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post #41 of 193
10/4/11 at 4:33pm
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Well, I just meant that a sexy voice is going to be associated with belonging to somebody who looks sexy, even though that's not necessarily the case.

As much as I enjoy the feel of anodized aluminum, I'm certain I'd ever consider my computer 'sexy', even if I had a voice-recognition system of the voice of the woman I love installed.
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post #42 of 193
10/4/11 at 4:36pm
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Originally Posted by MWR View Post

Neither do I (except in the conventional sense of course), but my wife does.

She wants it to read to her, help her send messages, find answers on the Internet for her, and many more things she can't currently easily do with her phone. That's because she's blind.

If this things works as advertised, it truly could be a life changer for some people. Apple deserves nothing but kudos for that.

I hope it indeed works as advertised for your wife's sake. Good luck.
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post #43 of 193
10/4/11 at 4:38pm
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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

It is iPhone 4S feature. So not available on the iPhone 4.

Look it seemed to run great on a 3GS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpjpVAB06O4
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post #44 of 193
10/4/11 at 4:39pm
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I hope it indeed works as advertised for your wife's sake. Good luck.

Thanks, that was my first post, I just felt strongly about it.
I appreciate the welcoming tone of your response.
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post #45 of 193
10/4/11 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by Cpsro View Post

Lion's iCal already makes a mess of things. You think I'm going to trust voice input for this? No, Siri.

Well, aren't you just the King of Wit.
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post #46 of 193
10/4/11 at 4:52pm
I have the Siri app (from the app store) on my iPhone 4, and just used it yesterday to find a Thai restaurant. Worked great, much like today's presentation.

However, today the app will not launch. It displays "Sorry...".

Apple must have killed it for all non-iPhone 4s devices.

Like another poster, my wife is also blind and loved Siri.
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post #47 of 193
10/4/11 at 4:57pm
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

Whatever happened to supporting the previous two devices?
This is not fragmentation it's segregation.

Is that a serious comment or a joke?
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post #48 of 193
10/4/11 at 4:59pm
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Well, aren't you just the King of Wit.

Sorry, no fun intended.
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post #49 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:02pm
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Look it seemed to run great on a 3GS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MpjpVAB06O4

For starters, that's a single app, that you run when you need it, not an assistant ingrained to the core of the OS and always on the ready. Secondly, it's been stated there were many optimizations and concessions that had to be made just to get it to work on the iPhone 3GS over the iPhone 4.
http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/03/...s-competitors/ I am sure you can see a difference between these uses of Siri.
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post #50 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:03pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Even if it does, it's still just a gimmick really. Nothing I want anyway, and I think most of the folks that do want it will have unrealistic expectations of what it can do for them.

I'm still in the seriously underwhelmed camp. There is almost nothing the new iPhone has, outside of perhaps the camera, that I need at all.

I was really hoping for a smaller, cooler looking iPhone to mitigate the fact that it's already more than powerful enough for most peoples needs.

If you already have an iPhone 4, this upgrade isn't meant for you. It is for all of the iPhone 3 and 3GS (like me) hold outs. Which in that case, the iPhone 4S represents a significant upgrade from my iPhone 3GS.
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post #51 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:11pm
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

Even if it does, it's still just a gimmick really. Nothing I want anyway, and I think most of the folks that do want it will have unrealistic expectations of what it can do for them.

I'm still in the seriously underwhelmed camp...

Well that's fine for you. Me, I probably can think of 101 ways this will be useful. And I'm going to start work on that voice activated iOS program that has been waiting for just this technology!
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post #52 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:11pm
The iPhone 4S is to the iPhone 4 what the iPad 2 is to the original iPad.

I don't hear iPad2 owners complaining about performance. I'd like to see Siri come to the iPad 2 (since I have one). I'm sticking with my iPhone 4 just because I am completely happy with it. I'm also willing to wait for the iPhone 5 (whatever it might be).
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post #53 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:12pm
This is highly unusual for Apple: they're referring to Siri Assistant as a Beta application

http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/04/how-is...internal-docs/

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post #54 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:13pm
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Originally Posted by Eriamjh View Post

The iPhone 4S is to the iPhone 4 what the iPad 2 is to the original iPad.

NUH UH! The iPad 2 got a redesign!



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I'd like to see Siri come to the iPad 2 (since I have one).

I'd like to see it come to the iPad, since there's nothing stopping it from working on the A4…

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This is highly unusual for Apple: they're referring to Siri Assistant as a Beta application

iWork.com, iTunes, iWork, iCloud…
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post #55 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:18pm
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For starters, that's a single app, that you run when you need it, not an assistant ingrained to the core of the OS and always on the ready. Secondly, it's been stated there were many optimizations and concessions that had to be made just to get it to work on the iPhone 3GS over the iPhone 4.

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http://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/03/...s-competitors/ I am sure you can see a difference between these uses of Siri.

thanks for the link solipsism.. yeah.. I get it.. I was being a smart a**. Look forward to its evolution.
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post #56 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:19pm
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iWork.com, iTunes, iWork, iCloud

Those were all touted as beta releases too? Wow, surprised. . .

