Apple unveils iPhone 4S with A5 CPU and 4G-like data speeds - Page 11

Yes, but not "new" in the way the word is usually used. New and "refreshed" are generally not used interchangeably, but if you enjoy doing so, knock yourself out.

ahem, 3000$ machine made for getting work done vs sub-300$ machine for everyday work, play, etc...
different category... and some people were disapointed with the lack of a form factor refresh. WHile we're on the topic, wtf is up with the huge ass bezel on all these devices, the iMac has a huge 3 inch slab below the screen... WHY?! God knows they don't need/use the room.

That would be the 14S... not the 15.

Nope. But thanks for playing.

Why should they be any faster to replace the good design of a "sub-$300" device than they are the good design of a "$3000" device? And have you actually looked at the teardown views at iFixIt? Are you presenting a well-informed criticism of the iMac's lower bezel 'wasting space'? Additionally, you do realize you're hounding on the most elegant all-in-one design for a computer, right?

Personal insults are contrary to the forum rules. Go away.

"Well, we might be in the middle of the pack, with no path to the championship, but the owners make more money from ticket sales than any of those "championship' teams. That's what I really care about, ticket sales!"

I'm very disappointed. I have numerous Apple products and want to continue to purchase their products. I love them. They have been a year or two ahead of their competition until the past year. I believe this update catches them up with their competition. It doesn't put them ahead. I just saw a demo on the Google voice and they did exactly what Apple demo'd today. They've had it for over a year. They've had better cameras for over 1.5 years until today. Yes, Apple added more but today just caught up with their competition and will now be left behind in another month or so. Soon MS will catch them.

A survey just out stated that 80% of Apple customers are disappointed with this update.

I have owned Apple products for a long time and this talk about returning every Apple product because of this or that reason sounds fishy. I don't 100% believe it, but if it is true, then this person's experiences are statistically an outlier, way outside the curve. For every story like that, there's someone who's an Apple customer for life because of the great ownership experience.

Google's voice technology is garbage compared to this. Siri has already been well ahead of the pack and if Apple is adding this level of OS integration and polish (in addition to more polish going forward) the gap will widen. It isn't a simple feature comparison. It looks like it will be Google's turn to play catchup this time around.

Better cameras? According to what, megapixels? You should really research that technology instead of jumping to conclusions. The iPhone 4 still has one of the best smartphone cameras on the market, and it looks like the iPhone 4S' camera is going to be a leap ahead. Simply cranking up the megapixels without focusing on the things which really matter—like the optics—just results in large space-consuming crappy photographs which crop to crappy photographs. To be fair, some smartphones have included cameras with some interest in photo quality, but most of them are just after the right line item on a feature list.

I'm so disappointed that I'm going to replace my 3GS with ..... a 4S!

Personal insults?

Like I said... you like to make snarky comments about Apple but you are afraid to commit about the success or failure of iPhone 4S.

Afraid of looking stupid?

That makes no sense how would every app prioritize or choose the sort order with every other app. That is something that the OS would need to do.



Android does support widgets on notification bar. From what I can see its not by default. And it doesn't appear to be something that is straight forward to do.



I don't think anyone lying. Android is hundreds of different phones with different user experiences. Its impossible to say anyone thing that applies to them all.

Then why bring it up?

YAY, Apple, the richest company in the world is going to make MORE profit. Just what we were all frickin' hoping for.


I realize know why I was so disappointed, the rumor mill was certain the the new iphone would have the A5 and a better camera. I told myself long ago that if that was all Apple had to offer, I was going to be disappointed, because it's a phone, not a server or a Point and Shoot.

Nice upgrade all the same, but lackluster is every other respect. Samsung has hardware out that beat the iPhone in all the 'phoney' ways, now the i4S STILL lags behind in all those ways.
Is Apple going to sell millions of them? Well yeah, Sprint bought 30million.

Seemingly, you and I are very different.

Down, boy.

Why not answer the question.

Your little quips really aren't that cute.

You, for thinking this proves you're clairvoyant......


Dunno about 12 months. All bets are off on release sked for the next phone. Two years should be enough return on "production experience" for this shell - which will be passed down anyway, as the 3GS and 4 have been, so it has more YEARS of life anyway - so as one suggested it might be an iPad spring, iPhone summer and iPod (and say MBA, ATV or whatever) fall.

However, while I'm sure this is going to be another huge seller that at least maintains Apple's relative position (with new OS, modern internals, good as P&S camera, and adding carrieres), I am concerned about Apple's relatively low % of R&D spending relative to sales and profits - it's far below that of other companies. Meaning - with the best margins in the biz - they CAN do more and STILL have... ...the best margins in the business AND blow away the competition even more.

