Apple unveils iPhone 4S with A5 CPU and 4G-like data speeds - Page 10

If you value higher cellular data rates over battery life, then you should buy the device with cellular higher data rates. I'm not trying to convince you otherwise. However, Apple's eye is on the prize here: to sell as many devices as possible as profitable as possible using good integrated design that makes digital devices easier to use.

Is being the first person with, or first company selling, a phone with fastest data connection the most important thing about selling a phone? Nope. It's one of the factors, and Apple thinks it's weak factor. They have never supported next-gen networks first.

Does the population at large think it is important to have the fastest data network first? No I don't think so. Only a select few. Most people, the 90%, want to use a device with the least amount of friction as possible. That's why the iPhone changed the mobile world. With Siri, they are attempting to make it easier to use. I'm kind of skeptical, but I hope it works. If they do make it work, change people's habits and make it like Star Trek, then they have changed the world again. A faster wireless network and larger screen would not do this.

With all the internal and software changes, their message is that they are making it easier to use: the camera is marketed as taking great low light pictures (user enhancement), as being fast to take pictures with (user enhancement), as taking great image stabilized videos (user enhancement), as running apps faster, smoother, and better, iCloud makes your data available on all devices quickly (user enhancement), etc.

The Nexus Prime announcement is going to be very interesting indeed. The Nexus S is in some ways already superior to the 4S, but if the Nexus Prime rumours (yes I know, rumours are useless etc) are true - 4.5" 720p screen... Then I imagine it will tempt more than a few disappointed iPhone owners away, including me.

When "Retina Display" came out, I remember press about how the resolution was actually higher than the human eye could discern, at normal reading distance (i.e., you'd have to use a magnifying glass to perceive the pixels). So if they made the screen 10% larger, I really doubt it would have appeared fuzzier to the user holding it at normal distance from the eye. But this is obviously an academic point, for now.

Investors are a fickle group. Trust me, when they see how many of these Apple will sell over the course of the next year they'll push the stock to new highs. Definitely a good buying opportunity here.

Apple never promised that it would have a microwave built in.

Except the market closes at 4 PM, not 2 PM.

AAPL closed: $372.5 -2.10 -0.56%

Nice how you tried to construe the facts to fit your own agenda!

It could be worse. You could have been like me wanting to upgrade from an iPod Touch 3rd generation to the 5th. I waited an entire year and was given....white.

Did anyone notice that the standby time has dropped from 300 hours for the iPhone 4, to 200 hours for the iPhone 4s? I guess the 's' stands for suck, as in 'sucks the battery.' For me, not needing to recharge frequently is way more important than being able to have my phone take dictation...

and when Apple starts using voice features to sell updates... Anyone talking to their cellphone or their computer looks like a dork, and I'll leave it at that. Remember that 'my password is my voice' feature they added when OS 9 was getting long in the tooth? Yeah, me neither. \

[QUOTE=Shrike;1956893Apple's eye is on the prize here: to sell as many devices as possible as profitable as possible [/QUOTE]

Kind of like when the champoinship winners won't hire the best players for the team the next year, because they know that they will sell out the stadium and make more money no matter what.

Virtually all of these super sized Android screens are lower resolution than the iPhone 4's small screen, but they look fine. The iPhone 4 res could easily handle another inch in screen size.

That said, the new high end Android stuff is full 1280x720 on a 4.5" screen, which must look pretty spectacular.

I'm no fool and I don't use my phone in any extraordinary way. In fact, just last night, I went to a concert, changed the battery before I left, knowing I'd never get through the evening without doing so and guess what, it didn't even last through the opening act. It was fully charged and I basically did nothing with it. I had 4g turned off, never have wifi turned in and the battery couldn't even get through an evening. And this is not a strange occurrence. So I'd say, based on my experience, you are an android apologist liar. Because poor battery life is all software. And the EVO can't touch the Iphone for battery life. ONLY you claim otherwise, not even HTC would make such an easily debunked claim.

Isn't looking fine subjective. Someone who has trouble seeing words on the iPhone 4 would require a phone with high resolution not simply a larger screen to resolve the detail.

This is going to be a nice upgrade to the 3GS i have. Can't wait. Perfect size, perfect software.

Oh sure... but you have no problem making snarky comments.

What is with people bashing the Evo today? Seriously, it's a great phone.
"Except the camera is better" It sure as hell better be. It had a year and half to improve. The Evo's camera is still nothing to scoff at though.

