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Is it outdoors as in a city? On a windy day?
With an ambulance passing? Or a fire engine?

Nor will it work if you're on a plane plunging into a volcano during a hurricane and your battery is low and the passengers are screaming for their lives.
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post #82 of 191
Apple is disabling a paid for app on Oct. 15th? I would raise hell if I bought an app and Apple disabled it because it's a feature of a new hardware release. That's just bullshit. They'd better issue refunds!
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Is that a serious comment or a joke?

Well they did do it with MMS on the original iPhone even though it had the exact same proc and memory as the 3G did....so no, it's not really that far of a stretch.
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Apple is disabling a paid for app on Oct. 15th? I would raise hell if I bought an app and Apple disabled it because it's a feature of a new hardware release. That's just bullshit. They'd better issue refunds!

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You ever heard of faster CPUs? Of course it may 'work' on less powerful CPUs but if it crawls then the user is going to bitch. Kind of like Vista on most PCs when it came out.

You seriously think voice dictation requires a dual core at any clock speed? This is incredibly simple.

You also didn't read the first part of my post. Obviously it's Apple's stance to push out new software to old devices. Look how they ruined the iphone 3G. Every single person who currently owns it will complain about it.

The thing is, everyone KNEW that it couldn't handle it.

Siri on the other hand, is a joke. This would take absolutely no CPU.

you people...

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Siri on the other hand, is a joke. This would take absolutely no CPU.

I'd love to see you put your money where your 'shrooms are.

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post #87 of 191
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I'd love to see you put your money where your 'shrooms are.

Voice search.... on any device... takes no processing power

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That's just a guess by AI, Apple has not specified that. We'll have to wait for teardowns to know.

Go to Apples web site they have the specification for the iPad and iPhone 4s there.
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Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom View Post

Voice search.... on any device... takes no processing power

Ah, good. Clears that up, then. You're COMPLETELY full of it, not just wrong by a little bit or a technicality.

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Go to Apples web site they have the specification for the iPad and iPhone 4s there.

And if you'd read the post to which he's replying, you'd see what that doesn't help at all.

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post #90 of 191
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I'm sorry, what's the problem? If I pay for an app, I expect it to work, not be taken away from me because Apple decided that I bought an app they no longer want me to use. That's bullshit. Should they also disable photo apps that duplicate the functions of the built in camera? What if they decided their new HDR process was superior and yanked and disabled HDR apps in the app store? What if they decide to add panorama functionality into the app store, should they yank and disable apps that do that too?

EDIT: Doh! I see now that the app was free, but disabling it is still effed up. Not only will it be disabled, you can't redownload the app anymore. That's completely against the whole iCloud thing and redownloading apps you've already gotten before.
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Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom View Post

Voice search.... on any device... takes no processing power

You are claiming that speaking into a microphone and having your speech analysed to find the correct word and usage to be displayed in text to then execute a specific command "takes no processing power." Do you realize how fucking dumb that sounds?
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post #92 of 191
So, it looks like AT&T is threatening NOT to have upgrade pricing again this year. I have an iPhone 4 I bought on release day, and another about 8 months old. Neither is "upgradable" until mid-November and when they are, one will cost $549 to upgrade and $749 for the other. WTH ATT. I get you need to recoup some cost, but you charge me out the yahoo already.
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Not only will it be disabled, you can't redownload the app anymore. That's completely against the whole iCloud thing and redownloading apps you've already gotten before.

Hey, I paid for iDOS and I'll never be able to redownload it. I'm not complaining; it lets me run Windows 95 on my iPad, so I can't see Apple letting me get that back if I accidentally delete it.

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post #94 of 191
Shouldn't stop feeding the trolls? Let them suffer on android phones.

To the trolls. You are right. Apple sucks. What ever it is you think is better, you're right. We are stupid. You are right. Enjoy the alternatives from the companies that are not evil.
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You are claiming that speaking into a microphone and having your speech analysed to find the correct word and usage to be displayed in text to then execute a specific command "takes no processing power." Do you realize how fucking dumb that sounds?

