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After some customers expressed disappointment at Apple's iPhone 4S, rival smartphone maker Samsung is touting its Galaxy S II with a comparison sheet pitting its flagship smartphone against its competitors.

Reports emerged late Tuesday that the South Korean electronics maker had sent out emails with a chart trumpeting the relative merits of the Galaxy S II over the iPhone 4S, as noted by The Unlockr.

Apple announced its much-anticipated next-generation iPhone on Tuesday, but some customers were disappointed when it was revealed that the device is an iPhone 4S and carries the same form factor as the iPhone 4. Wall Street analysts were subdued about the handset, though they remained optimistic about the likelihood of Apple continuing to exceed sales expectations for the iPhone.

In the email, Samsung highlighted the fact that its smartphone has 4G data in the form of WiMax, HSPA+ 42 or HSPA+ 21 mbps compared to the 3G HSPA 14.4 connectivity on the iPhone 4S. The company also boasts that its Super AMOLED Plus screen is "preferred 2 to 1 against other leading displays by Strategy Analytics."

Other features touted by the rival include: the larger screen (4.5 or 4.3 inches), 2-megapixel front camera, 1080p High Profile video capture, lighter weight (4.3 oz compared to 4.9 oz), removable battery and HDTV remote control functionality. Samsung also points out that, unlike Apple, it will begin selling the device on the T-Mobile network next week.

Samsung Galaxy S II, photo via Cnet.

The email went on to remind that screen size benefits scale by area, not just diagonally. "Tthe AT&T version of the Samsung Galaxy S II has 42% more screen area and Sprint / T-Mobile versions of Galaxy S II have 58% more screen area than the iPhone 4S," Samsung reportedly wrote.

Despite having lost out against Apple for the title of "thinnest smartphone" in the U.K., the electronics maker put forth its Galaxy S II as "the thinnest smartphone design with the fastest network speed on each of the networks carrying the smartphone."

The company also boasts that its smartphone operates within an "open ecosystem" because consumers can buy music from a variety of music services and use multiple cloud music services and video chat clients. "The Samsung Galaxy S II is not limited to a single manufacturers storefront or app store," the email read.



Samsung appears to have had it in for the iPhone 4S before it was released. In September, unnamed company officials indicated plans to target Apple's next-generation iPhone as the next stage in a legal struggle between the two companies.

"Just after the arrival of the iPhone 5 here [in Korea], Samsung plans to take Apple to court here for its violation of Samsungs wireless technology related patents," said one executive. "For as long as Apple does not drop mobile telecommunications functions, it would be impossible for it to sell its i-branded products without using our patents. We will stick to a strong stance against Apple during the lingering legal fights."

Additional reports had suggested that Samsung will take its fight against the new iPhone to Europe and around the globe.

The company had previously asked to see advance copies of its Apple's next-generation iPhone as part of an ongoing lawsuit, but a judge denied the request.

The rivalry between the two companies is further complicated by the fact that Apple is specifically targeting the Galaxy S II in some of its lawsuits against Samsung. In August, a Netherlands judge issued a temporary ban on sales of three Samsung Galaxy smartphones, including the Galaxy II S.

After informal talks between the two companies over alleged patent infringement broke down, Apple fired the first shot in April, accusing its rival of "slavish" copying of the look and feel of itsi Phone and iPad.
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Apple legal team already ringing Samsung legal team to bring this down or they will sue...
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And Samsung or any android phone still somehow has a lower resolution screen.
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The iPhone 4S is a solid upgrade. I may get one for my wife. I'm sure next year's model will be the iPhone 4GS if history is any indication.

Apple appears to have lost its spark since Jobs left. That was sensed by many. The production was polished everywhere but with the CEO. Over time that may change. There wasn't that one more thing in this product launch. It would have been awesome if the iPad 3 were that thing.

Something that many may underestimate is the Airplay. Basically your iPhone or iPod Touch is the game console for your HDTV. It is nice how a AppleTV is not required. Though I wonder how you'd play multi-player games with or without one. Look out MS, Sony, and Nintendo - iOS is upon you.
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And Samsung or any android phone still somehow has a lower resolution screen.

Yes, but at least one that's decently big. Why couldn't Apple put a 4+" screen with 720p in there? The Nexus Prime will have it; Apple could have stolen Google's & Samsung's thunder, but no...
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I see a few inaccuracies in the comparison, fair overall, but even with that Samsung made sheet, i don't think they made it clear why they believe that the GSII is so much better.
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Yes, but at least one that's decently big. Why couldn't Apple put a 4+" screen with 720p in there? The Nexus Prime will have it; Apple could have stolen Google's & Samsung's thunder, but no...

