Apple unveils iPhone 4S with A5 CPU and 4G-like data speeds - Page 16

Originally Posted by jragosta

And it's my choice to make fun of you for your inane rants.

Virtually every part of the iPhone 4S is significantly improved. If you want to call that a 'damp squib', that's your choice, but don't complain when people with brains and without vested interests laugh at you.

Originally Posted by jragosta

I already did - at least twice. I guess reading comprehension isn't one of your strengths.

I have no plans to change cell phone providers, so extending my contract for 2 more years doesn't cost me anything. When I do that, I can get a 4S for $199. I can sell my iPhone 4 on eBay for around $300. So, not only does it cost me nothing, but I'll actually pocket close to $100.

Originally Posted by jragosta

Sorry, I wouldn't use a Galaxy if you gave it to me. I prefer quality products.

Your 'logic' is ridiculous. By your standards, NO phone is ever an upgrade because there will always be something better sometime in the future. That's absurd.

Originally Posted by Apple007

Don't get me wrong, Steve is my idol.

He is chairman of the board not the CEO which means that he will not be involved in the day to day operation and also the design of iPhone already.

The way I see it, the ppl involved starts to get lazy without Steve presence that demand for perfection.

The reason I ask Apple to wake up is because I love the company so much that I does wish it to end up like Nokia.

Nokia have come to the stage where they are now because of their arrogant attitude that they think they are so big that no other company can beat them.

If this simple thing also you cannot understand my friend, you also NEED TO WAKE UP.

Originally Posted by sarges

yes he still is, but now we have CEO with a charisma of NYC janitor and stern look of high school teacher. Mr Cook had the opportunity to show the world he's up the job but he bombed badly. Anodyne presentation, no new iPhone, luckily Scott and Eddy saved the event, they are more natural presenters. Mr Cook has disappointed big time, if he doesn't come up with something compelling next year (see iPhone 5 and iPad 3) and presented with flair, he'll be deservedly out of the job by 2014

Originally Posted by island hermit

Deservedly?!

Fuck you guys are sad.

If you want to call Steve Jobs an idiot, go ahead. You're welcome to it. Of course you'll look like a moron but...

Do some research.

Originally Posted by island hermit

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Originally Posted by Xian Zhu Xuande

There are more intelligent and effective ways to disagree with someone than being a crude ass when responding to them. That said, this forum (and every other technology message board on the internet) has plenty of people who either a) don't understand the subjects they're talking about, or b) are in that young stage of life where they think they know everything. When you resort to vulgar insult-riddled responses, you're numbering yourself among them.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

I think it's time we pull back and regroup.

This new wave of trolling has even raised solipsism's ire, and that's the only way they can defeat us; dragging us to their level.

They won't go away if we ignore them, but they won't shut up if we don't.

Originally Posted by island hermit

Vulgar... yes. Insult ridden... huh? I didn't insult anyone. The word moron is in the dictionary. Look it up. I said that "if" he said something then he'd look like a moron.

You have your style... I have mine. Please, put me on ignore if you wish,

Originally Posted by Xian Zhu Xuande

If that's a 'style' you are proud of, that's on you. But I'm sure I'm not the only person here who doesn't want to read posts from members who resort to vulgar language and anger when they encounter opinions they disagree with, regardless of their position in an argument.

Originally Posted by island hermit

I'm glad you are so very proud of yourself but don't go judging me or anyone else.

Originally Posted by Xian Zhu Xuande

Then don't drag the forum down into the gutter in the name of defending it.

Originally Posted by sarges

eyou know the old saying, when you are in hole stop digging. You seriously believe you get an upgrade for free? your carrier subsidy your phone at the tune of $450 (you pay $199 towards the cheapest 4S) for nothing? you well pay for it in increased tariff charges, locked in a two year contract and unable to insert another sim card. Try to go abroad and see the roaming charges. The total cost of ownership over a period of two years is lower is you buy it unlocked, plus you are free to change carrier at any time and sell it to anyone on any different carrier. Not to mention the ability to insert local foreign sim card when you travel for business or pleasure.

If you fail to understand this very basic notion, no wonder they take you for a ride every time.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

I think it's time we pull back and regroup.

This new wave of trolling has even raised solipsism's ire, and that's the only way they can defeat us; dragging us to their level.

They won't go away if we ignore them, but they won't shut up if we don't.

Originally Posted by booradley

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Originally Posted by SuperTomcat

A flagship phone in 2011 without LTE or WiMAX capacity is BS!!!
2 years of contract to get 3G until end of 2013 is not worthy.
I live in south Florida and just got a Sprint and the WiMAX signal is perfect...

Originally Posted by Andysol

If disagreeing with something Apple does is trolling... ok. I would counter that point by saying that defending anything Apple does is also trolling. (or reverse trolling?)

I love Apple- I've had Macs, iPads, iPods, and iPhones for the last 7 years depending on what came out when. But I am just pointing out that everything came out late- and it has since Lion.

Lion came late because they were working on iOS4. Now the excuse (from the defenders) is that iPhone 4S came late because of iCloud/iOS 5/Lion. And that's a valid excuse- and I believe that's what it is. But I do not like this trend (because it happened with Lion and now iOS5) that I'm seeing with Apple.

Proof:
I won't use Leopard/iphone 1 as an example (because it was the first iPhone model)- but Snow Leopard, iOS 3, and the iPhone 3GS all came out within 2 months of each other. 3GS wasn't delayed, nor was Snow Leopard- and the 3GS came out right on time and there was- this is important- no criticism.

