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What you say would be true if, and only if, the stock market as a whole was governed strictly by people reacting to individual companies based on their individual products. As it stands, however, much of what happens in the stock market is governed by people reacting to global or national issues (e.g. fears about the Economy in Europe, a natural disaster, or worry about a second dip recession). You can gauge these things by looking a changes applied generally across the whole market, and this also happens to be the reason why someone can come on in the morning, on NPR Marketplace, and tell you why the Dow slipped 3%, or why most financial institutions slipped ~X%. And two more things. APPL is an indexed stock which subjects it to a range of trading, automated or otherwise, based solely on an index. Also, much of the trading which takes place is handled by software based on a range of conditions. Thus, AAPL can be up or down—sometimes significantly—based on a range of conditions which can have absolutely nothing to do with Apple. Thus, some understanding of market shifts as a whole, on any given day, is necessary to make judgements about how investors responded to a specific company-related event like the release of the iPhone 4GS.

This is extremely basic stuff. If you're really going to sit here and argue that gauging investor reaction to the iPhone 4GS is as simple as checking to see if the ticker is red or green, you have no business discussing the stock market.

To answer your nitpick quibble, I checked around the time I wrote (I balance this stuff with real work), and it was closer to -0.4%. And even -0.2% represents nothing positive. Relative to the NASDAQ, it's a wash.

As for Google, it rarely responds in significant degree to AAPL, so your point is useless. This could be because investors understand that Google's income comes, primarily, from sources other than Android, so even if Android were wiped off the face of the planet they would still be considering the sources which account for the majority of Google's income.

A better comparison would have been RIM, which does respond in relation to Apple announcements, and this is because the performance of the iPhone and Apple in the smartphone market has a direct impact on RIM. If you look at their stock, you can see how it adjusted around the Apple announcement, and quite positively. Again, negative investor response to the Apple iPhone 4S.

Note that the investors are, generally, idiots anyway. Any negativity today will be washed away in time as Apple, once again, smashes the negative expectations associated with their product, announces remarkable sales and profit, and lives on to complete the cycle again.

You do go on and on and on.

Adjusted around the Apple announcement? You'd better check your facts. The general upswing in the markets started right at that time... right around 2 pm... AAPL waited an hour... probably digesting the announcement. RIMM did not react to the Apple news... it reacted to the market upswing (and it was heavily oversold). Until that time RIMM was headed into the toilet with everyone else... and then it reacted today as it should on take-out rumors (ie. interest by Vodafone)[... and that may have also added to yesterday's upswing as well].

The market sees the 4S as neutral, not negative. AAPL is acting just as it should. As a matter of fact a lot of times we see selling pressure just before the quarterly... but it seems there must be some "positive" pressure keeping AAPL's head above water.

If I saw a 3% difference between AAPl and the Nasdaq, then I'd say it's negative.. but we're talking about AAPL, one of the best performing and least rewarded stocks out there today.
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+1 and here here!

Tm Cook's approach to the release did seem to be a bit lack-luster (

The 'problem' is that Tim has no interest, it seems, in being the rock god personality that Steve became. And given the issues Apple has had with Steve's fame it is a wise decision

A friend of mine once said the Steve was like Richard Gere's character in Chicago. Both could roll out a turd and by force of their personality get you to buy ten and love them. And to a point, I have to agree.

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[on edit: trailing the Naz by less than 1% does not a negative reaction make... neutral... sure... but not negative]

Actually it could. It really depends on whether, in relation to the movement of other stocks in the market, AAPL's move was statistically significantly different from 'zero' or not.

It's all relative.
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You just don't like to be wrong about anything. I think I've figured it out.
Anyone who understands the topic and has followed the discussion can decide for themselves.
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Historical data: Android marketshare is now greater than iOS marketshare and growing, both within the U.S. and worldwide.

That's irrelevant.

(If you disagree, tell us why).
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I don't disagree that Apple will see good sales. From my perspective, the debate concerns what it could have been.

I know what you are trying to say but do we know yet what it could have been? Did the fat lady sing?
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Any iPhone 4 owners upgrading?.

Sure. Lots of them. Just read these forums for examples.

