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Apple's newly-announced iPhone 4S is an incremental stopgap while the company prepares a phone branded as the "iPhone 5" with 4G Long-Term Evolution data speeds for next spring, one analyst claims.

Analyst Will Strauss, president of wireless chip market research firm Forward Concepts, explained to CNet his belief on why Apple showed off an iPhone 4S and not the rumored "iPhone 5" on Tuesday. The new device features the A5 processor, an improved camera, a redesigned antenna and an integrated voice recognition feature called Siri.

"They're saving iPhone 5 for the LTE version and that won't be out until next spring," he said. Strauss tracks companies such as Qualcomm that provide the chips for 3G and 4G mobile technologies. However, given that the report does not indicate the source of his information, Strauss' prediction should be taken with a healthy dose of skepticism.

"There's no way they could come out with LTE now," he continued, noting that the LTE-capable Thunderbolt smartphone from rival HTC requires a two chip solution: an LTE baseband chip and a second one from Qualcomm for 3G voice connections.

Strauss' comments do align with earlier reports that Apple would release an iPhone 4S as an "interim upgrade" in preparation for an LTE device in 2012.

Meanwhile, Anand Shimpi of AnandTech reports that the MDM9615, a chip capable of LTE voice and data that would fit Apple's iPhone specifications, should arrive early next year, with the first smartphones powered by it likely to arrive in the second quarter of 2012. He believes the MDM9615 could solve some of the battery life issues that device makers are seeing.

Shimpi went on to suggest that stumbling blocks in the transition to 28nm chips have caught a number of handset makers off guard. "I suspect that an aggressive 28nm roadmap that didn't pan out probably caught a lot of SoC and smartphone vendors in a position where they couldn't ship what they wanted to in 2011," he wrote.

"While I don't like participating in the rumor garbage, if I were to guess at the release date of the rumored iPhone 5 I'd say early Q3 2012," he added.

Though Apple has shown interest in LTE, even going so far as to purchase a batch of patents related to the technology, the company had said it wasn't willing to make the necessary sacrifices to include it in this year's iPhone.

"The first generation of LTE chipsets force a lot of design compromises with the handset, and some of those we are just not willing to make," Apple executive Tim Cook said earlier this year.

Initial response to the iPhone 4S has been mixed. Though some have expressed excitement about the new Siri voice activation functionality, others criticized the device as being too incremental to justify the 16-month period between iPhone releases.

According to Penn Olson, the reactions of Chinese netizens on the Weibo micro-blogging service have been overwhelmingly negative. A backlash from Chinese customers could prove costly to Apple, which has said that its iPhone focus has been on China.

If we cant show off with it, whats the point of buying one? The iPhone 4Ss design has no major difference from the iPhone 4, is this a major reason why the 4S wont be welcomed in China? Vain people dont care about features, they care about how it looks, the translation of one post read.

For its part, Wall Street has remained relatively optimistic about the device. Some analysts believe Apple will continue its impressive growth on the strength of an accelerated international rollout and new carrier partners.
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First significant misstep of Apple in a really long period of time...
Perhaps Jobs leaving before 4s announcement is not a coincidence. Nothing to be proud of really.
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That long?

And you know the Koreans (LG, Samsung) and Taiwanese (HTC, Acer) will be waiting with meat cleavers on shelves in China, Taipei, Kuala Lumber and Bangkok by Febuary 2012? With Nokia SeaRay this December and, God forbid, Mango phone goes gold in Febuary 2012 as well?

If Apple take the usual schedule of May 2012, how many iPhone 4 customers in Asia, mainly China will remain faithful, for 30% of American buyers will be jobless and sleeping in their cars after April 2012?

(I do not expect all of us on this board will still be employed and can afford internet fee to post after this Christmas, by the way. Given how economy is going.)
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First significant misstep of Apple in a really long period of time...
Perhaps Jobs leaving before 4s announcement is not a coincidence. Nothing to be proud of really.