Voice is processed off-site. All it is receiving is the text to be read aloud to you, and the app launch command from the server.

Yes. takes no processing power. Unless it is very poorly coded and bloated. Now I know that you of all people will be #1 in line to buy the 4S, but getting back to my point. Think of the other iphone 4 users that are out there that won't be upgrading simply because the iphone 4S doesn't have much more to offer to make them upgrade. They however probably wouldn't mind the software update to let them access these features.

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Hey, I paid for iDOS and I'll never be able to redownload it. I'm not complaining; it lets me run Windows 95 on my iPad, so I can't see Apple letting me get that back if I accidentally delete it.

They are disabling an app for no real reason on hardware that has nothing to do with a new release. There's no justifiable reason to disable that app other than to promote new hardware. Not because it was buggy, not because they are selling it and no one is buying it. They are disabling a functioning app to force people to buy new hardware if they want that function back. They already have it on the hardware they already own. This isn't the first time they've disabled an apps functionality to use as their own. Yes they bought Siri, but they blatantly stole the volume shutter button from Camera+. Didn't even give them credit for it either. LAME.
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Shouldn't stop feeding the trolls? Let them suffer on android phones.

To the trolls. You are right. Apple sucks. What ever it is you think is better, you're right. We are stupid. You are right. Enjoy the alternatives from the companies that are not evil.

Nobody said it SUCKS. Just didn't live up to half the hype and disappointed a ton of people. Everyone else is very satisfied their iphone 4 and this is not enough of an incentive for people to upgrade.

This is a good upgrade for an Apple fan if you have a 3GS

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Now we just need Majel Barrett to provide the voice...

This is the standout feature for certain. It appears to genuinely work. If it does, it's a breakthrough and will actually impact directly on the way you use your phone. It is perfect for drivers and the blind.

Apple don't get enough credit for how much they do for those with a disability. This could change lives for some people.
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Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom View Post

Nobody said it SUCKS. Just didn't live up to half the hype and disappointed a ton of people. Everyone else is very satisfied their iphone 4 and this is not enough of an incentive for people to upgrade.

This is a good upgrade for an Apple fan if you have a 3GS

Link us up with some Apple hype please?
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There's no justifiable reason to disable that app other than to promote new hardware.

Ah. There's the reason, then.

Also, they're in charge, so if you feel you think you can do something about it, go right ahead.

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they blatantly stole the volume shutter button from Camera+. Didn't even give them credit for it either. LAME.

So that couldn't possibly have been in the works before that app existed. Obviously.

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Now we just need Majel Barrett to provide the voice...

This is the standout feature for certain. It appears to genuinely work. If it does, it's a breakthrough and will actually impact directly on the way you use your phone. It is perfect for drivers and the blind.

Apple don't get enough credit for how much they do for those with a disability. This could change lives for some people.

I think Siri is amazing, especially if it works as smooth as the demo, but touting this as helping the blind, on a touchscreen device, is a bit much don't you think? For drivers it will help immensely since more and more states are making it illegal to physically hold your phone while driving. Helping the blind? A bit of a stretch.
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You are claiming that speaking into a microphone and having your speech analysed to find the correct word and usage to be displayed in text to then execute a specific command "takes no processing power." Do you realize how fucking dumb that sounds?

I asked my phone to "navigate to *****'s house."

Single core clocked at 400MHz.

Responded immediately and opened up Google maps, and put the route in there with the 3D voice navigation.

Want me to clock it down to 200MHz and try it again?

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Originally Posted by NasserAE View Post

I wonder if Siri will make it to Mac OS Lion.

Yes it would be nice to have Siri feature in the Mac
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

So that couldn't possibly have been in the works before that app existed. Obviously.

That's always the party excuse when they steal user features from someone else. If the developers of Camera+ could do it, Apple would have done it long before them. Apple is using this to drive sales. Not the first time they've restricted features to sell more phones. Being an Apple shill must be tiring. You haven't given me a single logical reason to disable the Siri app on functioning hardware. Apple is famous for giving future functionality of new features away in beta iOS releases. Even Forstall had a smirk/smug look on his face when he said the volume button could be used as a shutter button. He knew it was taken from an app that had it disabled and was going to be used in a future release for their own gain. If the function was so against the app developer guidelines they wouldn't use it themselves.
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Ah. There's the reason, then.