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Thus, doom for Apple? The response to Android depends on other far-reaching operating systems competing at all ranges of the market. If no such response arrives (e.g. competitors like Microsoft fail) Android will continue to grow in market share. That does not mean much for Apple, though. Android has to convince current iPhone users, en masse, to migrate to Android for the material impact to take place, and that's not happening (nor do I expect it will unless Apple sits on its laurels and Android and its marketplace starts to receive some really great polish).

Marketshare is not the statistic to look for in determining the success of every platform. It may be vital if, like Google, what you really want is eyeballs and clicks, or if, like some PC manufacturers, you're operating on extremely slender margins, but for Apple what they need is their slice of the high end market.

Market share is not all that important. Apple was making lots of money on the iPhone even when they were less than 1% of phones sold. Similarly, Apple making a ton of money on their computers - even though their market share is relatively small.

Apple has chosen to go after the profitable niches in both computers and phones. They are not the least bit interested in the "how cheaply can I buy a product" segment.


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For Apple to compete on marketshare as Android does it will have to license its operating system to other hardware manufacturers. If they had done that, Android would never have grown as it did. If they did that, they would start to eat heavily into Android's marketshare. But in doing this, they would also have to sacrifice so much of what makes the iPhone such an exceptional device, and they'd probably also be making a terrible business decision.

That is, of course, nonsense. First, Apple doesn't compete on market share. They're happy to take as much share as they can get, but not at the expense of profit. Second, even without licensing, the #1 and #2 phones in the country are iPhones. iOS currently has the highest share of any portable OS.

Market share is not the goal. Profits are - and Apple is doing extremely well.

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Apple is still under-performing the market since the iPhone4S announcement.

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL

HP, Dell, Microsoft, Amazon and most other high profile tech stocks on the NASDAQ have done better (as a percentage) than Apple today, as did the overall NASDAQ average. I don't think they've convinced investors quite yet, but they'll come around, probably sooner rather than later.

I see. So you're also one of those who can't evaluate a product for yourself but has to make the erroneous assumption that short term market share swings are critical?

As you know, lots of rumors drive the stock before and after a big announcement, so swings on the day of an announcement are relatively meaningless. To determine if a company is on the right track, you have to look at a longer trend. For example, Apple's stock is about 10% higher than it was 6 months ago. NASDAQ, for comparison, is about 10% lower than 6 months ago.

So how do you conclude that Apple is on the wrong track?
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Actually it could. It really depends on whether, in relation to the movement of other stocks in the market, AAPL's move was statistically significantly different from 'zero' or not.

It's all relative.

Sorry, I think you might have typed that wrong.

Are you saying that if there was a significant difference (ie. 3% difference even if AAPL was positive) or are you saying that it doesn't matter if it's even less than 1%?

[I'm basing this on a historical perspective of AAPL, which, to me, is open the most under rewarded stocks in the market.... so it tends to play a little differently anyway]

[on edit: This all started because I said that investors were showing a positive sentiment for AAPL by bringing it into positive territory... at that time there was ~ - .4% difference.]
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You just don't like to be wrong about anything.

Anyone who says this sort of shit really hasn't thought about it.

I'll match the number of times that I've apologized to someone for being wrong with anyone on this board.

Maybe I just don't think you're right... especially when you start talking about RIMM reacting to AAPL's announcement when it was just reacting with every other stock, including AAPL, to a market upswing. It doesn't give me much confidence in your knowledge.
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That is what people don't understand. So many argue about this being "the best" or that being "the best", but other than some freakazoids on internet forums, vanishingly small numbers of consumers care about the very best.

Tell me who sells more cars - Ferrari or Honda? Yeah, now tell me who sells more phones, the spec whores or Apple?

Apple knows that they do NOT have to be the best. They just need to be good enough. And the profits will roll in.

Simple as that.

No, that's comparison is flawed, because Apple is also at the top tier.

Apple itself is like Ferrari and others. Cutting edge, great overall package. Everyone loves it

Android phones are like standard but uber tuned cars. They do everything possible to get those 100 extra hp, even if at the end the car itself isn't as good as it could be.

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Market share is not all that important. Apple was making lots of money on the iPhone even when they were less than 1% of phones sold. Similarly, Apple making a ton of money on their computers - even though their market share is relatively small.

Apple has chosen to go after the profitable niches in both computers and phones. They are not the least bit interested in the "how cheaply can I buy a product" segment.

