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Originally Posted by spliff monkey View Post

I'm surprised at the reactions too. Why don't people realize that generally most Americans are locked into two year contracts. Why would Apple try and sell you a new phone every year if that is the case? DUH

New Camera, chip, etc etc.... everything but the body is new and SIRI looks amazing. Anyone who says "my droid had it first" is not understanding the depth of voice commands in SIRI. It's bordering on AI, not simple voice recognition.

Relax people. Don't cry all you who have 4's are generally supposed to upgrade to 5's next year anyway.

Why I'm getting a 4S:

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He may not know what to call it. But the difference absolutely is there.

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The best example we have of this is the iPad to iPad 2. After all, that is an A4 to A5 comparison. My dad had an iPad 1 and then bought an iPad 2. I asked him if he noticed any differences between them. He said he loved how the 2 was a lot thinner. When I asked about speed, he said, "Speed?". (And the iPad 2 had more RAM as well.)
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vlingo and google's recognition work on lowend Androids.

This artificial intelligence thing... I have a feeling it would be sweet if it worked, but I just somehow doubt Apple has replicated IBM's Watson for iOS. With this type of thing it's either awesome or a useless gimmick and toy.

Have you watched the SIRI demo? It DOES look awesome and it is definitely NOT the same thing as Android's VR. What can't you see or what do you see that isn't "awesome"? Apple is not about false advertising. In fact they generally pretty reserved with their promises.
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No, but how long did we wait for those?

Roughly a year if I recall. So this time around, they broke from the June/July time-frame and are releasing 4 months later. Still, Apple didn't go around teasing an iPhone 5 with a complete redesign. They were as tight-lipped as always and it was the tech blogs that hyped this up. We, of course, ate it up and you have what we see here today...some disappointed people. I agree with another poster who commented that had it been the same exact internals and specs but with a totally redesigned exterior, there wouldn't be all this hemming and hawing.
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Why I'm getting a 4S:


Ditto
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You obviously are not a software developer. You need to talk to one before making such statements.

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Originally Posted by delToros View Post

But this dual core cpu is worthless. For more than a year of ip4 run we saw only few games/apps, which could show us "magic" of a4 cpu. a5 maybe good for infinity blade 2, but this is a) the only game for next six-seven moths which will use full potential of dualcore b) very stupid and boring game. I've bought it once to see graphics, but now I don't need some minor shadow/light improvements.

There is no possibility to use these speed on iphone. Such speed requires bigger screen and better inputs (aka mouse or keyboard).
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Originally Posted by resnyc View Post

Totally false. Only a portion of the narrow slice of the market which obsesses over these announcements (AI users) actually "expected" Apple to have a new form factor, based on assumptions and rumors only. Many of us were hoping but there was no reason whatsoever to "expect" Apple would do anything other than what they assessed was the best thing they could do at this moment. Which pretty much describes Apple's behavior in the last 10 years.

Nonsense. A good 50% of the tweets in my twitter feed and Facebook wall, most from non techie iPhone users expressed disappointment.

Here is the FT: investors disappointed in Apple.

http://t.co/XtQ7Cj6D

Also they probably wanted to produce an iPhone 5 this year. Otherwise why wait? This is a cockup not a strategic move.
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

Wow, how many years on these boards now.

Apple announces something new. People come on and say they are underwhelmed - or some remark about how the competition has something better. Only for Apple to blow the competition away and change the way the competition manufactures their products.

Do you people ever get tired of being wrong?

Well, realistically, 90+% of the people complaining are Apple haters and fandroids who were just waiting for AI to post the article so they could start their nonsensical trash-talk. The rest criticizing the 4S don't really understand what they are talking about; as pointed out numerous times in this thread, everything is new but the case and screen, and those are both still the best available by a long shot.
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why i'm getting a 4s:


rofl #1 "A keyboard... How quaint."
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Latest rumour:

iPhone 5 coming in October 2012
4.5 inch screen
Thinner body
Teardrop shape
Aluminum unibody
A6 processor
iOS6
Siri II (really works now)
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So now I'm reading no SIRI for iPad2??? Only for iPhone 4S???
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Originally Posted by MrMan365 View Post

People like you with low expectations are easily pleased. What's wrong with expecting better things.
I'm disappointed. I wanted to upgrade my iPhone 4 to something better. I see myself eyeing up a windows phone and tablet now...
Apple have become lazy. But perhaps they have had their time now. They have had a good 10year run. Before was the underdog. But I See other companies in the pipeline to take the crown by innovating new products and apple are making it easy for them.

