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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I used to live in Saratoga, About 5 miles from Apple Headquarters. Periodically, there would be a bunch of balloons like these appear in the morning from North of Apple, then over De Anza college....

There was even one time that a balloon with an Apple Logo was tethered at Bandly One -- and you could go vertical for a short ride...

I suspect that these are candid shots from around Cupertino!

There are plenty of clues of where the balloons are in the video.
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Originally Posted by Ricardo Dawkins View Post

Nokia N8 is still better.

This.

And these are obviously professional photos taken by a professional photographer.

I won't judge the image/video quality/many other features for that matter until they're on sale and able to be reviewed

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post #43 of 83
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

I used to live in Saratoga, About 5 miles from Apple Headquarters. Periodically, there would be a bunch of balloons like these appear in the morning from North of Apple, then over De Anza college....

There was even one time that a balloon with an Apple Logo was tethered at Bandly One -- and you could go vertical for a short ride...

I suspect that these are candid shots from around Cupertino!


Sorry if I sounded doubtful. Guys don't bring you on balloon rides in the Northeast. We rarely even see them in the Northeast.
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By 'reasonably well', I'm assuming you mean 'raping everyone else and dominating the market'.

I'm going to go ahead and predict that the 4S will end up selling even more than the 4.

Wow, really going out on a limb there, huh?

Said it before, will say it again, the best part is none of these people bitching about the iPhone update will take it back when it crushes the last sales records set by, yes, the last iPhone. And when Apple talks quarter results in about year and the iOS devices and software, all alone, make more than any other entire company on earth, They will have no shame, and talk about the iPhone 5, and how it is so bad, and the update so underwhelming, that surely THIS will be the death of the company. Again. Just like the last 9 times.
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Sorry if I sounded doubtful. Guys don't bring you on balloon rides in the Northeast. We rarely even see them in the Northeast.

They are quite common in Northern California... Woz even had a balloon at one of his parties at his castle in the mountains...

Never been on an untethered ride, but it is an amazing sensation to see the ground get smaller and no sound... just a soft whoosh of the air as you rise..

Neat!
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post #46 of 83
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Originally Posted by GQB View Post

Guess what demographic this device is NOT aimed at.

I don't know. I'm a geek photographer and I'd rather have an iPhone 4S in my pocket over any other camera phone. In fact I know many geek photographers and nearly all have iPhones.
Photographers all say the BEST camera to use is the one you have ON you at the time.
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Originally Posted by malax View Post

I don't think anyone on stage today would argue with you. It's not expected to replace a DSLR.

You're right, those making that comparison against SLRs are daft. Apple's making a play against the point and shoot cameras, not SLRs. For those with SLRs and interchangeable lens cameras, the phone's improved camera is for when you're not lugging around the bigger cameras. Because they're more awkward to take everywhere, I don't carry the big camera around everywhere, only when I plan to take pictures. For every other time I spot a photo opportunity, I'll use my phone.
post #48 of 83
Ok- I see now the camera's control stay on the bottom unlike the current method so the picture now appears smaller. Yet another reason for a larger screen. So I suppose they will look the same size- smaller when viewing through the Photo app.
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post #49 of 83
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Sorry if I sounded doubtful. Guys don't bring you on balloon rides in the Northeast. We rarely even see them in the Northeast.

Sadly, you just missed them this year:

http://www.adirondackballoonfest.org/

Wonderfully fun time. I've never taken a girl there (well, i don't take girls anywhere, hint) but I have gone and it is spectacular.
post #50 of 83
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Originally Posted by iKol View Post

Those pictures were obviously cropped - how do I know they weren't Photoshopped as well.

Troll. Welcome to the future. Ever heard of a (BSI) CMOS sensor?
post #51 of 83
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Originally Posted by iKol View Post

Well then I stand to be corrected. So then the new camera's picture will not therefor fit the screen ratio of the phone exactly and therefor give us black bars on the top and bottom or will it scan or blowup the image? If what u say is factual?