We don't disagree. Why do you think we do?

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That is, of course, nonsense. First, Apple doesn't compete on market share. They're happy to take as much share as they can get, but not at the expense of profit. Second, even without licensing, the #1 and #2 phones in the country are iPhones. iOS currently has the highest share of any portable OS.

Market share is not the goal. Profits are - and Apple is doing extremely well.

First, how is that nonsense? Especially the statement you bolded?

Are you reading something into discussion which wasn't written? Once again, we don't disagree. I was giving an example of what Apple would have to do to compete with Android in terms of marketshare, but in that same paragraph I pointed out why I thought it would be a bad idea, and that it would strip the iPhone of many qualities which make it such a wonderful device. And in that same post I went on to explain why market share is not an important statistic for measuring the success of the iPhone.

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I see. So you're also one of those who can't evaluate a product for yourself but has to make the erroneous assumption that short term market share swings are critical? [...] So how do you conclude that Apple is on the wrong track?

And while this wasn't addressed to me, I think it represents some of the problem above. All they did was make a simple factual observation about two days in the market. They did not say that it was meaningful in the long term, nor did they explain that Apple is on the wrong track. In fact, they even expressed to the contrary that the market will come around.

Have you been responding to too many trolls or something?
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I have a 3GS so do several of my friends/peers 45-50 years old, professional, financially independent, predominately male. The iPhone 4 was a great entry point for those in this demographic who were still using blackberries and had not made the switch with 3GS. For those few still using blackberries There are some who are going to migrate to iPhone 4s and some waiting for iPhone 5.

For me personally I am not going to migrate off of 3GS until iPhone 5 and I do not know of any current iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4 user moving to iPhone 4S. All are waiting for iPhone 5.

It is the unit forecasts for iPhone 4s that have inflated expectations. The stock will suffer as these unit forecasts are reduced to more accurate figures.
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Originally Posted by Gatorguy
Quote:Apple is still under-performing the market since the iPhone4S announcement.

http://www.google.com/finance?client=ob&q=NASDAQ:AAPL

HP, Dell, Microsoft, Amazon and most other high profile tech stocks on the NASDAQ have done better (as a percentage) than Apple today, as did the overall NASDAQ average. I don't think they've convinced investors quite yet, but they'll come around, probably sooner rather than later.


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I see. So you're also one of those who can't evaluate a product for yourself but has to make the erroneous assumption that short term market share swings are critical?

As you know, lots of rumors drive the stock before and after a big announcement, so swings on the day of an announcement are relatively meaningless. To determine if a company is on the right track, you have to look at a longer trend. For example, Apple's stock is about 10% higher than it was 6 months ago. NASDAQ, for comparison, is about 10% lower than 6 months ago.

So how do you conclude that Apple is on the wrong track?

Did you actually read what I wrote before quoting and responding?
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...and the 3GS

...the 3

...the latest iPod

...the nano

...the initial iPod

i wasn't here for the first release of OSX, was it like this?

How are all those working out?

Check out the 2001 video of Jobs introducing the iPod. It looks like the same venue at their campus and the audience seemed less impressed than the iPhone 4 event yesterday.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kN0SVBCJqLs
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It is the unit forecasts for iPhone 4s that have inflated expectations. The stock will suffer as these unit forecasts are reduced to more accurate figures.

Oh really? What are the unit forecast sales for iPhone 4s and what do you expect they will actually be? Are you shorting the stock?
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Did you actually read what I wrote before quoting and responding?

Nothing to do with what you are saying... just an observation.

The funniest thing to me about discussing AAPL is when the rest of the market tanks and AAPL tanks with it, all we hear about is how badly AAPL is performing. If the Naz tanked 10% over 2 weeks but AAPL only tanked 8% during that time... do you really think we'd hear about how well AAPL is doing against the rest of the market.

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I have a 3GS so do several of my friends/peers 45-50 years old, professional, financially independent, predominately male. The iPhone 4 was a great entry point for those in this demographic who were still using blackberries and had not made the switch with 3GS. For those few still using blackberries There are some who are going to migrate to iPhone 4s and some waiting for iPhone 5.

For me personally I am not going to migrate off of 3GS until iPhone 5 and I do not know of any current iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4 user moving to iPhone 4S. All are waiting for iPhone 5.