That's it, I want a new gadget and apple have denied me that gift to myself so I'm going elsewhere.

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Where were all of you when the iMac refresh was announced? Sure larger screen but same boring color scheme of silver and black and same aluminum and glass crap! Apple you ARE getting lazy! How many more iMacs do we have to endure of this tired design? You do know sarcasm when you read it don't you?
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Give me a break. The processing power needed to run Siri is only available on A5 devices like the new phone and the iPad 2.

I doubt this. Android has similar voice actions on phones with much older hardware and less processing power.

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The same sorts of limitations on software existed for users of the original iPhone.

Voice commands just aren't as demanding as say multi-tasking.

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I think people who are disappointed in this new phone are crazy. For me, this will be as important a jump in performance as the original iPhone to the iPhone 3GS was (I skipped the iPhone 3G).

From an iPhone 4? I don't think so. From a 3GS to a 4S? Yes.

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I think the biggest unknown is Siri. I was less than impressed with it as a stand alone app. If Apple can duplicate the user experience seen in the video or the demo today this will be huge for a lot of users.

It's sad that Apple is now using specific software to sell different versions of hardware. iPhone 4 owners should get Siri because their phones can run it. Heck, the 3GS would be able to run Siri. It should have been a part of iOS5, not some stand alone feature on the iPhone 4S.
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Originally Posted by Robin Huber View Post

Apple designs, and the iPhone in particular, are so refined and elegant that it leaves nowhere to go without destroying it. It's like Detroit carmakers who would once in a while come up with an iconic design, but the pressures of the marketplace required them to "update" that design for several years. They would destroy its integrity by adding fins, chrome, and other crap in the name of "new."

The next design of the iPhone will have to be something completely new, and the current classically simple design is so pleasing that there is no reason to supersede it, yet. It has taken today's aesthetic to the max. In a way it's like we have to wait for our culture to evolve a bit further before we can come up with something as iconic to harmonize with it.

Pity Apple's competitors who have nothing visual to copy for the next year. They'll just have to keep adding buttons and silly shapes to give the illusion of design innovation.

This is very similar to the iPad to IPad 2 transition. Techies disappointed. Market reacted positively. Its a winning proven story for Apple. iPhone 4S will sell very well. no doubt. I think I am seeing a pattern with iOS devices.
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post #295 of 636
Considering I'm on Sprint and still use a LG Lotus, I'm completely happy w/today's announcements. Now to get my mom on an iPhone. My daughters will be Facetiming w/gramma any chance they can get
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Originally Posted by benanderson89 View Post

iPhone 4S = iPhone 5 with the name "4S" instead of "5"
It would have the same internals - don't deny it.

Yup.

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Why is everyone bitching in here?

It's always like this after an Apple press event. Always. The post-event bitching is part of the tradition.

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Its a good phone - the only thing I see missing from the rumoured 5 is the larger display and, to be honest, the iPhone already has a fantastic display (probably the best on the market), so I'm more than happy to give up the larger display panel to keep the high DPi count and not have apps break for one reason or another.

It's not just a good phone. It's the all-around best phone on the market. A lot of people need the iPhone to out-spec Android phones because that's generally the way nerds talk and value things. So, LTE, Wimax service is a key talking point even though it is not available to most of the people in the USA and not available to the vast majority of the people around the world. Apple will get here with this. If people can't wait, they should switch to an LTE/Wimax phone now. Maybe Apple will convince them the next go around.

Likewise, screen size is one of the things Apple will not chase Android on as they value the handling qualities (one-handed use, pocket-ability) of their devices (no more than 2.4" wide and 4.5" tall) more than screen size. I don't think they'll ever go bigger here. Maybe 4" if the fabled edge-to-edge screen tech proves real, but I think they really want to maintain 2.4 x 4.4 planform dimensions. 10 years of iPod experience there.

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The 64GB storage, the 1080p video recording, higher quality photographs with faster shutter, far better graphics capabilities, improved antenna design - I'm pre ordering one!

7x GPU! It's the fastest GPU on the market. And if it has 1 GB RAM combined with a dual-core A9, it'll make all of the software faster. The 64 GB is mine. So more videos, more music, more apps, and the apps will run smoother. That's awesome. And if the image stabilization is any good, awesome.
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

He may not know what to call it. But the difference absolutely is there.

There sure is a difference. Just look at some of the apps and games coming out that need the power of the A5 chip on the iPad 2.