Oh please... this is the same kind of nonsense that naysayers, whiners, and iHaters said about "Antennagate", the small screen, and using glass for both sides of the phone.

But hey, thanks to folks like you, we can add yet another "Apple is doomed" rant about coming out with a "4s" moniker instead of a number 5.

There was no misstep on Apple's part. This is the Apple's methodical and evolutionary approach to not rush things to market before they're ready.

I guess in your world, a new model that is 7-9 times faster than the previous phone is just not good enough for tech-heads like you.
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First significant misstep of Apple in a really long period of time...
Perhaps Jobs leaving before 4s announcement is not a coincidence. Nothing to be proud of really.

Really? A wildly improved processor, remarkable camera, and awesome voice recognition is nothing to be proud of? \
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Oh please... this is the same kind of nonsense that naysayers, whiners, and iHaters said about "Antennagate"...

I know many Apple fans like to pretend that isn't a real problem. It is. Get over it. This is one of the reasons I bought a case for my iPhone 4. When I can decrease my signal by 2 bars or more by placing one fingertip on a spot on the side of the phone, there is a design flaw. Doesn't mean the phone is crap. Best phone I ever owned. Just stop pretending this problem doesn't exist.
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Apple's newly-announced iPhone 4S is an incremental stopgap while the company prepares a phone branded as the "iPhone 5" with 4G Long-Term Evolution data speeds for next spring, one analyst claims.

Analyst Will Strauss, president of wireless chip market research firm Forward Concepts, explained to CNet his belief on why Apple showed off an iPhone 4S and not the rumored "iPhone 5" on Tuesday. The new device features the A5 processor, an improved camera, a redesigned antenna and an integrated voice recognition feature called Siri.

If we cant show off with it, whats the point of buying one? The iPhone 4Ss design has no major difference from the iPhone 4, is this a major reason why the 4S wont be welcomed in China? Vain people dont care about features, they care about how it looks,

For goodness sake.

They seem to be arguing for change for the sake of change. How shallow can you get? The design of the iPhone and it's OS is world class, this is why Samsung created a clone along with Google's Android. The build quality of the iPhone is superb and it now has a dual core chip and a very, very good camera, there in your pocket when you need it. Perhaps if Apple made micro changes to the shape of the edges or the buttons people would have been extactic? I like the size of my iPhone in my pocket, it's big enough to be useful (with its gorgeous display) and small enough to comfortably 'disappear' in terms of comfort.

The development of the latest network technologies is in a state of flux, when hasn't it been? The 4s targets large segments of the technologies around the world currently in place. Apple will most likely have an LTE capable solution if or when LTE is widely rolled out. Why wouldn't they? In the meantime the 4s and Apple integrated sysetm - as a whole - will be creating a wake in which the rest of the industry will follow.
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According to Penn Olson, the reactions of Chinese netizens on the Weibo micro-blogging service have been overwhelmingly negative. A backlash from Chinese customers could prove costly to Apple, which has said that its iPhone focus has been on China.

“‘If we can’t show off with it, what’s the point of buying one?’ The iPhone 4S’s design has no major difference from the iPhone 4, is this a major reason why the 4S won’t be welcomed in China? Vain people don’t care about features, they care about how it looks,” the translation of one post read.

This is what Apple will learn with regret. The China market had exploded because of the newly designed iPhone, iPad and Macbook Air. We don't want our notebook to be upgraded yearly, but the phone is different. If Apple plan to continue with this iPhone_s every two year then they will kiss goodbye the spectacular China market growth.
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Well, I'll be waiting till next June - or so - for the iPhone 5 with new body and LTE on Verizon.
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Really? A wildly improved processor, remarkable camera, and awesome voice recognition is nothing to be proud of? \

The processor was available in March, I am pretty sure that Siri is a gimmick, a toy that would be fun to play for a dew days and forget. The fact that it was introduced with fanfare today was nothing else but "faire bonne mine a mauvais jeu" as French say.