It is the unit forecasts for iPhone 4s that have inflated expectations. The stock will suffer as these unit forecasts are reduced to more accurate figures.

Yeah, except I think you missed the part where Tim Cook says that Apple has less than 10% of the global mobile handset market. That was significant, bupecause it shows you that Apple isn't necessarily going after people who have iPhone 3GS or iPhone 4 today... Apple is eyeing all of the people who are still not using smartphones, worldwide.

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Nothing to do with what you are saying... just an observation.

The funniest thing to me about discussing AAPL is when the rest of the market tanks and AAPL tanks with it, all we hear about is how badly AAPL is performing. If the Naz tanked 10% over 2 weeks but AAPL only tanked 8% during that time... do you really think we'd hear about how well AAPL is doing against the rest of the market.

Har!

Fair enough.
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And while this wasn't addressed to me, I think it represents some of the problem above. All they did was make a simple factual observation about two days in the market. They did not say that it was meaningful in the long term, nor did they explain that Apple is on the wrong track. In fact, they even expressed to the contrary that the market will come around.

Have you been responding to too many trolls or something?

You're being ridiculous. Why would he even bring up Apple's one day stock performance in a thread about the new iPhone if he didn't think they were related?

And several people specifically said that Apple's stock performance was an indication that Wall Street didn't think the iPhone was any good.
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When the Apple haters discuss Apple suing Samsung for copying the iPhone design, design doesn't matter. When Apple releases a new phone without any design changes, design suddenly matters most. Hypocrites.
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You're being ridiculous. Why would he even bring up Apple's one day stock performance in a thread about the new iPhone if he didn't think they were related?

And several people specifically said that Apple's stock performance was an indication that Wall Street didn't think the iPhone was any good.

I brought it up because you had written that Wall Street's view of Apple's announcement had now turned quite positive. I noted that was probably being premature and not a "quite positive" reaction since Apple was still under-performing the overall NASDAQ the following day. I also wrote that I believe investors would come around to a more positive outlook sooner rather than later.

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The reaction on Wall Street is now quite positive... One. Day. After. the unveiling.
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Off topic:

Terrible news breaking right now.

Steve has passed away.

How sad.
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Off topic:

Terrible news breaking right now.

Steve has passed away.

How sad.

The entire tech world recognizes him as an irreplaceable legend. A sad day indeed.

http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2011/...s-passes-away/
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Understandable then, that this week's iPhone launch was never going to be a particularly happy affair. Well done Tim and the Apple team, you carried yourselves so well given the burden that you must have been carrying. \

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I brought it up because you had written that Wall Street's view of Apple's announcement had now turned quite positive.

No, I didn't. Your own quote shows that it wasn't me.

Unlike you, I don't base company evaluations on short term swings.


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I noted that was probably being premature and not a "quite positive" reaction since Apple was still under-performing the overall NASDAQ the following day. I also wrote that I believe investors would come around to a more positive outlook sooner rather than later.

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The reaction on Wall Street is now quite positive... One. Day. After. the unveiling.
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I brought it up because you had written that Wall Street's view of Apple's announcement had now turned quite positive. I noted that was probably being premature and not a "quite positive" reaction since Apple was still under-performing the overall NASDAQ the following day. I also wrote that I believe investors would come around to a more positive outlook sooner rather than later.

Originally Posted by island hermit
The reaction on Wall Street is now quite positive... One. Day. After. the unveiling.

Hey, Gatorguy... that was me, as you can see.

Everything is relative.

The sentiment did turn quite positive... relative to the doom and gloom observed throughout the media.

Down .8% from the Naz... certainly positive in my mind considering it's Apple we're talking about and the amount of negative press the 4S received immediately after the unveiling. Anything up looked positive... which it is under the circumstances.

I guess some of these guys haven't traded stocks and been involved heavily into a sector when the bottom falls out (ie. uranium in March... now that's negative).

It's all relative.

Whatever... not important right now... or ever for that matter.
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I believe even a fool is consider wise when he keeps his mouth shout.
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The iP4S is not very exciting, but it certainly has teeth.

The A5 and SGX543MP2 is the most powerful CPU and GPU in the history of cell phones. Even more powerful than the Galaxy S 2's dual core exynos chip and Mali400 which held the title of most power chip in a phone till yesterday.