The same thing is going to happen with the iPhone. There will be certain new games and apps that will be optimized for the A5 chip in the new iPhone and people stuck with older iPhones will be shit out of luck.
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In a way it's like we have to wait for our culture to evolve a bit further before we can come up with something as iconic to harmonize with it.

I like the way you think.
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Does anyone know if Siri will work on an iPhone 4?

It'll work until October 15th. Then it apparently shuts off. (Launch Siri. It'll tell you this).
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Originally Posted by TenoBell View Post

He may not know what to call it. But the difference absolutely is there.

I'm not denying that the A5 is faster. I'm an electrical engineer so I can definitely appreciate the technical differences. However, the business part of me still has to ask about the change in experience for the typical user. In terms of the tasks that most people will do on their phone, will they really notice a difference?

Sure, games (for instance) may run better, but is that enough? Honestly, I use my iPhone for running Safari, Email, Music, Phone, and maybe a few simple games. At a certain point, the additional power does not become useful.
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Originally Posted by lionelhuts View Post

Well, I think a lot of people imagined it. How long did it take for your apps to load on your 3G? People knew it need a speed boost.

Now how long does it take apps to load on your iPhone 4? I know apps on mine load very quickly. So even if the 4s is instantaneous loading, is the user experience really that much improved?

The best example we have of this is the iPad to iPad 2. After all, that is an A4 to A5 comparison. My dad had an iPad 1 and then bought an iPad 2. I asked him if he noticed any differences between them. He said he loved how the 2 was a lot thinner. When I asked about speed, he said, "Speed?". (And the iPad 2 had more RAM as well.)

Well, we'll see. Good points (1st pgrph). But seriously, your dad? Is he multitasking photo-editing and video-editing software? People I know who use iPad2 professionally say the difference between it and iPad1 was like the difference between a tool and a toy. I'm really only guessing how a dramatic increase in iP4S processor capacity will affect the user experience, but it sounds impressive enough to assume that it will allow the device to do things we haven't even thought of doing with a smartphone before - just like we had never thought of half the things the phones we have now can do.
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Originally Posted by Slurpy View Post

Apple is 'unable to compete in the phone business' and 'in last place' , while having the best selling phone, by a massive margin, in the industry? Are you insane, or just fucking stupid? Sure, I'm also disappointed we didn't get a new form factor and larger screen, but there's no point spouting factually untrue and sensationalistic statements with no basis in reality, as you just did. iOS5, iCloud, and Siri look amazing, and as far as I can tell more polished and better implemented than anything else in the industry. Whether you like it or no, Apple is still in the lead- by a wide margin.

I been using Mobile Me for two years, a sheer disaster by any standard, iCloud is way suspect...
I trusted the spin & have spent endless hours to keep it barely working... I live in the real world...

I bought iPhone 4, Apple replaced it because it didn't work, serious antenna issues...

I bought IPAD, Apple replaced it twice trying to find one where the wifi worked...
It's wifi still barely works now, my cheap $300 netbook wifi runs circles around it and the iPhone...

I bought a MacBook, Apple replaced keyboard, case, dvd drive, hard drive...

I bought a iMac & MacBook Air... They've been great...

I am heavily invested in Apple products, but is clear as avid user Apple is falling way behind in the phone world... So all Apple did today is fix the marginal stuff iPhone 4... Look at Apple own spec comparison chart on the web... It is barely a speed bump... The distortion field does not work anymore...
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Originally Posted by Guava View Post

Latest rumour:

iPhone 5 coming in October 2012
4.5 inch screen
Thinner body
Teardrop shape
Aluminum unibody
A6 processor
iOS6
Siri II (really works now)

I predict that Siri beta will be shipped on iPhone 4S. When it goes official 1.0 it will be either a free upgrade or a purchase option from the App store on iPhone 4 and iPad 2.
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I'm surprised at the reactions too. Why don't people realize that generally most Americans are locked into two year contracts. Why would Apple try and sell you a new phone every year if that is the case? DUH

why? because Apple is a worldwide company that sells huge numbers abroad. In not many countries you'll find this ludicrous situation where people are forced into buying a phone into a two years contract (without ever be able to unlock it) in order to own an iPhone or any phone. There is a big world out there, you know
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You can pick up reading glasses at Walmart for $10.

Apple isn't responsible for your vision problems.



A lot of people don't use the iOS accessibility functions but it does allow you to enlarge text for certain apps on the phone.
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Originally Posted by Guava View Post

iPhone 5 coming in October 2012

Except this is the iPhone 5.

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Siri II (really works now)

Claiming something doesn't work when you've not only not used it yourself but also haven't even SEEN IT makes you look like a complete imbecile.

