - just a faster iPhone). So do you use your phone to make calls or access the internet - or do you spend all your time staring at the case? It's funny that it's the Apple haters who are spending the most time focusing on the package rather than what's inside.

It's a great update - whether they called it iPhone 4S or iPhone 5 or Swiss Cheese.

I totally agree. Apple has updated everything except for the display and the exterior. Outside of the narrow slice of the population represented by posters in this forum, it is a rather impressive new phone.

Yes; I know keeping the same exterior design opens up the iPhone 4s to competitors criticisms that will claim it is nothing new. However, the reality is that it was a great physical design to begin with. Now, with the guts entirely replaced with a major upgrade, we get a new phone with significantly improved performance--and my existing iPhone 4 performed pretty well to begin with.
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post #150 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:29pm
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If I was you (obviously am not) I'd hold onto the iP4 another year. This is a great update, but not that radically different from the 4 especially since most of everything is an OS upgrade not hardware. I'm on a 3GS so for me this would be a major upgrade for hardware and OS... my decision thinking starts... now!

It pretty much just comes down to the speed enhancements. I suppose I'll have to sort out the extra storage capacity to see how much that matters to me. And the other factor will be whether Siri runs on the iPhone 4 or not. It looks like a pretty nice feature to have. And finally, it might actually be profitable to upgrade my phone. Between selling the iPhone 4, buying the 4S, and then selling the 4S for whatever comes next, I might come out ahead or face a negligible cost.

Cool thing about the 4 is that it was the first iPhone where I truly felt that I wouldn't be in a big rush to replace it with the 'next big thing'.

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If you think the Galaxy S II is a "brick," you've obviously never used one or put it in your pocket. The 4, on the other hand... now THAT is a brick.

Screen is too big (and thus the device). Heck, for comfort, the screen on the iPhone is too big, but I wouldn't want it smaller because it would then become even more difficult to interact with. Your curious defense of the Galaxy S II as implied elegance while calling the iPhone 4 a 'brick' by comparison, by the way, is delusional.
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post #151 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:29pm
Actually in those comparison they never compare ALL iOS devices against ALL Android devices because the numbers would not work out so well.

They compare ALL Android phones to ALL iPhones sales.

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In other news, the Android platform triples it's lead over iOS...
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post #152 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:29pm
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Wow, how many years on these boards now.

Apple announces something new. People come on and say they are underwhelmed - or some remark about how the competition has something better. Only for Apple to blow the competition away and change the way the competition manufactures their products.

Do you people ever get tired of being wrong?

+1.....happens every time.
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post #153 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:29pm
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I can't believe that people are getting so emotional about this! It's a PHONE people! And it's nearly entirely new where it matters the most which is INSIDE. Why should Apple redesign the outside every time they upgrade the phone? They don't do that with their computers do they? I think that the problem is that they have moved so quickly on both fronts that people simply expect it to always be that way. It was inevitable that they would slow down on changing the form factor. I'm typing this on a late 2008 15" MacBook Pro. It looks virtually identical to a 2011 15" MacBook Pro. Big deal! It's funny because this makes me think of how people are with cars. They think a car is so different/better if the sheet metal gets changed significantly, but the internals are all the same as there previous model. Car companies take advantage of this all the time! Apple most likely feels that the current design of the iPhone 4 is good enough to stick with for another year. And you know what? They'll sell MILLIONS of them! So stop crying like a bunch of babies that just got their lollipops stolen. The iPhone 4S is a serious upgrade where it really counts and that's in performance!

Amen!
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post #154 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:30pm
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Originally Posted by scottdreed_fsi View Post

I see your point my man, but really, you didn't think after the past 3 product launches being home runs that Apple would debut a totally new iPhone? The stock is diving it seems. That's a shame!

The iPhone 3GS was a better iPhone 3G with some new hardware features, and all-around improvements to existing features. The iPhone 4S is that and more with the introduction of Siri. So much for your "That's a shame" theory.
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post #155 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:31pm
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Originally Posted by RedHotJeff View Post

What will you say when the iPhone 5 has a bigger screen? ... ... ... Exactly. Good job guys.

There will be no iPhone 5. And I'll still say that it sucks eggs if any future iPhone has a larger screen.

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In other news, the Android platform triples it's lead over iOS...

Not in profits. Or in sales. Or marketshare. Or user retention. Or customer feedback.

So in what?

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Wow, how many years on these boards now.

Apple announces something new. People come on and say they are underwhelmed - or some remark about how the competition has something better. Only for Apple to blow the competition away and change the way the competition manufactures their products.

Do you people ever get tired of being wrong?

I'm more surprised that I keep finding it flipping hilarious every single time.
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post #156 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:32pm
i like how disappointing tim cook quoted prices on contract, does he believe that everybody buys on contract? how can he expect iPhone 4 users to fork out 700 bucks for this damp squib of an upgrade. he's taking us for a ride
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post #157 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:32pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

"4G-like", of course, being a term for HSPA+.

Not HSPA+, but still HSDPA, as indicated in the presentation. The difference between iP4 and iP4S appears to be the use of up to two upstream channels by the 4S.

In addition to throughput rates, let's see the latency statistics.

disappointing, but you can't say Apple is making any recent iPhone buyers feel depressed.

btw: I'm never using a dictation service that requires uploading/disclosing info. and I see nothing in Siri basic that should require the 4S.
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post #158 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:32pm
Ok, time to stop being negative nancy. So all current 4 cases will still work on the 4S? That's good. That and my increased stake in AAPL, pretty good day.
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post #159 of 636
10/4/11 at 12:33pm
Market is not impressed reflecting the initial reaction that many existing Apple iPhone 4 users may not find the 4S sufficiently compelling to warrant the upgrade.

It's still a great phone but will it entice others to buy it now or wait for the iPhone 5?
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10/4/11 at 12:33pm
They increased the 3G talk time by 1 hour, but decreased the WiFi usage by 1 hour, and everything else stated the same. While that might not seem impressive for a 16 month later revision you have to remember this is now the most sophisticated and complete world mode device which have a history of poor power efficiency so that is quite impressive overall for the same svelte design.


PS: So what about that totally flawed and unusable external antenna? Seems like Apple liked it enough to use it for another year.
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