"the notifications are better" This comment is so misplaced and fanboy-ed I won't even give it a response.

"and the 4G is better (same speed, no drained battery)" Have you actually used HSPA+? It is no where near the promised speeds. I consistently get 7-8 Mbps down here in Columbus (Go Bucks!... ), while my roommate's T-Mobile Mytouch "4G" is lucky to hit 4-5.

Actually use a device before you bash it next time. Otherwise it makes you "look like shit."

I have a friend who sells mobile phones for a living and she says that her iPhone customers are way happier than her Android customers. Battery life, built quality and security are huge issues with the Android platform. She has a company paid Blackberry but her next phone is an iPhone.

Beauty is more than skin-deep.

No. If Apple hasn't produced a successful design, they will suffer for it. It's true in sports as well. (I live in Houston, and maybe you know the Oilers history here). Apple's developed a strong brand to withstand mistakes, as sports teams do, but if they continue to fail, they'll suffer for it. Apple was on the brink of going out of business in 1996-1997 after-all.

Really it boils down to "best overall experience" is a better market strategy then "best 'specs'". If you think the best best "specs" is the winning strategy, you don't know Apple. I put specs in quotes because in reality they are just a feature lists. Specifications could be anything from animation rate at 30 fps for all scrolling to the device shall be no more than 10 mm in thickness. And every company games these feature lists one way or the other: cell data service is not unlimited even though it is marketed as such, a device is not 9 mm thick when there are bumps 10 mm thick, battery life advertised at 8 hours should not be based on some hyper-optimum condition of no software load, lab perfect radio conditions, etc.

But I digress, Apple as company makes a choice for you on many things. They believe it produces a better product. Given this, what do you think serves the product, the company, better: LTE at 4 hrs battery life or CDMA at 8 hrs battery life? Which would you bet your billion dollar company on? Which would produce better user satisfaction?

I think new buyers and those upgrading are going for the Android 4G phones in huge numbers. Take a look at the reported top 10 selling android phones. None are inexpensive and more than half are advertised as. . . 4G.

It's a better selling point than you give it credit for.

http://blendblogger.com/2011/09/05/t...d-cell-phones/

Entirely new internals, including faster processor, antenna and camera, and a new operating system sounds like a nice new phone to me. Looks like everyone is upset because people won't be able to tell they have the NEWEST one and not the not-as-new one... oh no cell phone bragging right turmoil!!!

I never claimed that the Evo's life is comparable to the iPhone. In fact, I'm well aware that they're not even close. However, what you are claiming is a completely strange occurrence. As someone who works with Android phones (particularly the Evo) everyday I can tell you that you probably need a new battery/your battery is damaged. HTC offered an update to stop the stray processes running on the Evo a month or two after it was released. On top of the fact that Gingerbread further improved this. I'm not saying that the Evo even comes close to the iPhone for battery life, it doesn't. What I am saying is your experience is unusual. Don't project it on everyone.

I have a hard time understand how Apple has "failed" here. Are you seriously disappointed that Apple didn't beat others in the camera megapixel war???

I think you're missing the big picture. If a phone is nothing more than the sum of its hardware specs, then you'd go, gee it only has 512Mb of RAM like it actually meant something. And yeah, the spec whores out there will think that way. But Apple isn't selling specs, they're selling the complete user experience. So yeah, the iPhone 4S has 512Mb of RAM, but then it's the only mobile platform for games like Infinity Blade 2 and RAGE. Or that Apple has balanced great battery life, portability, and capability, rather than just go all out and make the biggest, least pocketable phone with the shortest battery life. Third, you have to remember that iCloud and Siri improve the user experience and add to the platform's core value proposition. These incremental improvements are a net gain for the platform. Apple took nothing away: they added more hardware, improved user experience, and did not raise the price over last year's model.

WTF? Why would you need a bigger screen to get more performance?

I have an iPhone 4. Loading TapZoo (which isn't even that demanding of a game) can take 10 seconds or more with the size of zoo I have. ZombieFarm is similar - or longer. Not to mention that even simple apps take a few seconds to load. More speed is definitely useful.

Of course, if you don't want it, not one is making you buy it.


That's insane. Unless you're always operating at your carrier's maximum transmission speed, a better antenna helps. Not to mention that the chipset is apparently better with a higher top speed.