It depends on the app you use to view the photo. The current Photos app shows the image "blown up" in horizontal mode, cropping them slightly at the top and slightly more on the bottom, by default. You can squeeze the image to see the whole thing, but realistically, since very little isn't being displayed, most would just keep it at the default.

This isn't new.

Photos on the iPhone 4 don't exactly fit in horizontal mode either. They're slightly "blown up" and cropped too. You can test this. Simply look at a photo you took in vertical and horizontal and notice the difference.... Or take any photo in horizontal mode and squeeze it. Make sure to use a photo with details near the edges.

If you haven't noticed this yet, I doubt it's going to be an issue. Moreover, using exactly 1.33... is going to be advantageous for other reasons.
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Apparently, there are a lot of AI readers who don't get this.

As I mentioned, balloons are a non-trivial tourist attraction in Napa wine country. It's pretty darned easy to capture shot #1 if you're a Napa Valley tourist. It's like photographing some chick in a bikini at Venice Beach.

Again, there are a bunch of naive, highly sheltered folks here.

To all the folks who don't think every one of these shots were staged, go look at the new iPhone 4S commercial on the Apple website. Now stop arguing about something so completely stupid.
post #53 of 83
Who cares if they were staged? The point is to demonstrate the ability of the camera. Every day snapshots may not look that good, but clearly that level is possible.

Unless you really think Apple doctored them. In which case, the appropriate question would be: How's the tinfoil?
post #54 of 83
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Originally Posted by iKol View Post

Except that it's not:
New body-Much lighter & much thinner.
Not 1 but 2 cameras.
Twice as fast.
Smart cover compatible.
Gyroscope.
iMovie.
Did I miss anything?

Except the 4S is twice as fast, has a much better camera, a better antennae, and twice the capacity. Oh, and Siri.
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Except the 4S is twice as fast, has a much better camera, a better antennae, and twice the capacity. Oh, and Siri.

Apparently you're the only ones up here to be happy about this update. I'm not saying that I'm not, but I doubt it will be enough until next October with all the competition coming. Hey the Galaxy S II has had the same specs for months now! They'll need to redesign before that, maybe June.
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Originally Posted by Pendergast View Post

Who cares if they were staged? The point is to demonstrate the ability of the camera. Every day snapshots may not look that good, but clearly that level is possible.

I think people are misinformed or just plain stupid. They think if the pictures were staged or shot by the pro it means this is not what they will get. Clearly, that's not the case. The key word here is "unretouched", that mean anyone can get these results from iPhone 4s if they are good enough. These are just nature photography. There is no lighting. It's just a matter of "can you wait for a right moment?" or "can you be in the right place at the right time?".
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post #58 of 83
Nice for a phone but I can't see myself giving up my camera for a while yet.
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I think people are misinformed or just plain stupid. They think if the pictures were staged or shot by the pro it means this is not what they will get. Clearly, that's not the case. The key word here is "unretouched", that mean anyone can get these results from iPhone 4s if they are good enough. These are just nature photography. There is no lighting. It's just a matter of "can you wait for a right moment?" or "can you be in the right place at the right time?".

I don't get that myself. Even if Apple marketing hired balloons, I don't see where that is important. Heck, video camera makers put a whole lot of colorful moving crap on a stage to show off how well their equipment works. The typical buyer doesn't care if it's staged, the buyer cares about the quality of the footage. The question of staging is a distraction because it doesn't affect what they're trying to show.
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Originally Posted by AppleInsider View Post

Apple claims the new illuminated sensor gets 73 percent more light than that of the iPhone 4 and is a third faster than its predecessor.


The sensor is not illuminated; it is however backside-illuminated. While AppleOutsider's editors are just not illuminated at all.

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post #61 of 83
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Originally Posted by ClemyNX View Post

Apparently you're the only ones up here to be happy about this update. I'm not saying that I'm not, but I doubt it will be enough until next October with all the competition coming. Hey the Galaxy S II has had the same specs for months now! They'll need to redesign before that, maybe June.