Now, we throw iCloud into the mix. Ok- but when we are talking about APPLE- not Microsoft, Google, Amazon- Apple- they need to deliver because that's what they have done in the past. They have always delivered.

Say what you want- call me a troll, whatever. The fact remains that this is the first heavily scrutinized iPhone. Comedians are making fun of it on late night shows, etc. I'm going to buy it- but for everyone to dismiss everything anyone says and calls them "stupid" "trolls" "idiots" shines the light on all of you. You guys are the a-holes who think you know everything. And just because someone doesn't agree with you- they are wrong. Guess what- both can be right.

Typical "tough guys" behind a keyboard that wouldn't ever say that stuff or be such huge arrogant jerks to people in real life. Or maybe you are. Who cares?

Originally Posted by asdasd

That's speculation. There is no reason hardware and software upgrades have to be synced. the CDMA iPhone wasn't for instance. If iOS 5 took 16 months then iOS 6 might take 16 months, or 24. Do we wait that long?

Originally Posted by asdasd

Pure speculation. They need to lose any reference to 4 in their next phone.

Originally Posted by asdasd

Waiting 16 months to produce the same phone, in looks, is absurd. The hype grew as the delay lengthened.

Originally Posted by asdasd

It's ok. I dont care.

Originally Posted by asdasd

Most countries outside the US are not on those contracts

Originally Posted by asdasd

Most iPhone buyers are new to the platform. This will reduce that.

Originally Posted by kotatsu

Virtually all of these super sized Android screens are lower resolution than the iPhone 4's small screen, but they look fine. The iPhone 4 res could easily handle another inch in screen size.

That said, the new high end Android stuff is full 1280x720 on a 4.5" screen, which must look pretty spectacular.

Originally Posted by Seamus1602

"The fact remains that this is the first heavily scrutinized iPhone" - Back up this statement with some kind of evidence.

"the 3GS came out right on time and there was- this is important- no criticism." - Back up this statement with some kind of evidence.


You claim this iPhone is 'late'. I disagree. Remember that since the last iPhone came out, the single biggest customer complaint was addressed with a release of a new iPhone for Verizon. Apple has consistently said that this fall is when the new version would come out. Claiming that they're late because they didn't hit the mid-summer release of previous years is incorrect. This 18 month gap was filled with the release of the Verizon iPhone, Lion, the release of new MacBook Airs, the iPad 2, and the new Apple TV. Apple releases solid products that deliver on their promises and uphold the Apple brand, not on the assumptions of the market. You can call it 'late', but I'm pretty sure that the sales results will be evidence that it was released right on time.

Originally Posted by sarges

maybe if you take care in understanding what people are saying as opposed to reading with preconceived ideas, there won't be a need to spell it out. We wanted more features, better performance AND ALSO different form factor. Both things. Unlike you I own my iPone 4 outright, so I don't have wait for permission when to upgrade and to which carrier. Apple pulled a similar trick with 3GS, faster innards than 3G, processor got a boost, speedier HSPA, better camera, voice control blah blah ..... history repeats itself. So for us 4 users who buy unlocked paying the full price, is this a "a very solid upgrade"? I don't think so, it's a disappointment as it was Mr Cook performance

Originally Posted by shawnb

My iP4 works fine and is plenty fast for today's apps, and I don't see any compelling reason to upgrade mid-contract.

So if the iP4S isn't a compelling upgrade for a iP4 owner, is it compelling enough for a new user to pay $199 vs $99 for the iP4?

Originally Posted by shawnb

So if the iP4S isn't a compelling upgrade for a iP4 owner, is it compelling enough for a new user to pay $199 vs $99 for the iP4? If it's all about the superior iOS experience, wouldn't most new users be satisfied with the iP4 (and be easier for salepeople to push the $99 iP4)? At least until a slew of dual-core or uber-graphical apps are released (i.e. next year)?

Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum

Why don't you, and others experiencing 50% failure rates, stop buying Apple products if they are so defective.

It sure would be easier, for all of us, than the constant whinging about it on Apple forums... Or is that your real agenda?

Originally Posted by jragosta

That's why someone invented something called statistics. Your experience could be atypical. The guy who claimed that he's bought tons of Apple devices with only one failure could be atypical. But when you look at the entire market, Apple is always at or very near the top in terms of quality. And it's always on top for customer satisfaction. THAT is what matters.

Originally Posted by jfanning

I understand this, my issue is with the others that don't understand that even Apple has product failures.

Originally Posted by Tallest Skil

Steve passed away

Originally Posted by jragosta

I can't imagine any way that I'd buy the iPhone 4 instead of the 4S for only $100 difference. And I suspect that most people would feel the same way.

But, fortunately, you have the choice. Last year, the iPhone 3GS was the #2 phone in the market - after the iPhone 4. The same thing could happen here.

Oh, and btw, don't kid yourself about current apps not needing more performance. I have quite a few games that run slowly on the iPhone 4 when you get to higher levels with hundreds or thousands of objects loaded and could use a faster CPU and GPU.

Originally Posted by Cash907

If you think the Galaxy S II is a "brick," you've obviously never used one or put it in your pocket. The 4, on the other hand... now THAT is a brick.

Originally Posted by simtub

Agreed. Most people cover their beautifully designed iPhones with cases anyway..

Originally Posted by jragosta

Who said that Apple never has product failures?

Nice straw man argument.

Originally Posted by toddwallace44

The carriers have forced a 2 year product cycle on their customers. The hardware manufactures have changed their product life cycles to match!.

Originally Posted by pembroke

Anyone else find it a little unsettling that the dictation feature was not given a demo? To me that would be very, very useful - and not including a demo makes it looks as though Apple are not confident of the accuracy.