Then we left with the camera upgrade. Was that really what they did for the last one and a half year?
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Really? A wildly improved processor, remarkable camera, and awesome voice recognition is nothing to be proud of? \

How do you know these statements are accurate? You've not used the "remarkable camera" or the "awesome voice recognition" yet.
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I seriously doubt the 2012 iPhone will be called iPhone 5. I expect it to be called iPhone 4G and to retain the same form factor as the 4 and the 4S.
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The processor was available in March, I am pretty sure that Siri is a gimmick, a toy that would be fun to play for a dew days and forget. The fact that it was introduced with fanfare today was nothing else but "faire bonne mine a mauvais jeu" as French say.

Then we left with the camera upgrade. Was that really what they did for the last one and a half year?

To call Siri a "toy" and "gimmick" implies it is not useful. If it's not useful to you, fine - but that's subjective. I for one would love to dictate emails, texts, and ask for directions. To me and many others, that's a nice feature. You're free to not use it. It also uses GOBS of RAM... much more than is currently in the iPhone 4 and iPad 2.

Expanding on voice commands as an input method is a given in computing, not a toy. I suppose a keyboard is also a toy.
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It also uses GOBS of RAM... much more than is currently in the iPhone 4 and iPad 2.

Nobody knows yet how much RAM is in the new iPhone.
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The processor was available in March, I am pretty sure that Siri is a gimmick, a toy that would be fun to play for a dew days and forget. The fact that it was introduced with fanfare today was nothing else but "faire bonne mine a mauvais jeu" as French say.

Then we left with the camera upgrade. Was that really what they did for the last one and a half year?

The processor was available in March? While bearing the same name, I'm sure it's not identical to the iPad's A5 (which is world-leading, still), given the difference in form factor, power constraints, etc.

Also, just because you don't see the use in it, Siri looks pretty cool.

Obviously, the 4S was delayed to coincide with iOS 5.
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I know many Apple fans like to pretend that isn't a real problem. It is. Get over it. This is one of the reasons I bought a case for my iPhone 4. When I can decrease my signal by 2 bars or more by placing one fingertip on a spot on the side of the phone, there is a design flaw. Doesn't mean the phone is crap. Best phone I ever owned. Just stop pretending this problem doesn't exist.

And just as many like to beat a dead horse over here, to divert attention over there. I never said the problem didn't exist. I'm pretending squat. Nice try spinning it though. Every phone has issues regardless of who makes it. People just seem to aim directly at Apple when other players are just as guilty, if not more.

My old Nokias, Sony-Erricsons, and Motorola phones all had ways to make the signal bars go down. I had to adjust the way I held each particular phone. After a few times to remember, it was a non-issue. Were people screaming and kicking about those? No.

My iP4 does not experience the finger-of-death. My phone case made no difference. It just means my conditions are different than yours. This is no more a "real problem" than the other phones. Maybe I'm just more forgiving of technology where some vocal people seem to expect absolute perfection in everything.

So if anyone needs to "get over it", it's you. ALL phones exhibit this "problem" to one degree or another. In the case of the iPhone, a hugely large majority of their owners - on a global level - have zero issues with it.
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Apple's newly-announced iPhone 4S is an incremental stopgap while the company prepares a phone branded as the "iPhone 5" with 4G Long-Term Evolution data speeds for next spring, one analyst claims.

Oh lawd... didn't the rumor sites just get bodyslammed? And we're already throwing out a new round of crazy rumors?
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Obviously, the 4S was delayed to coincide with iOS 5.

I'd also add that Apple likely dragged their feet on releasing the 4S because the 4 was selling so well.
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Let's sit back and watch the nexus prime blow this away this time next week.

The galaxy s 2 is better than this for god sake....
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Goddammit, no. Haven't we learned anything from yesterday's announcement? Repeat after me: Analysts know nothing. They're talking out of their asses. The next iPhone will arrive when Apple says it will, and it's name is to be determined. Everything else is bullshit.