General question to all the neg-nellies...So what wasn't offered? It seems like the big complaint is there's not a bigger screen. That's the only thing that would of wow'd me. But to go from a 3GS to 4s is pretty darn good update. Why should I go to a Samsung etc? Don't get it. That said, all manufactures will be incremental from now on. Only so much stuff that can be crammed in.

processor... Can't compare by spec the speeds(like comparing ARM to Intel)
4g... Super battery hog... Really ready for prime time?
NFC... What flavor? Use where?

4s is top of the line phone...sans a bigger screen for that crowd. IMO, Don't underestimate Siri, could be huge.

So, What should have been done to Wow everyone? What would have been a Sammy killer?
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post #62 of 83
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Originally Posted by iKol View Post

Well then I stand to be corrected. So then the new camera's picture will not therefor fit the screen ratio of the phone exactly and therefor give us black bars on the top and bottom or will it scan or blowup the image? If what u say is factual?

What he says is factual. 8MP images are 3264x2448. You could easily have checked this online and also by downloading the flu size images and checking the exif data.

The iPhone 4 display is 960x640, as the ratio is not 1.1 with the 8MP image so to view the full image at once will add black bars just not very big ones.

Balloon Picture:
  • Dimensions: 3264 x 2448
  • Device make: Apple
  • Device model: iPhone 4S
  • Color space: RGB
  • Color profile: sRGB IEC61966-2.1
  • Focal length: 4.28
  • Alpha channel: No
  • Red eye: No
  • F number: 2.4
  • Exposure program: 2
  • Exposure time: 1/1,623

Beach Picture:
  • Dimensions: 3264 x 2448
  • Device make: Apple
  • Device model: iPhone 4S
  • Color space: RGB
  • Color profile: sRGB IEC61966-2.1
  • Focal length: 4.28
  • Alpha channel: No
  • Red eye: No
  • F number: 2.4
  • Exposure program: 2
  • Exposure time: 1/449
post #63 of 83
this just in. the 'best' mobile phone takes 'ok' photos in good lighting conditions.
world not impressed, goes to samsung phones instead.

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Originally Posted by MaroonMushroom View Post

And these are obviously professional photos taken by a professional photographer.

They may be unretouched, but that doesn't mean they weren't taken with professional lighting and under optimal conditions.

No doubt it's a really good camera for a cell phone, but your mileage most assuredly WILL vary.
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Originally Posted by tzeshan View Post

Unless you are a professional photographer, the iPhone camera is superior to DSLR in at least three aspects.

1. Touch Focus.
2. Geotagging.
3. Face recognition.

All three functions are right in the iPhone and Photos app.

Not trying to argue here for the sake of arguing, but even green photographers will take much better shots with a DSLR. The 4S hands down has the best "point shoot and forget" ability of anything on the market, but it really can't hold a finger to a DSLR.

...I might be defending the new DSLR I just bought a bit
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Those pictures were obviously cropped - how do I know they weren't Photoshopped as well.

they're all 3264x2448 pixels, the camera's actual resolution. so no, they haven't been cropped.
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These images haven't been cropped or Photoshopped. You can look at the detailed Exif data if you're interested.

That is the first thing I checked. Apple would not risk lying about that. If they say it is not retouched then you can trust that. What they didn't say is whether or not the iPhone was on a tripod. That makes all the difference in the world. As the saying goes "the best camera is the one you have with you." Not many people are going to carry around a tripod for their iPhone, but if I was shooting those photos for Apple I would definitely use one.

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Those pictures were obviously cropped - how do I know they weren't Photoshopped as well.