So the iP4S may lack presentation, but it will deliver massive gains over the the iP4
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Hey, Gatorguy... that was me, as you can see.

Everything is relative.

The sentiment did turn quite positive... relative to the doom and gloom observed throughout the media.

Down .8% from the Naz... certainly positive in my mind considering it's Apple we're talking about and the amount of negative press the 4S received immediately after the unveiling. Anything up looked positive... which it is under the circumstances.

I guess some of these guys haven't traded stocks and been involved heavily into a sector when the bottom falls out (ie. uranium in March... now that's negative).

It's all relative.

Whatever... not important right now... or ever for that matter.

Sorry for the confusion over who's who guys. In any case it was simply an observation.
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Sorry, I think you might have typed that wrong.

Are you saying that if there was a significant difference (ie. 3% difference even if AAPL was positive) or are you saying that it doesn't matter if it's even less than 1%?

[I'm basing this on a historical perspective of AAPL, which, to me, is open the most under rewarded stocks in the market.... so it tends to play a little differently anyway]

[on edit: This all started because I said that investors were showing a positive sentiment for AAPL by bringing it into positive territory... at that time there was ~ - .4% difference.]

I was making a point about whether some observed change is significant or not. The argument holds true on the upside or the downside. There may be days in which a move of <1% (relative to the market) may be significant, and other days when a move of, say, >2% may be insignificant. It depends on how other stocks in the market have moved.

In other words, one cannot make any statement about whether the stock was 'up' or 'down' reflecting 'good news' or 'bad news,' respectively, by looking at absolute changes. We need to look at (i) relative changes, and (ii) conditioned on the volatility in the rest of the market.
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I was making a point about whether some observed change is significant or not. The argument holds true on the upside or the downside. There may be days in which a move of <1% (relative to the market) may be significant, and other days when a move of, say, >2% may be insignificant. It depends on how other stocks in the market have moved.

In other words, one cannot make any statement about whether the stock was 'up' or 'down' reflecting 'good news' or 'bad news,' respectively, by looking at absolute changes. We need to look at (i) relative changes, and (ii) conditioned on the volatility in the rest of the market.

Oh, I get all of that. I was trying to put in perspective what and who we are dealing with in this case.

This is Apple... a lot of times AAPL will lag a bit and in this case I was also trying to put it in perspective with the given event. There seemed to be a lot of negative press the day before about the 4S... it's as if a star basketball player who normally scores 26 points in a game has hurt his leg one day... news sounds quite negative about his chances of playing the next day... the point spread widens... the next day out comes the player and he scores 23 points. Now... considering that some people didn't expect him to play would you say that he did well (ie. positive) or would you say he played negatively because he was 3 points off his average. Half empty or half full. I went with positive. ... and, AAPL was following the trend with every other stock... they went up, AAPL went up during that time... unlike, for instance, GOOG which actually went down at a point when others were going up. AAPL was following the trend.

Anyway, I was just trying to consider everything involved, including the atmosphere that surrounded Apple yesterday... and, in my mind, I expected Apple to fare worse considering the bitching heard in the media the day before, so a gain that got Apple with .8% of average seemed quite positive to me. [ie. GOOG received a downgrade yesterday and it was off almost 2%... now if AAPL had been off that much then I would have conceded that it was negative]

[plus... now we know there may have been other reasons for everyone's seemingly lack lustre performance]

* perfect example, Thursday 6th... this is an example of negative... not because AAPL is down but because AAPL is bucking the trend... as other stocks went up, AAPL went down... the two previous days we saw AAPL following the trend... just not up as much as the other stocks on Tues and Wed.
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I'll match the number of times that I've apologized to someone for being wrong with anyone on this board.

Well that wouldn't be hard given you're wrong more often than anyone else...

Joking.

There's only a couple posters on this forum that will take denial to extremes and it's pretty funny to watch them try.
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Well that wouldn't be hard given you're wrong more often than anyone else...

Joking.

There's only a couple posters on this forum that will take denial to extremes and it's pretty funny to watch them try.

I wonder how many people in these forums would actually know if a person was right or wrong.
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Spot on.

It's even worse than you suggest. In the UK, they haven't even started the bidding for the rights to the LTE bandwidths! It'll be years before we have an LTE network, but people still moan they don't have the antenna. 'Morons' in the right word.