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Does anyone want to buy a few million useless iPhone 5 cases?
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First significant misstep of Apple in a really long period of time...
Perhaps Jobs leaving before 4s announcement is not a coincidence. Nothing to be proud of really.

Nah, I'd have to guess you're new to watching Apple this closely. It's always been this way. That's why it's not worth reading into rumours. You'll only end up disappointed. I'm generally disappointed with every keynote and have been for about ten years now. When you're this seasoned, it's sensible to get cynical.
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Does anyone want to buy a few million useless iPhone 5 cases?

I had a feeling those cases were a Chinese con. Poor suckers who bought those things.
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I'm predicting Apple won't use the name iPhone 5 at all now because of the ridiculous rumour mongering this time around. I predict it'll be the iPhone LTE akin to iPhone 3G.
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I seriously doubt the 2012 iPhone will be called iPhone 5. I expect it to be called iPhone 4G and to retain the same form factor as the 4 and the 4S.

That depends on 4G being ratified as a specific technology by that time. I don't believe it has yet. If they go down the LTE route it should be the iPhone LTE.

It's "LTE Advanced" that is a 4G candidate technology. LTE (non-Advanced) isn't a candidate for being ratified as 4G.
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Imagine if the next iPhone is called the iPhone 4G! Then people will have to learn - say it with me, "G before S in English, but S before G in Apple!".

So, we will have the iPhone 4S - pronounced "iPhone Force" & iPhone 4G - pronounced "iPhone Forge". Round that off with calling the next iteration as the iPhone 4K and that would be perfect!

Well, that's my useless post for the day. I am pretty disappointed with this, but I felt the same way about the 3GS and I picked that up in a hurry when it was available. I'm sure I'll do the same with the 4S as well.
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The processor was available in March, I am pretty sure that Siri is a gimmick, a toy that would be fun to play for a dew days and forget. The fact that it was introduced with fanfare today was nothing else but "faire bonne mine a mauvais jeu" as French say.

Then we left with the camera upgrade. Was that really what they did for the last one and a half year?

The processor SoC for the iPad was available in March. You don't know jack about Siri.
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The smart phone market is accelerating rapidly but it is still in its infancy...

I do really like the iPhone 4S (and plan to upgrade from my 3GS), but I do think Apple really needed to get this phone out the door a little sooner and had some cosmetic differences.

Like I said in another post, I think the reason we have don't have an iPhone 5 today is directly linked to the firing of Mark Papermaster...
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why would they call it iPhone 5 if it's the 6th iPhone?
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First significant misstep of Apple in a really long period of time...
Perhaps Jobs leaving before 4s announcement is not a coincidence. Nothing to be proud of really.

Yesterday, I posted the opinion that Steve got out while the getting was good.

This release reverses many trends at Apple. It might signal changes that the old-time Apple fans will not like. It clearly shows that Apple thinks the profit sweet spot is not at the cutting edge of phone tech, but rather, in the mid-market. They have already made the change with computers, and now with phones.

"Good enough for Grandma" is likely what Apple is aiming for now.
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What part of this don't these guys understand:

iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS - (incremental upgrade)
iPhone 4 (Major feature/hardware upgrade)
iPhone 4S - incremental upgrade
iPhone 5 (or whatever. they could even drop the numbering and just call it the 'new iPhone' like they do with the iPod touch) - (Major feature/hardware upgrade)

etc etc etc

Cosmetic differences on an annual basis is not really what Apple do unless it suits the platform. How many years do iMacs/Macbooks etc stay in the same form factor? How many years do iPod's stay the same? You normally get a couple of years or so from a form factor so any analysts who were surprised by this should really hand in their notice.
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Cosmetic differences on an annual basis

Good design != cosmetic differences. People wanted an improved design.
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What part of this don't these guys understand:

iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS - (incremental upgrade)
iPhone 4 (Major feature/hardware upgrade)
iPhone 4S - incremental upgrade
iPhone 5 - (Major feature/hardware upgrade)

etc etc etc

your forgot first iPhone. the cycle changes if you add that to the mix.