Decently big? If you think a bigger screen is better that is your opinion, a lot of people agree and many others disagree...Apple disagrees as well.
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As disappointed as I am with the iPhone 4S, I would still not consider a Samsung phone. I have a Samsung TV that I like, but if I won't buy an Apple phone, then I'd probably go for a Nokia or a Sony Ericsson.
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Samsung official said .. " all these and one more thing .. it looks just like the Iphone just cheaper "
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Yes, but at least one that's decently big. Why couldn't Apple put a 4+" screen with 720p in there? The Nexus Prime will have it; Apple could have stolen Google's & Samsung's thunder, but no...


Agree, 4+ edge-to-edge screen and 720p would have been a killer feature.
I am really tired of 3.5" display of my iPhone 4, so much real estate wasted on the bezel and useless home button.

Now all these Androids coming out with HD screens will make me jealous for at least 12 more months before iPhone-5 (6?) arrives.
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"Just after the arrival of the iPhone 5 here [in Korea], Samsung plans to take Apple to court here for its violation of Samsungs wireless technology related patents," said one executive. "For as long as Apple does not drop mobile telecommunications functions, it would be impossible for it to sell its i-branded products without using our patents. We will stick to a strong stance against Apple during the lingering legal fights."

After yesterday's keynote featuring the iPhone 4S (iPhone 4 Suckers), it is plain to see that Apple has for the past year forgone innovating and instead spent all their time litigating.

Apple could have spent 16 months putting together a phone to compete and win hearts and minds. Instead they spec bump and sue everyone that breathes.
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Samsung's lower-resolution screen, using AMOLED which is prone to burn-in and loss of color quickly, weighs less due to using plastic instead of metal/glass, using an OS that is prone to weekly malware/bot attacks and needs to be babysat in a way only a tech-head or nerd can do is somehow more preferred than an iPhone? Does that sum it up?
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It's the software, stupid.
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iPhone, 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, 5.... I don't see how this release is anything less than expected.

Moreover, I kinda figured Apple would keep the same design a little longer than one release. The antenna system was/is unmatched by any other smartphone--it's literally the frame. There are a gazillion cases available, tripod mounts, and detachable lens mounts as well. There is simply no other phone with that type of accessory following so I think two generations with identical case design is appropriate (apparently Apple agrees).

The 3GS kind of threw me but it makes sense for people who are getting their first "smartphone." Most people don't even call them smartphones anyway--they call it an iPhone, 'droid, or Blackberry. The 3GS was selling like crazy this last year when AT&T lowered the price (temporarily) to $0.99, I fail to see the 3GS as a bad move. It's going to simply annoy Google & Co. that Apple is releasing a free version of their iPhone. It's there to compete with all the cheap Android phones, Blackberries, and is a solid entry-level smartphone. I would've guessed the iPhone 4 8GB was going to be the entry level but now it's the mid-grade.

The 4S is a solid upgrade of all the right things: camera, battery, CPU, storage, etc. I think new customers and 3GS owners who are due for a renewal will get it. The iPhone 4 owners are going to wait for iPhone 5.
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The iPhone 4S is a solid upgrade. I may get one for my wife. I'm sure next year's model will be the iPhone 4GS if history is any indication.

Apple appears to have lost its spark since Jobs left. That was sensed by many. The production was polished everywhere but with the CEO. Over time that may change. There wasn't that one more thing in this product launch. It would have been awesome if the iPad 3 were that thing.

Something that many may underestimate is the Airplay. Basically your iPhone or iPod Touch is the game console for your HDTV. It is nice how a AppleTV is not required. Though I wonder how you'd play multi-player games with or without one. Look out MS, Sony, and Nintendo - iOS is upon you.

+ 1, I agree with everything you wrote. However, remember the primary role of the CEO is to execute, not to present well. Regardless, I agree. He was unimpressive and disappointing. He made the right decision to give the technology demos to the pros.
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And Samsung or any android phone still somehow has a lower resolution screen.



Haven't you read the news?! Experts at Display Strategy Analytics agree 2:1 they like lower pixel density AMOLED displays over S-IPS high pixel density displays with more pixels per square inch, because people like fuzzier displays.

I noticed they didn't highlight their CPU/GPU SoC solution.