So you're one of those who can't tell the difference between number of pixels and picture quality. Gotcha.

At 8 MP with 73% greater light gathering capability, this will be a very nice camera. My iPhone 4 takes great pictures unless there's not enough light out there. 60% more pixels with 73% more light gathering will go a long way.


Really? You've used it? You can tell us that no one is going to find any value in Siri?


No, what sad is the number of people who want Apple to work miracles every year and when Apple produces a product that is significantly better in every way but the screen size and case, they whine endlessly as if Apple beat up their baby sister.


Really? What Android app does what Siri does? Or does it as well?


Baloney. Voice recognition has always been recognized as having a serious demand for CPU performance. Multitasking? Not so much - especially the way the iPhone does it.


Let's see - games, web browser, picture editing, application switching, faster camera, etc. The faster CPU is going to help precisely those things that most average people do.


Exactly.


So you're point is that you're so uninformed about the market that you think that a one day price swing is a valid indication of whether a product is any good or not? Yes, you did manage to prove that point very well.

"You cant prioritize, choose the sort order, determine what apps you want to actually be in that drawer nothing"
This is entirely false. Nearly every app has options for what you want to do with notifications. The difference is iOS has the options built in, while Android has the apps decide which options they should allow to change.
"Beyond Apples superior Notification Center UI and the great widget support" superior UI is subjective, and Android notifications have had widget support since they were announced with 2.1.


Dear god, debunking all these lies is mking me sound like an Android fanboy Can you people learn about the opposing OSes before you start bashing them or regurgitating blogs on the internet?

No, but AppleInsider did

Only the spec whores.

Yet not a single one of those Android 4G phones outsells even Apple's last generation (3GS) phone. And now that they have the 4GS, it's not out of the question that we might see Apple have the top 3 phones on the market (although I suspect that the 3GS will drop to somewhere in the top 10 training the iPhone 4 and 4S which will probably be #1 and #2).

He doesn't bet on the future. He just makes snarky "maybe" comments about how Apple has jumped the shark... but then won't commit about Apple's success or failure.

Apple's specs are great other than screen size... and I sure as hell won't trade the great experience I get from the iPhone for something that gives me a bigger screen and nothing else.

Well, I can tell you this. I know ton's of iPhone owners, and not a single one of them has turned in any iPhone model for an Android phone. In fact, I only know people who have done the opposite and never looked back. Just like very few people that switch to a Mac go back to Windows. Bottom line from what I see is if you like Apple products you are very likely to stick with them. Things like not offering LTE network access isn't going to make someone that loves Apple products and has all of their media already set up in iTunes switch over. Particularly given the extremely limited availability of LTE networks right now. Plus, we're talking about a phone here as well. Speaking for myself I care much more about faster Internet access at home, on my laptop or iPad. Don't get me wrong, faster is better, but I would never buy an Android device simply because of it.

Well, definitely not the iPhone I was hoping for, but Siri should make the iPhone 4S worthwhile.

I'm looking forward to October 14th to go and pick up my new iPhone 4S and to begin given some outrageous commands.

As I write this there are 383 posts to this thread.

I'd wager that 90% of the negative or dissatisfied posts are from well known fandroids or outright trolls!

Then there's that guy that every [Apple] product he buys has to be returned or replaced... several times!

I just don't understand how Apple can stay in business -- building inferior products and ignoring the customers' needs and desires.

Does anyone know why the standby time drops to 200 hours (from 300) for the new iPhone?

+1 awesome just awesome.

Absolutely true. Apple has an amazing product with a great reputation. Do remember that when comparing smartphone sales that the Android phones they're compared to generally are sold on just a single carrier, unlike Apple's iPhone, particularly the 4G. Many may not understand that, not that it means much really. Unless you're insecure with your choice of smartphone, I don't know why it would matter that you bought the most popular one (unless you're a stockholder)

So, can we call this time to Apple 'copycat'? I think yes, since Apple did to Samsung. 4th Oct 11 might be the turnning point for Apple.

My guess would be the faster processor. CPU cycles aren't free.

ten years from now... Damn Apple... I am not upgrading to the iPhone 15! Those lazy SOBs didnt not change the case design radically from the iPhone 14! Those lazy industrial designers!

So a previous poster mentioned that the 4S supports HSPA+. I thought the specs said HSDPA? Are they the same?