iPhone - (original)
iPhone 3G - (case design change)
iPhone 3GS - (major hardware upgrade)
iPhone 4 (case design change)
iPhone 4S - (major hardware upgrade)
iPhone ? - (case design change)

when the case design changes, very little changes in the hardware. the 3G added a 3G antenna and a slightly better camera but the processor was essentially the same. the 4 also added a better camera, and the processor was now apple branded, but not a huge jump from that in the 3GS.
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What part of this don't these guys understand:

iPhone 3G
iPhone 3GS - (incremental upgrade)
iPhone 4 (Major feature/hardware upgrade)
iPhone 4S - incremental upgrade
iPhone 5 (or whatever. they could even drop the numbering and just call it the 'new iPhone' like they do with the iPod touch) - (Major feature/hardware upgrade)

etc etc etc

Cosmetic differences on an annual basis is not really what Apple do unless it suits the platform. How many years do iMacs/Macbooks etc stay in the same form factor? How many years do iPod's stay the same? You normally get a couple of years or so from a form factor so any analysts who were surprised by this should really hand in their notice.

You're missing the major argument in that it shouldn't take 16 months for an incremental upgrade which is far less than the 3GS from the 3G. It's you who's not understanding.
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Oh please... this is the same kind of nonsense that naysayers, whiners, and iHaters said about "Antennagate", the small screen, and using glass for both sides of the phone.

But hey, thanks to folks like you, we can add yet another "Apple is doomed" rant about coming out with a "4s" moniker instead of a number 5.

There was no misstep on Apple's part. This is the Apple's methodical and evolutionary approach to not rush things to market before they're ready.

I guess in your world, a new model that is 7-9 times faster than the previous phone is just not good enough for tech-heads like you.

You are absolutely correct IMHO. The changes are as significant as iPad 1 to iPad 2 and we all know how successful that was. BTW I doubt he is a 'tech-head' or what you say would be obvious to him.
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[Siri] also uses GOBS of RAM... much more than is currently in the iPhone 4 and iPad 2.

All the reports coming out suggest that the iPhone 4S has the same amount of RAM as the iPhone 4 and iPad 2.

And what is your source on Siri using lots of RAM? Why would it? Engadget is reporting that most of the processing is done server-side anyway.
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You are absolutely correct IMHO. The changes are as significant as iPad 1 to iPad 2 and we all know how successful that was. BTW I doubt he is a 'tech-head' or what you say would be obvious to him.

Yet that took only 10 months and received a whole new chasis.
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Is that the same analyst who said on Monday that Apple would release a new iPhone 5 - and had pictures of a case with an iPhone 5 label on it to back it up?

I really don't understand all the chatter over the name - look at the specs side by side - comparing which ever two phones you like (3G, 3GS, 4, 4S) and ignore the name and decide for yourself if spending $ on the new model is worth it for you compared to what you have.

Or consider the possible resale value (or hand me down value) of your current phone.
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Good design != cosmetic differences. People wanted an improved design.

People (in the tech world) fall into two groups, those that will hate anything Apple does whatever and the rest (an ever growing group). Duel core A5 chip, new antenna technology, new Camera chip, lens and software, 1080p HD video at 30 fps with gyroscopic stabilization! The 4s is literally a better still camera, a better HD video camera than the vast majority of people currently have as well as more powerful than many PCs out here. Oh and it happens to be a world phone too with transfer rates faster than any other phone where a network is truly able to support it.

I suspect if it had the ability to transport matter the Apple haters would still be making stupid comments. I will just keep watching my long term held Apple stock and smile.
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Yet that took only 10 months and received a whole new chasis.
Next?
Good try.

If you think iPad 1 to iPad 2 was just a case change you shouldn't be on this blog. Try the Leggo users group might be intellectually more your style.

Anyway, let us just wait to see the sales figures in a few months and see if Apple have blundered or not
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