With the amount of motion blur and noise in those, who cares. They're not even nice pictures for showing off light range. Sunsets are a much nicer pay to view color spectrums and low light details that this camera claims over the iphone 4.
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BTW if you want to see where the balloons were taken:

Google map

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I would have liked to have seen some low light photos. I'm curious what effect that Hybrid IR sensor has.
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Except that it's not:
New body-Much lighter & much thinner.
Not 1 but 2 cameras.
Twice as fast.
Smart cover compatible.
Gyroscope.
iMovie.
Did I miss anything?

It is twice as fast, support higher network speeds, has longer battery life, the front camera is much better than the last one (while iPad's cameras are not above average), and has Siri, which is 10x more important than iMovie.

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post #72 of 83
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Originally Posted by LogicNReason View Post

Not trying to argue here for the sake of arguing, but even green photographers will take much better shots with a DSLR. The 4S hands down has the best "point shoot and forget" ability of anything on the market, but it really can't hold a finger to a DSLR.

...I might be defending the new DSLR I just bought a bit

He was exaggerating, I agree, but this is just much better than any Android camera

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post #73 of 83
The EXIF info in the files give the latitude/longitude. That puts the location off Hwy 101, between Santa Rosa and Sebastopol, where anyone who frequents that area has probably seen hot air balloons, no staging was necessary to get this shot. None of these shots look staged, if by that you mean special lighting was used.

These are damn nice pictures, coming from a phone. Upgrading from my 3GS will be a pleasure. Faster processor speeds will be useful when running these larger pictures through the photo apps I use, so that is very welcome. I look forward to exploring the capabilities of Siri-although it wasn't a feature I'd given much thought to, the demos were impressive. I expect I'll find a lot of uses for it, especially since phone keyboards, touchscreen or otherwise, don't fit my fingers well.

iOS5, if Apple ever figures out how to let us merge two Apple IDs, will be the real game changer because it will affect all iOS devices.

But the most important aspect of this new phone for me is that now that it's out, all the whiney tantrum-throwing crybabies who want a revolution in their pocket every 12 months, like clockwork, can all go buy whatever flavor of 'droid suits their fancy and populate other discussion boards with their drivel.


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Nice. These are easily better than my chunky (then mid-range) Lumix circa 2007. Will be great to have a camera of this quality on me at all times.

Do you think Apple staged the balloon flight or are these a selection of candid moments?
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But the most important aspect of this new phone for me is that now that it's out, all the whiney tantrum-throwing crybabies who want a revolution in their pocket every 12 months, like clockwork, can all go buy whatever flavor of 'droid suits their fancy and populate other discussion boards with their drivel.


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4. Connectivity for immediate sharing.

Unless you're using iCloud where they just sync up with your other devices/computers automatically.
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Originally Posted by iKol View Post

Those pictures were obviously cropped - how do I know they weren't Photoshopped as well.

What part of "unretouched photographs taken using iPhone 4S" don't you understand?

(Obviously? Because the pros that took them couldn't frame them nicely enough to begin with?)
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The EXIF info in the files give the latitude/longitude. That puts the location off Hwy 101, between Santa Rosa and Sebastopol, where anyone who frequents that area has probably seen hot air balloons, no staging was necessary to get this shot. None of these shots look staged, if by that you mean special lighting was used.

it was staged. it's in the promo videos for the iphone during the presentation.
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it was staged. it's in the promo videos for the iphone during the presentation.


True, they had to stage it otherwise those grape vine owners and balloon owners would be suing Apple as would the people in the shots. It doesn't matter if it is staged, it was shot early in the morning, the time when the balloons always take off, so the lighting was ideal. I just wonder if it was hand held or not.

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I wonder if AI is suffering from an invasion of the sock-puppets as of late.

so many low-post, derision-only accounts.

who critiques a highly-impressive --> cell phone <-- camera by way of comparison to a many hundreds (or thousands) of dollar dSLR?

Those, to me, are impressive photos and would do well with a quick retouch in photoshop. For many folks, the quality is enough to not have to bother to carry around any other sort of camera..not to mention forsaking that video camera. Battery hog? Who cares...There are plenty of products like This out right now.
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