One thing's sure - Cook needs another breakthrough product to establish his stamp as long as we just got through a long talk about an update to an existing line which leaves Apple exactly where it was in the same lines of biz, with the same degree of product polish - and needs it sometime in 2012, and a "retina display" iPad 3 with an A6 chip won't qualify - or even a "real iPhone 5" (whatever that would be). The living room looks like the frontier here..... ...but an Apple just polishing its existing brass won't be the company the world loves to get excited about.



The only real criticism I have is that they didn't go to about 3.8" - that still would've been in "retina-range" and not changed the dimensions.


Conservative and fair to call it the 4S - acknowledging it's not a whole new form rather a thorough refinement. Not pointing out that NO US customers will get the benefit of the 14.4 speed they talked about (not compatible with even much of anything AT&T has deployed, let alone the other two carriers) is less "fair" and nearly deceptive. And the SCREEN is also not new.

It's a HUGE feature for APPLE - cuts their SKU's in HALF - they can ship the same 6 widgets to every company. Major savings in supply chain/inventory management. Not to mention only minor retooling of main production lines. Which again, as noted above, for a non-dividend paying corp accumulating enough cash to pay the US national debt, I'd like to see a little more being spent on R&D to produce even insanely greater products. Like the turn by turn stuff and and transactional capabilities (being foamed about below, but desirable, nonetheless), better facebooking, etc.

In other news, half-informed numbskulls will never get "its" and "it's" straight.

Exactly. Meanwhile, I'm in for the "ecosystem" halo benefits as much as anything else, so the bells and whistles on all those Androids (which may or may not be updated, improved, last, work, stay uninfected, who knows) are just fun to look at.

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Well, given that there was a rumor about every possible eventuality, one had to be "right."

LMAO! Well played!

I may have to talk my daughter into taking my iPhone 4 off my hands....

In other words... you've got nothing.

Tallest Shrill make'n friends.

So what would have made you undisappointed?
More Gigahertz?
More Cores?
More Gigabytes?
More Megapixels?

I'm sure whatever Apple announced today would have been disappointing to folks like you for one reason or another. If you're predisposed to thinking Android as being way ahead of iPhone, then there's nothing Apple could do to make you happy; you're complaining about all kinds of hypothetical specs that Apple didn't deliver. Tell me: why do you care about 4K video? What are you going to do, shoot a movie with your phone and watch it on your home 4K TV? Be honest here: if Apple did offer 4K video you'd be disappointed it wasn't 8K or 20K or 100K. Apple bumped it up to 1080p, then added stabilization and backside illumination. That's awesome for a phone camera. I am starting to think people like you really don't want a phone, I think you want a list of specs that you can brag to your friends about.

Seriously? I suppose if they just called it "iPhone 5" you'd have been thrilled.

Here's why I'm getting the 4S: camera, video quality (the camera and video on my son's Samsung Galaxy S2 sucks), processor speed, and Siri. Oh. I also LIKE the size of the screen. The Galaxy S2 feels like a mini tablet rather than a phone. The iPhone is way more comfortable in my hand and pocket than many of the bloated "larger is better" Android offerings.

The 4S is just what I was hoping for. I wasn't losing much sleep over which number Apple might append at the end of the name

I am a current 3GS owner who lives in a very rural area with no DSL, no cable, no U-Verse, no FIOS, etc. We just got AT&T 3G service about 4 months ago, and HSPA+ about 2 months ago. Can anyone please answer the following questions, without attacks, so that I can decide if this new phone is worth the upgrade? I know I can call AT&T, but I want the experts answers from here, instead of a sales pitch.

I use my phone for the following, and wish to know if my experience will be better:

1. Phone calls - will the 4S be substantially better at making or receiving phone calls?

2. Texting - Will the 4S be better at texting?

3. Surfing the web - I regularly get approx. 2.8 - 3 MB download speeds from my 3GS. Will the 4S do better?

4. Apps - will the 4S bring me the news faster or in more detail? Will my regular apps that do password management, on-line shopping, YPMobile, etc be better on the 4S? I looked at the Retina screen of the 4 when it came out, and I really did not see a huge difference. Maybe it was the lighting in the store? But I realy thought, meh, this is what everyone is raving about? Was I wrong?

5. Email - will the 4S improve my email experience?

6. Tethering - I tether my 3GS to my PC since I have pretty much no other choice for data speeds above 1MB. Will the 4S speed up my connection with my PC to the Internet?

7. Games - don't do them, so don't care if it will run them better or faster. That's why I have an XBox 360 and a PS2.

That's really about all I use it for. I work out of my home, so spend about 90 percent of my life in this house. So does anyone think that I am a good candidate to upgrade to the 4S, and WHY do you think that?