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post #57 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:23pm
This would be so useful if and when they open up the API to developers. Would be so cool to be able to tell apps like Navigon where I am trying to get to quickly.
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post #58 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:25pm
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Those were all touted as beta releases too? Wow, surprised. . .

Safari and Mac OS X were once betas too.
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post #59 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:27pm
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Is that a serious comment or a joke?

I do joke more often than not but in this case I'm dead ass serious. I could understand the 3GS not being able to use Siri but to exclude the iPhone 4 is downright f'd up. If Android had released Siri and only devices with a 1Gz processor or better than that would only include most devices made in the last 20 months, but Apple has put up the "iPhone 4S only" sign, so yes its segregation.
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post #60 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:29pm
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Safari and Mac OS X were once betas too.

I guess I'm surprised mostly due to the occasional comment that Google releases beta functions/features while Apple takes their time to finish them before release. I hadn't seen it challenged, so just assumed it was pretty well true.

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post #61 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:36pm
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Originally Posted by canucklehead View Post

I do understand the difference. The thing is, I submit that anyone who talks "to" their phone has a few screws loose. Sane people only ever talk "into" their phones. Semantics aside, it was a joke. Chill.

NP- but get ready for a lot of people now shouting to their phones- "Get Me...", "Give Me...", ""I Want!", "Where is?". I should get Advil stock.
It will be interesting to see how Cook and Apple try to convince me and the public that is something I want or even need.
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post #62 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:38pm
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Originally Posted by dasanman69 View Post

I do joke more often than not but in this case I'm dead ass serious. I could understand the 3GS not being able to use Siri but to exclude the iPhone 4 is downright f'd up. If Android had released Siri and only devices with a 1Gz processor or better than that would only include most devices made in the last 20 months, but Apple has put up the "iPhone 4S only" sign, so yes its segregation.

It's integration. This isn't the same Siri app that was on the App Store or for Android. If you can argue that because it has the same name that it should work across devices that also used it under that name, but that wouldn't make any sense. Did you not read the article about the issues they had getting it to work on the iPhone 3GS at all?
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post #63 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:43pm
Siri is only available on the iPhone 4S, and probably will be integrated into the iPad 3 like FaceTime was at first exclusive, then integrated. It's a selling point so the 4S has to have it exclusively for a while, and then it will be a less major feature of future devices.
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post #64 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:49pm
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I would imagine it will work very well. Generally when Apple rolls out a new feature it works as it's intended. I was going to type "works as advertised", but that's often a bit over the top no matter who's product is being pushed, even Apple's.

Having said that, the feature sounds and looks pretty cool, but using it in public? Perhaps not so much. Talking to my GPS, Ford Sync or phone in the privacy of my truck or maybe at home is fine. Not going to happen at work or in other public places. Just kinda dorky IMO.

We all already talk to the phone in public. Some people even wear those dumb bluetooth ear pieces. What's the difference if you're talking to a person or a computer? People just aren't used to talking to devices and getting real results. Once the tech comes along, people will be more inclined to do it.
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post #65 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:52pm
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Originally Posted by irnchriz View Post

After reading through the comments on AI, BBC and other sites it appears that the main issue that the posters have is that it looks identical to the iPhone 4. Now, this won't matter two hoots to joe public (thats the 19 or so million who bought the iPhone 4 last quarter) but to the tech savvy it appears that you need new devices to look different for poser value.

It is funny, for years the anti-Apple crowd was fine with an identical beige box year after year as long as it had the same bluescreen when it crashed. Now suddenly every phone released must be different or it is worthless!

...yet they buy Android phones that are all made to look just like this worthless iPhone.

I can't keep up with the mental gymnastics!
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post #66 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:54pm
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

As much as I enjoy the feel of anodized aluminum, I'm certain I'd ever consider my computer 'sexy', even if I had a voice-recognition system of the voice of the woman I love installed.

I think I see your problem. You just need to be shallower.

Work on that please.
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post #67 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:56pm
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I do joke more often than not but in this case I'm dead ass serious. I could understand the 3GS not being able to use Siri but to exclude the iPhone 4 is downright f'd up. If Android had released Siri and only devices with a 1Gz processor or better than that would only include most devices made in the last 20 months, but Apple has put up the "iPhone 4S only" sign, so yes its segregation.

Could be hardware... maybe the A5 has a dedicated DSP that they are using for voice recognition? Would it be so hard to believe - after all the A5 does have a dedicated ISP for facial recognition and other image processing.

This happens a lot in product lines though... the use of software to distinguish premium products over their lower priced counterparts.
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post #68 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:56pm
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We all already talk to the phone in public. Some people even wear those dumb bluetooth ear pieces. What's the difference if you're talking to a person or a computer? People just aren't used to talking to devices and getting real results. Once the tech comes along, people will be more inclined to do it.