Also, they're in charge, so if you feel you think you can do something about it, go right ahead.

Doesn't matter that they are in charge, it's still a dick move. It's a customer hostile move. Like I said before, what's next on the chopping block? HDR apps? Panorama apps? This sets a presidence that Apple will remove a feature and take it for themselves.
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Doesn't matter that they are in charge, it's still a dick move. It's a customer hostile move. Like I said before, what's next on the chopping block? HDR apps? Panorama apps? This sets a presidence that Apple will remove a feature and take it for themselves.

So what's the complaint, again? You don't want a bunch of new features in iOS software releases? You'd rather troll 500,000 apps to find what you want instead of having it built in?

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But that has never been Apple's MO

It most certainly has been Apple's MO in the past:
- iPhone 3G had MMS, original iPhone did not
- iPhone 3GS had video recording built in, iPhone 3G did not
- iPhone 4 had FaceTime, iPhone 3GS did not
- iPhone 4s will now have Siri integration, iPhone 4 will not

All but the FaceTime change were software features that Apple chose to limit to the latest and greatest model as a selling feature.

The lack of FaceTime on 3GS is what almost made me buy a iPhone 4 this summer, after my contract was up, because I could really have used it during some cross-country trips.

Glad I waited for the 4S now, though...
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It most certainly has been Apple's MO in the past:
- iPhone 3G had MMS, original iPhone did not
- iPhone 3GS had video recording built in, iPhone 3G did not
- iPhone 4 had FaceTime, iPhone 3GS did not
- iPhone 4s will now have Siri integration, iPhone 4 will not

All but the FaceTime change were software features that Apple chose to limit to the latest and greatest model as a selling feature.

The lack of FaceTime on 3GS is what almost made me buy a iPhone 4 this summer, after my contract was up, because I could really have used it during some cross-country trips.

Glad I waited for the 4S now, though...

I have a feeling Siri will only be exclusive to the 4S for a limited time...

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I think Siri is amazing, especially if it works as smooth as the demo, but touting this as helping the blind, on a touchscreen device, is a bit much don't you think? For drivers it will help immensely since more and more states are making it illegal to physically hold your phone while driving. Helping the blind? A bit of a stretch.

It's illegal here in the UK to hold your phone while driving so it will be very useful to me.

It will help blind people because the whole point is you don't have to use the touch screen. They can feel for the home button and hold it. The rest is vocal. That's probably why they have a blind girl in the Siri video...
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So what's the complaint, again? You don't want a bunch of new features in iOS software releases? You'd rather troll 500,000 apps to find what you want instead of having it built in?

Since reading comprehension isn't your thing, I'll state it again. The Siri app is being disabled. You can't redownload it, you can't use it, and it'll be a non-functioning app soon. It is not longer available for download right now. It isn't going to be available on the iPhone 4, just the 4S. The new features of iOS5 will be there, but not Siri.

Why? If you have it working on an older phone, why disable it or take it out of the app store? iOS 5 will only include it on the new iPhone 4S, they've made absolutely no mention that it will work on any other hardware. After what they did with MMS on the original iPhone, only allowing it on the 3G even though the hardware was exactly the same save the new radio, it leads me to believe they are removing a functioning app to drive iPhone 4S sales. Dick move. There's no legitimate reason to take the app out of the App Store because it won't be available in the new release on every iPhone that iOS5 will support. There is no trolling 500,00 apps for a similar function, it's already there. At least it was until they yanked the app. This isn't restricting new tech to a more capable phone, this is removing existing functionality to drive sales of new hardware.
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Since reading comprehension isn't your thing, I'll state it again. The Siri app is being disabled. You can't redownload it, you can't use it, and it'll be a non-functioning app soon. It is not longer available for download right now. It isn't going to be available on the iPhone 4, just the 4S. The new features of iOS5 will be there, but not Siri.