They know the A5 stomps it all over the field of computing.

Wow! Removable battery! //in 2011 we are still highlighting this?

They only highlighted the Front Camer, not the back //hint, our's sucks compared to the iPhone 4S

Use it as a Remote to your HDTV!! // Most folks using the Apple Ecosystem use theirs with their AppleTV connected to their HDTV and the iTunes Video Store the Samsung doesn't have

Gingerbread? Seriously? // I stopped taking it serious at this point

The microSD is truly sad.

T-Mobile?

I read this as a sense of desperation. With the iPhone 4S hitting 100 carriers and exploding in China, Samsung has crapped itself severely.

P.S. How come no one is talking about the iPod Touch getting the RETINA DISPLAY? Talk about a dream targeting the iPod Touch, iPhone 4+ and obviously the upcoming iPad 3 with Retina level quality displays.

Having 960 x 640 as the baseline for application development is a big improvement.
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Now that it looks like the iPhone 4S has the underdog status in light of the new "sleeker" models of Android devices that will soon flood the market, the question is will one or two Android device/s finally best the iPhone as the most popular smartphone on the planet? If not, then this will obviosuly be a very huge psychological win for Apple.

Oh wait..the antiquated iPhone 4 (yes the grampa iPHONE 4) is still outselling every newer model Android device on Verizon and ATT.
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It's the software, stupid.

if it was about HW, Nokia would still be king.
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iPhone, 3G, 3GS, 4, 4S, 5.... I don't see how this release is anything less than expected.

Moreover, I kinda figured Apple would keep the same design a little longer than one release. The antenna system was/is unmatched by any other smartphone--it's literally the frame. There are a gazillion cases available, tripod mounts, and detachable lens mounts as well. There is simply no other phone with that type of accessory following so I think two generations with identical case design is appropriate (apparently Apple agrees).

The 3GS kind of threw me but it makes sense for people who are getting their first "smartphone." Most people don't even call them smartphones anyway--they call it an iPhone, 'droid, or Blackberry. The 3GS was selling like crazy this last year when AT&T lowered the price (temporarily) to $0.99, I fail to see the 3GS as a bad move. It's going to simply annoy Google & Co. that Apple is releasing a free version of their iPhone. It's there to compete with all the cheap Android phones, Blackberries, and is a solid entry-level smartphone. I would've guessed the iPhone 4 8GB was going to be the entry level but now it's the mid-grade.

The 4S is a solid upgrade of all the right things: camera, battery, CPU, storage, etc. I think new customers and 3GS owners who are due for a renewal will get it. The iPhone 4 owners are going to wait for iPhone 5.

yes, you have it pretty much perfectly stated. with 2 year contract, its perfectly aligned with your assertion.
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October 11th. Remember that date.


This is how flagship products should be refined.
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I guess a little off-topic but...
People that expected Apple to come out with something truly new today are unrealistic and stupid. Think about how the iPhone 3GS was an incremental step. Everyone whined then too. The iPhone 4 was a major design change that cost them hundreds of millions of dollars in development. You don't do something like that every year. Especially when you continue to move the previous model(s) in huge volumes. Apple just needs to make incremental changes to their products now since they are sitting in the number one position. They only need to radically redesign the products once in awhile to stay at the top.

Years ago, we saw an Apple that was trying to get to the top and they needed to accelerate development to get there. Now they are there so they need to weigh the cost of redesign. Why introduce something radically new when you don't have to?

Take the iPad: we would be looking at iPad 3 right now if they didn't have such an overwhelming market share. This means they can take their time and make sure iPad 3 is not a minor step like iPad 2 was. I'm still using my iPad 1 which is 1.5 years old and still more desirable than any other tablet on the market (to me anyway).

We people reading this message board are insatiable nerds who can't get enough tech. We are in the minority. The regular Joes out there are just now getting the hang of this tech and they take longer to get tired of it.

This is a smart move by Apple, who is most likely feverishly working on the iPhone 5, which will be another significant departure as was the 4. These things take time. Entire factories are built to support these new designs; hell, entire cities are built!. It's not just about designing the product, it's about dealing with local economies where the units will be manufactured, striking multi-billion dollar exclusive deals with suppliers, etc. The fact that Apple can do such things over the course of less than 2 years is pretty amazing.

Let's be realistic people. The iPhone 4S is state of the art and does way more than the masses can appreciate. It will tide us over until the 5 is ready.
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Android phone screen sizes seem to be getting larger and larger. Where does it end? I see that they even have some phones which are over 5" now.