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Apple actually did all of you iPhone 4 owners a favor. You don't need to upgrade to still look like you have the newest phone.

I'm certainly not rushing out to buy the 4s. I'll probably keep my iPhone 4 until next year when I will be out of contact, so none of this really affects me.

It just goes to show that Apple doesn't need iPhone 4 users to upgrade in order to sell millions of new phones to first time buyers.

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Honestly the reason people are getting so worked up about this is because apple has become so big. They are in the spotlight more so than when they announced the 3GS. As I was reading the updates I was originally very disappointed with the upgrades for the new iPhone. Partly because of the rumors and I was really looking forward to something completely new. As a teenager I was quick to judge the 4S and throw it out the window as I feel most of the people complaining are. But when you actually look at it, this is a great upgrade and worthy of apples standards. However I feel my generation will still be unhappy simply because it looks the same which is a real shame.

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why? because Apple is a worldwide company that sells huge numbers abroad. In not many countries you'll find this ludicrous situation where people are forced into buying a phone into a two years contract (without ever be able to unlock it) in order to own an iPhone or any phone. There is a big world out there, you know

Yup and America is still Apple's largest and if you are buying out of contract how tempted are you to spend nearly $1,000/ year on a new phone even if you aren't tied to a contract? If you're ok with that you do what I do and have two iPhone plans and upgrade one phone every other year. I'm pretty sure I am as well as those who would buy a new phone out of contract EVERY year are few and far between.
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That is why this presentation is sad

Yes, it was not over the moon exciting but the iPhone 4s will be a great upgrade for 3gs users. ip4 users can wait until ip5. The ip4 is still a very current and in my view, beautiful device and can hold its own for a while longer. So we missed the excitement but nothing bad happened.
The bigger news over the next few weeks is iOS and iCloud anyway.

I am very happy that an iPhone 5 looking anything like those alleged previews (cases revealing an aluminum back with bevelled edge) was not launched. That would have been an aesthetic travesty in my view. When the iPhone 5 launches I suspect we will see a much lighter, leaner phone with curved glass similar to the Nokia Swipe.
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Let me start by saying that I took the news harshly, I was really hoping for a smaller phone, I personally find the iPhone 4 to be bigger than it's screen than it needs to be. I thought s year and a half could have solved that.
It is a better device now, just, not enough to make me want to upgrade, BUT I promised my gf that I'd give her my iPhone when I got the new one. I guess I'm just less excited now.

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1) Yeah, a processor, GPU and its interconnects that can do more in less time is a good thing for many reasons. If you don't understand that then it would be pointless for me to explain.

I do get this, being highly educated in CS. I just don't buy it in the case of phones. I am of the opinion that machines are starting to actually be overpowered, which I think will change eventually. I do understand that NOT putting in the A5 would have been very bad, so I cede this point.
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2) You honestly don't how faster internet speeds could help with anything other than torrenting? Perhaps battery usage efficiency being able to use the cellular chips less often. Or perhaps being able to render webpages and data in apps faster, like streaming of video. You really think waiting is a good thing here?

Fair enough, but let's think about real world use. I have an iPhone 4 and I don't wait for much of anything, this faster phone speed probably just uses more power. Seems like a non feature to me, for most carriers especially, I mean, I am in Canada and I doubt well get any hsdpa+ or whatever anytime soon. But yeah all in all I haven't found the current speeds lacking, but then upgrading the chips to something less than 4G, ouch.
And then theres coverae issues which I'd bet affect speeds way more than these theoretical maxes.
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3) It wasn't a problem, but neither was it a problem with any other iPhone before it. Apple makes their stuff better. Why does this seem so alien to you?

I wasn't saying it was a bad thing, in fact, for those that bought the antenagate hype, it's great. It just doesn't matter to me, or anyone with an i4 that hasn't had reception problems.
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4) It's improved in several good ways according to event data. I'm not one to use a camera but I can certainly see why better quality photos, that are better stability and especially in low light settings are a good thing of those that use it.

oh yeah, no doubt. Just not upgrade bait really... Honestly this is like the best new feature as far as I am concerned.
5) It has been seen. What part of the Siri/Nuance Assistant do you think won't be as good as the voice recognition in iOS 4.x?[/QUOTE]
Voice recognition in iOS 4 has failed me consistently and I really do my best to be loud and articulate. So I'm not getting my hopes up, looks quite cool though, I just wonder how useful it will be. But hey, if it gets us closer to getting away from keyboards, all the better. I'd love to see this on a new iPod shuffle! I also hope they update that voice, it's pretty weak IMHO

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6) Again, why pooh-pooh improved software because Apple is offering it to other devices. I'm sure you'd complain if Apple oddly didn't give the iPhone 4S new SW features so why complain when they do. You should at least leave it as a null value.