Use it if you're comfortable with it. I wouldn't be. The "earpiece" guys look silly as heck already talking into the air. When I was a kid the cat lady next door did that. Some things are just better kept to yourself IMO.

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post #69 of 193
10/4/11 at 5:57pm
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If you already have an iPhone 4, this upgrade isn't meant for you. It is for all of the iPhone 3 and 3GS (like me) hold outs. Which in that case, the iPhone 4S represents a significant upgrade from my iPhone 3GS.

And it'll be for users like me making the leap from a crappy, middling non-iPhone. In my case, the LG Optimus V (VirginMobile). While it's a decent looking phone, it often doesn't work as intended and the Android ecosystem pales in comparison to iOS; at least on my iPod Touch. With the upgrade to iOS 5, the upgrade to iPhone 4S and iCloud integration, I will probably/finally make the jump to the iPhone.
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post #70 of 193
10/4/11 at 6:00pm
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This is highly unusual for Apple: they're referring to Siri Assistant as a Beta application

http://9to5mac.com/2011/10/04/how-is...internal-docs/

Yes... they said they want to offer it in more languages and with more services, until then... it's beta. They probably want to test server load as well.
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10/4/11 at 6:03pm
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Could be hardware... maybe the A5 has a dedicated DSP that they are using for voice recognition? Would it be so hard to believe - after all the A5 does have a dedicated ISP for facial recognition and other image processing.

This happens a lot in product lines though... the use of software to distinguish premium products over their lower priced counterparts.

But that has never been Apple's MO
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post #72 of 193
10/4/11 at 6:04pm
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Apple's acquisition of Siri has resulted in a standout feature for iPhone 4S that promises to change how users interact with mobile devices.

Until it's hacked to run on the iPhone 4.
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post #73 of 193
10/4/11 at 6:07pm
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Yes... they said they want to offer it in more languages and with more services, until then... it's beta. They probably want to test server load as well.

Plus it's not like they haven't released something a beta before (see FaceTime for the Mac)
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post #74 of 193
10/4/11 at 6:09pm
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I think I see your problem. You just need to be shallower.

Work on that please.

Well, looking for a strong-willed, intelligent, slightly reserved woman certainly hasn't worked so far, so I may as well go after someone who values the size of her breasts over the measure of her accomplishments.

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Except that kind of woman doesn't appeal to me…

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Until it's hacked to run on the iPhone 4.

And iPad, like the original set of voice controls.
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10/4/11 at 6:11pm
Glad Apple is finally getting this 14 months after Android. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGbYVvU0Z5s

At least it seems to be integrated nicely and throughout most of the OS. It was probably the biggest change from the iphone 4.

although I don't see why this wouldn't be able to run on any iphone 4. Knowing Apple, they reserved this just for the 4S to give you SOME reason to upgrade

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10/4/11 at 6:12pm
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Until it's hacked to run on the iPhone 4.

Hacked in the key word here. I'm sure it will technically "work" but you have to ask yourself if it will work well. I bet you could also get it to work on even older iPhones. You might think the best strategy is to throw every and all features at a product is the best policy regardless of how it affects the user experience, but Apple doesn't, and their returning customers appreciate that effort.
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10/4/11 at 6:20pm
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Hacked in the key word here. I'm sure it will technically "work" but you have to ask yourself if it will work well. I bet you could also get it to work on even older iPhones. You might think the best strategy is to throw every and all features at a product is the best policy regardless of how it affects the user experience, but Apple doesn't, and their returning customers appreciate that effort.

Ha. This is the same apple that forced ios4 upon the original 3g right? That update instantly ruined every 3g device out there making them perform like sh!t.

Are you implying that the iphone 4 wouldn't be able to run this?

it's all marketing

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10/4/11 at 6:22pm
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Originally Posted by Dave K. View Post

It better work as shown in the videos or Apple (and it) will become the butt of many, many jokes...

Siri has always worked. It wasn't embedded in the OS then though. Now it will only work on powerful enough iPhones ... sadly. However what about a version for iPad 2, I know they can't make calls but can do the rest, I missed if it would be available for iPads... I better go read up
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10/4/11 at 6:24pm
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Ha. This is the same apple that forced ios4 upon the original 3g right? That update instantly ruined every 3g device out there making them perform like sh!t.

Are you implying that the iphone 4 wouldn't be able to run this?

it's all marketing

You ever heard of faster CPUs? Of course it may 'work' on less powerful CPUs but if it crawls then the user is going to bitch. Kind of like Vista on most PCs when it came out.
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10/4/11 at 6:24pm
Looks like this is Apple's response to google voice actions. Should be interesting to see how they improve upon it and how google responds to this.

the biggest issue with voice actions was its network dependence; everything was done on google's end, so no data/reception meant it didn't work at all. I wonder how much of Siri is done locally.

the TTS voice sounds pretty decent too. Although I don't think I would want my messages read aloud to me; especially in public. I'm not a fan of trying to make the phone respond like a human tho; it kind of amplifies the awkwardness of it. (eg. I would much prefer it to just say "processing" or "loading" instead of "let me think...")
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