Any constructive comments are most welcome, and thank you in advance!!

Thanks for listening.

I'm an idiot? Somehow I bet if you were sitting across from me you wouldn't say that. Your response is a perfect illustration of what's wrong with how people communicate on the web. You feel safe behind your keyboard, and that allows you to be rude. Why not try to be civil if you disagree with me? The fact that you're that angry about a phone speaks volumes about you. You don't want the 4S don't buy it. Pretty simple. Calling people idiots because you don't agree with them proves only that you are one. And yes, I would say that if I was sitting across from you.

LOL! You worry about your phone being mistaken for an earlier version???? Seriously???? Afraid people might not think you're really cool? Change the back? You must be joking.

I suppose you won't buy a hybrid car unless it has "HYBRID" written all over it so everyone knows just how hip you are.

Swapping out a slow processor for a dual core burner that also offers dual core graphic processing, replacing a decent camera with what appears to be an exceptional one, and adding 1080p video, along with all the technology underlying SIRI is not hardly minor updates.

I suggest you buy a Palm Pre 2. No one will mistake it for an iPhone 4.

No, it's the lack of 3D...

The entire stock market was down and Apple moved with it. By the end of the day, both the market and AAPL recovered most of their loss. This movement had nothing to do with iPhone.

Two thumbs up!

Why is the fact that someone has had an Apple product fail an issue for you?

I have had 50% of my Macs have serious hardware failures, one required three repair trips to fix. I know plenty of other people of other people that have had Apple products fail, it is very possible, just because it hasn't happened to you, doesn't mean it hasn't happened to someone else.

I'll guarantee you that he got an infraction notice from the mods...

from someone who is on probation

Here's what I would have liked to have seen:
Non-glass back
Edge-to-edge screen (either bigger screen,or smaller overall)
Non-exposed antenna
Better battery life
Turn by turn GPS with real time updated traffic
NFC with wallet features
Facebook integration
QR code integration

I don't actually care about the camera or the processor speed, so this phone isn't for me. The iCloud stuff is cool, so maybe I'll get an iPhone 4, or wait until the next one, which probably will have most of this stuff.

That chart was posted by someone who thought he was being cute.

Apple has actually fared better than most tech stocks over the last 6, 3, 1 month periods. It only falls apart a little when you only compare the last 5 days.

[on edit: ... but then again... Google falls apart in the exact same period... as well as the 6, 3, and 1 month periods]

No, they don't - where did they say that they did? Most iPhone 4 users will be on 2 year contracts. This release was for 3GS users coming off contract or those not yet on the platform.

Okay - I have been hanging on every piece of information about the supposed iphone 5 since March of 2011. I'm on an old iPhone 3gs and I was up for my 2 year renewal this June. In March I heard the rumor that there would be no iPhone refresh in June. That the Tsunami had really messed up the supply chain. In addition to that, since Verizon had just received the iPhone, everyone would probably have to wait. I didn't believe a word of it.... I just held on because I knew WWDC would say otherwise... Well no such luck.

So I built up hope... I figured Apple is making everyone wait for a special reason. Maybe a completely newly designed iPhone with NFC, a bigger screen, more RAM, even an all metal back. So I sit back and wait. Listening to a million podcasts (Buzz Out Loud, Twit, iphone today) just waiting for any tidbit that will steer me in the right direction. But nothing really came - just a bunch of rumors.

Until two days ago when the blogosphere lit up with the rumor that there wouldn't be an iPhone 5, just an iPhone 4s.... I didn't believe a word of it.... I just held on because I knew the iPhone keynote would say otherwise.... Well no such luck

The reason I'm telling you all this is simply to say I DON'T CARE ANYMORE.... I'm just happy that there's a new iPhone coming. Between all the rumors, nail-biting, and false excitement... I just want a new phone in my hand.

In reality... the 4s is a damn good phone. The insides are fast, the camera is great, and the new iOS will be something to talk about. Sure no bigger screen and I would have liked more RAM, but overall I think this is a decent bump in specs.

Apple has become a religion for some (me included)... I'm just happy that I can now wake up from my rumors trance, buy my new iPhone and re-enter the land of the living.

+1

Yeah, that's why the Nintendo 3DS is just flying off the shelf...

C'mon, if the iPhone had 3D, these people would be complaining about the lack of 4D or 5D. Because for some people, owning a phone isn't about the ownership experience, it's about whether YOUR phone is winning some hypothetical specs war.

Ask a spec whore what they're going to do with more cores or Gigahertz or megapixel, and they'll shrug their shoulders and say it's all about bragging rights. If they can be that honest and self aware. And there's nothing wrong with being that shallow. I just think it's completely unfair to call the iPhone 4S a failure, just because one is so narrow minded.