Oh I'd complain alright,
I was only shooting this down as being a reason to buy the new phone.
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7) For the most part you are right; this won't affect many users right away. This also could be the reason for this extra long delay since getting a world mode chip in a smartphone with this many bands has never before been done, especially in such a small smartphone. However, this does open the door for the US finally being to get legislation to get carriers to unlock devices after your contract is fulfilled. Why is that a bad thing?

Not bad, unless the lower battery life is the result... I find it strange that wifi time is lower but 3G times are higher..
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8) Prove to me they could have put these 64GB chips in the number of iPhones sold in the last 16 months. What were the yields of these chips then compared to the assumed upper-tier iPhone 4 sales? What were its cost per unit? How much power did they use? How fast were the chips? How was the reliability of these chips? Last I had read a year ago was they weren't as fast and had a significantly lower number of read/write sessions that made them unlikely to find their way into the iPhone until 2011. Reading about a new tech on Engadget doesn't mean it's ready for mass production in the most popular devices on the planet.

Sure, iPod touch has had 64gb for 16 months. That's proof no?

Had the same TV, same stereo system, but got the newest AppleTV and new TiVo HD. Made the experience considerably better because core devices made accessing my media better, faster and more enjoyable. Buying a new TV just because the black plastic border is a little difference would not have made a difference.[/QUOTE]

O so maybe tvs are replaced as often but my point remains, the device Form factor has remained identical for more than ayear, in the technology industry that's like 80 lifetimes. HP lauched and killed a product in the meantime!
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Originally Posted by woolie View Post

I been using Mobile Me for two years, a sheer disaster by any standard, iCloud is way suspect...
I trusted the spin & have spent endless hours to keep it barely working... I live in the real world...

I bought iPhone 4, Apple replaced it because it didn't work, serious antenna issues...

I bought IPAD, Apple replaced it twice trying to find one where the wifi worked...
It's wifi still barely works now, my cheap $300 netbook wifi runs circles around it and the iPhone...

I bought a MacBook, Apple replaced keyboard, case, dvd drive, hard drive...

I bought a iMac & MacBook Air... They've been great...

I am heavily invested in Apple products, but is clear as avid user Apple is falling way behind in the phone world... So all Apple did today is fix the marginal stuff iPhone 4... Look at Apple own spec comparison chart on the web... It is barely a speed bump... The distortion field does not work anymore...

wow.. Dude way bad luck!

I have:

2 - PowerMac G3s,
1 - Sawtooth G4
1 - Gigabit G4
1 - eMac G4
1 - iMac G3
1 - 21" iMac Intel Core 2
1 - iBook G3
1 - Macbook Intel 13"
1 - Macbook Pro 13"
3 - iPhone 4
1 - iPad 1
1 - 3rd Gen iPod touch
1 - iPod Nano (forgot which gen, 2 back I think)

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~ 16 apple devices. I have only had problems with one of them and it was the iBook G3 video problem. Which Apple resolved for free after it was out of warranty.
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post #313 of 636
Apple should've just issued a press release and updated the website for this non-event.
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If you think Apple is counting on people upgrading their phones every year, you are sadly mistaken. Especially in this economy. Give it a rest.

I would, and lot more users would do too, maybe you won't but that doesn't mean you should restrict people to upgrade every two years just because you are on a contract or are unable to.
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..... and they expect us iPhone 4 users upgrade to this at the tune of 700 buck?

No.. I visited my account on AT&T and it looks like I'm already eligible for an upgrade at 199$ for the 16GB.

I bought in August, few weeks after the initial launch because I was waiting on resolution to antenna-gate.

I guess if you bought later, like on the Verizon launch or the white iPhone launch, you wouldn't be eligible.

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Same girl different dress. Not worth trading my 3GS in for, sell the stock now the unit numbers will disappoint through the end of the year.
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..... and they expect us iPhone 4 users upgrade to this at the tune of 700 buck?

No, they expect Sprint users and 3GS users to.
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The keynote vid has been posted:

Apple Special Event - October 4, 2011
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Does it really matter what its called? They could have called it iPhone 5.. it delivered on ALL the goods except a new enclosure and screen. Since I am completely satisfied with the enclosure and its size in my pocket I could care less.

A rose by any other name is still as SWEET!!!!
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