Are Android users trying to compensate for something? Such as in other certain areas in which they are perhaps lacking in?

I'm not sure what the perfect or ideal size for a phone is, but some of those Android phones are just too big and seem like a hassle to carry around in a pocket and to use with one hand. I think that it would be cool if Apple came out with an iPhone nano.
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Sigh...just look how biased the chart is. Samsung doesn't even highlight iPhone 4s advantage over SII.

Lets break it down shall we:
  • Screen resolution - iPhone should win here.
  • Videocapture: 1080p High profile is better because?
  • Dedicated outer camera button: S2 has none, iPhone does, yet its a tie?
  • Syncing: iTunes syncing isn't required anymore. There is iCloud. And if you want iTunes, it can be done wirelessly, even backing up.
  • Use of smartphone as HDTV remote control: Samsung's best feature There are tons of remote controls for iOS.
  • OS: Of course Samsung prefers "Latest version of Gingerbread" over iOS5 and forgetting that iOS devices also get the latest version of iOS5

And finally, Price/memory: Samsung touts external card support up to 32GB, while ignoring that iPhone can get iPhone4S gets up to 64GB.

"(no memory limitations)" ... uhm yes you do. SII does not support SDXC and 32GB is not bigger than 64GB. Unless you want to play swap cards.
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Haven't you read the news?! Experts at Display Strategy Analytics agree 2:1 they like lower pixel density AMOLED displays over S-IPS high pixel density displays with more pixels per square inch, because people like fuzzier displays.

I noticed they didn't highlight their CPU/GPU SoC solution.

They know the A5 stomps it all over the field of computing.

Wow! Removable battery! //in 2011 we are still highlighting this?

They only highlighted the Front Camer, not the back //hint, our's sucks compared to the iPhone 4S

Use it as a Remote to your HDTV!! // Most folks using the Apple Ecosystem use theirs with their AppleTV connected to their HDTV and the iTunes Video Store the Samsung doesn't have

Gingerbread? Seriously? // I stopped taking it serious at this point

The microSD is truly sad.

T-Mobile?

I read this as a sense of desperation. With the iPhone 4S hitting 100 carriers and exploding in China, Samsung has crapped itself severely.

P.S. How come no one is talking about the iPod Touch getting the RETINA DISPLAY? Talk about a dream targeting the iPod Touch, iPhone 4+ and obviously the upcoming iPad 3 with Retina level quality displays.

Having 960 x 640 as the baseline for application development is a big improvement.



All good points, I totally agree with you, except the iPod Touch already had the retina display.
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Android phone screen sizes seem to be getting larger and larger. Where does it end? I see that they even have some phones which are over 5" now.

Are Android users trying to compensate for something? Such as in other certain areas in which they are perhaps lacking in?

I'm not sure what the perfect or ideal size for a phone is, but some of those Android phones are just too big and seem like a hassle to carry around in a pocket and to use with one hand. I think that it would be cool if Apple came out with an iPhone nano.

ROFL! Are you really equating smartphone screen size with penile inadequacy?

The lengths some of you lot will go to to defend the 3.5 inch screen on the iPhone is laughable.
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Was this comparison done by Samsung's equivalent of DED?
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Now that it looks like the iPhone 4S has the underdog status in light of the new "sleeker" models of Android devices that will soon flood the market, the question is will one or two Android device/s finally best the iPhone as the most popular smartphone on the planet? If not, then this will obviosuly be a very huge psychological win for Apple.

Oh wait..the antiquated iPhone 4 (yes the grampa iPHONE 4) is still outselling every newer model Android device on Verizon and ATT.

Dont forget the iPhone 3GS was the 2nd best selling smart phone in the US at last report. So I wonder if the next report will be.

#1 - iPhone 4S
#2 - iPhone 4 (1.5 years old)
#3 - iPhone 3GS (2.5 years old)
#4 - latest, greatest, 5" Android 4G phone with 1080p HD video screen with NFC

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Android phone screen sizes seem to be getting larger and larger. Where does it end? I see that they even have some phones which are over 5" now.

Are Android users trying to compensate for something? Such as in other certain areas in which they are perhaps lacking in?

I'm not sure what the perfect or ideal size for a phone is, but some of those Android phones are just too big and seem like a hassle to carry around in a pocket and to use with one hand. I think that it would be cool if Apple came out with an iPhone nano.