Why? If you have it working on an older phone, why disable it or take it out of the app store? iOS 5 will only include it on the new iPhone 4S, they've made absolutely no mention that it will work on any other hardware. After what they did with MMS on the original iPhone, only allowing it on the 3G even though the hardware was exactly the same save the new radio, it leads me to believe they are removing a functioning app to drive iPhone 4S sales. Dick move. There's no legitimate reason to take the app out of the App Store because it won't be available in the new release on every iPhone that iOS5 will support. There is no trolling 500,00 apps for a similar function, it's already there. At least it was until they yanked the app. This isn't restricting new tech to a more capable phone, this is removing existing functionality to drive sales of new hardware.

Perhaps they're shutting down the servers and the version in the 4s does the processing on the unit?
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Perhaps they're shutting down the servers and the version in the 4s does the processing on the unit?

It doesn't, unfortunately. It requires the Internet to work.

I say give me the option of taking up eight gigabytes with Siri's software so that I don't need to have an Internet connection to use it, but that's me.

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post #113 of 191
Will it work on iPhone 4? No. IS it revolutionary? Yes. It will set a standard for Smart Phones in the future. Is it going to work when an ambulance is going by? Probably not. How many people can understand you talking too them when an ambulance is going by? Get real people. iPhone 4S is not the iPhone 5. It is an upgrade to the iPhone 4. The ipHone 5 will come in its own time. SO all those who are upset.... Stop it. Get real and live with the wonderful iPhone 4S.
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post #114 of 191
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Perhaps they're shutting down the servers and the version in the 4s does the processing on the unit?

That would be impressive. Or the thing could only recognize a few words, accents, etc...
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I am thinking its on the 4s and not the 4 because of the dual processor. siri will use one processor while the app its using to look up uses the other one.
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Perhaps they're shutting down the servers and the version in the 4s does the processing on the unit?

Phil Schiller said they are using their servers to help the app operate. They wouldn't spend money on a bank of servers to be used by millions of people to turn right around and shut them off again. Voice recognition and information gathering doesn't require that much power I'd imagine. I'd bet the A4 could cope just fine, especially if Phil is telling the truth and the app requires off site processing power. If that's the case then the iPhone 4 could easily handle Siri, and there would be no point to shut off the servers if it were required. Maybe, maybe not. I just don't see why he'd say they are using servers to do the heavy lifting, especially with other languages like German, and then turn them off.
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Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom View Post

You seriously think voice dictation requires a dual core at any clock speed? This is incredibly simple.

Siri on the other hand, is a joke. This would take absolutely no CPU.

you people...

I think many people may be confused as to what Siri actually does. Siri is NOT a text to speech or a speech to text company. They are not a search company either. They were purchased by Apple because were an leading artificial intelligence IP company.
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Phil Schiller said they are using their servers to help the app operate. \\

This may have more to do about the scope of Siri context for searches services. A design assumption may have been made that the search context assumes you are always connected. This way, Siri does not need to burden itself with carefully limiting its search service scope to only local resources in case the device is offline.
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I think many people may be confused as to what Siri actually does. Siri is NOT a text to speech or a speech to text company. They are not a search company either. They were purchased by Apple because were an leading artificial intelligence IP company.

There is no AI here though. It's translation. There is a speech recognition part and a information gathering part. The app traslates speech to text, decodes what you want, and then looks it up. After trying to learn German, I highly doubt the phone hardware is doing all of the processing and Phil Schiller said it requires servers to function. Maybe that's what part of the NC data center is for? Part iCloud storage and part servers for Siri?
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keep in mind from what the videos show to come up with some info you have to have apps like yelp installed. so you have the siri stuff doing its thing while bringing up the other app to do its thing. I am betting it is using the dual core more of apple being lazy then anything else.

ON my iPhone 4 i cannot listen to music on the iPod app while downloading songs from iTunes app . (the music stops every time a song finishes downloading and goes to processing. I am thinking that sure requires probably more cpu time and apple rather just sperate the siri and 3rd party apps on their own cores then actually making it to run on the 4.

Like i said I think its more of a lazy developer thing .
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