Havent you heard? There is a solution to this. There is a huge market out there for man pursues which are perfect for carrying these 5" devices.
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Havent you heard? There is a solution to this. There is a huge market out there for man pursues which are perfect for carrying these 5" devices.

Really? Is that what they do?

I wouldn't be caught dead walking around with a "man pursue". That sounds rather pathetic and it's also quite <insert whichever word you believe that I was thinking about>.

In that case, I'd rather just throw my huge, 9.7 heavenly inches of my far superior iPad 2 into a little bag or napsack and carry that along with a normal phone, instead of a ridiculously larged sized phone which can't really be used for anything useful, due to it's small size, even though it's large sized for a phone.
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ROFL! Are you really equating smartphone screen size with penile inadequacy?

The lengths some of you lot will go to to defend the 3.5 inch screen on the iPhone is laughable.

we worked so hard to get pocketable phones.. we went from the SHOE sized phones of the 80s to tiny phones like the Razr.. now we are going backwards again? wtf? change for the sake of change???

we got an iPhone at 3.5"... no we cant compete on this size because Apple has bought off all the supply of good 3.5 screens... we need to go bigger.. towards 5"
we got an iPad at 10".. no we cant compete on this size because Apple has bought off all the supply of good 10 screens, we need to go smaller.. towards 7"

make up your damn mind. Or better yet just split the difference by 1" in each direction and make a 6" device so you can only make a single model. Or.. perhaps in a brilliant marketing move you can simply swap the names around.. You can call the Galaxy S III a "Tablet" and Galaxy Tab 7 a "Smart Phone"

Genius... You say? Yes, just saved you millions dollars on development effort on growing the phone screen size and shrinking the tablet. no need to thank me.. just send money.
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I doubt this will make a difference in iPhone 4S sales in any meaningful way. I still foresee waiting in a loooooong line to get my new iPhone.
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And Samsung or any android phone still somehow has a lower resolution screen.

Not for long. The Google Nexus Prime is due very soon and will have a 4.5" 1280x720 screen.
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Not for long. The Google Nexus Prime is due very soon and will have a 4.5" 1280x720 screen.

Do Android users have unusually fat fingers?
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Not for long. The Google Nexus Prime is due very soon and will have a 4.5" 1280x720 screen.

Yup 1280x720 is lovely but it will also further fragment the fragmented
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we worked so hard to get pocketable phones.. we went from the SHOE sized phones of the 80s to tiny phones like the Razr.. now we are going backwards again? wtf? change for the sake of change???

Phones like the SGSII are still pocketable.

SGSII
125.3 x 66.1 x 8.49mm

iPhone 4/4s:
115.2 x 58.7 x 9.3mm

Difference:
L: 10.1mm larger
W: 7.4mm larger
D: 0.81mm smaller

If that difference really does stop these large phones from being pocketable, I'd invest in clothes that actually fit.
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Something that many may underestimate is the Airplay. Basically your iPhone or iPod Touch is the game console for your HDTV. It is nice how a AppleTV is not required. Though I wonder how you'd play multi-player games with or without one. Look out MS, Sony, and Nintendo - iOS is upon you.

Not sure what you mean saying an AppleTV isn't needed. Airplay uses the Apple TV2 to send the signal to your HDTV.
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if it was about HW, Nokia would still be king.

Bulls**t!

Have you seen all the issues Nokia have been having with substandard amoled displays they got from Samsung?

Obviously you haven't been to their user forums.
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And Samsung or any android phone still somehow has a lower resolution screen.

My thoughts exactly. The galaxy is only 800x480 pixels. "58% more surface area" is something I would consider a negative feature of a display if the pixel density is not the same.

It's like Nintendo touting the DSi XL's larger screen when it ended up just being a low resolution version of the existing model.
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What an appallingly worded claim "the thinest design with the fastest speed" - it is so unclear that it could mean so many things - as well as being close to specious when examined ... any phone which is the "fastest" on any given network will automatically be the thinnest unless there are multiple phones claiming the title of "fastest". If there is one phone which is "fastest" then it could be a fat, heavy brick phone and it will still be the "thinnest" of the "fastest" phones because it is only competing with itself for the title of "thinnest" !!
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And Samsung or any android phone still somehow has a lower resolution screen.

My thoughts exactly. The galaxy is only 800x480 pixels. "58% more surface area" is something I would consider a negative feature of a display if at the expense of pixel density.

It's like Nintendo touting the DSi XL's larger screen when it ended up just being a low resolution version of the existing model.
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