This is a world phone now, and the hard reality is that LTE is not coming this year, or even next year, or even the year after that in many of Apple's core markets. It's a complete white elephant at the moment.

This isn't an earth-shattering update, but those days are gone. The iPhone 4 made the phone feature complete. From now on it'll be about more speed, better software and a few bells and whistles adding each year. People want Apple to reinvent the phone every summer, it's madness.

As for lacking 'panache', so do the launches from almost all tech products. Apple stood out in the past by having that panache. Without Steve Jobs, perhaps that's gone now but that doesn't make Apple's launch any worse than their competition's.

The only mistake Apple perhaps made here was unveiling iCloud in the summer. People aren't factoring that in to the new release. It's going to be hugely convenient for iOS users but because they heard about it months ago it isn't adding gloss to this release, as it may have otherwise done.

In the end, who cares? Most of us can see through the hype and see what a superb phone the iPhone is. I don't need it put on a turntable with a leggy blonde draped over it to make me buy it.

Will iPhone 4 users want to upgrade? Most of them won't, no. But Apple knew that because every iPhone 4 user is half way through a 2 year contract! The people upgrading to this will be 3GS users, who'll freak out when they see how fast this thing is compared to what they're used to. It may not be Optimus Prime, but it's a sensible update and sensible people can see that.

How refreshing. A critical thinker who understands Apple's two-year upgrade strategy. There are so few who gets this. The iPhone 4S was never meant for owners of the iPhone 4. Its target market is 3GS owners and those who don't own an iPhone yet.
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Back to the original point that the presentation lacked "panache". If so, I suspect it's because Tim knew.
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Back to the original point that the presentation lacked "panache". If so, I suspect it's because Tim knew.

Steve's biographer supposedly knew a few weeks ago, so I'm sure Tim knew and that the weight was hanging over everyone. Steve would have wanted the show to go on, but it must have been heavy.

 

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post #277 of 280
Is there a better reason for the reserved seat at the event than a symbolic gesture for Steve?
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When the iP4S was being shown, Steve Jobs was probably on his death bed. That is sure to affect the tone and mood.

I expect the next event will be more lively since it will be long after people are done mourning.
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Yah, the iPhone 4S looks to be a great device and a good run up for the iPhone 5 which I expect early next summer rather than fall. We'll see how they do in the next product release.

@solipsism I'm starting to wondering if the product launch was moved up from later in the month to make sure Steve was still around for it. That much rehashing of iOS 5 seemed odd and the lack of one more thing seemed too much like a missed opportunity for the first at bat for a new CEO with something to prove. And no iPod touch refresh at all?

Maybe not, but I wouldn't be all that surprised if Apple has another one of these small get togethers before Halloween.
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When the iP4S was being shown, Steve Jobs was probably on his death bed. That is sure to affect the tone and mood.

Definitely. Now I realise why when I was reading the liveblog everything felt so "sucky".

Now I understand the strategy of the iPhone 4S, Steve somehow planned for them to transition smoothly in his absence/ extreme illness/ death.

Rather than go for broke with iPad3 Retina, iPhone5 and iPod refreshes, he just got them to stay the course in delivering on their iOS5, improve the iPhone4S in light of LTE and other technologies coming up, making it world phone at least for US dominance, and now with his passing they are almost, more certain in what they can do and can forge ahead. Next year and maybe the year after that we'll see what Steve was really planning in his final months. Jon Ives probably, maybe even more than Tim Cook, would have been privy to Steve's most brilliant ideas yet to even take physical form as prototypes.

Steve even in his death proved everyone wrong yet again. "It just worked". Taking a medical leave of absence, putting all the "succession" stuff in place, handing off increasing portions of the keynote to others in the past few years, and knowing absolutely the point of his own point of no return when he officially stepped down as CEO. Staying on long enough for Tim's first keynote to succeed. Even in dying, he was a perfectionist, one could almost say.

As per his beliefs, I believe his consciousness is now disseminated and may be reincarnated in different forms in different times of history in our universe or parallel universes. He is now in every Mac, every iPhone, every iPad, everything tech.

I postulate that maybe as a human being gains increasing spread of their consciousness they may no longer need to inhabit one, limited physical form.

But for now, may the Divine bless you Steve, and you will certainly be missed. We need someone like you for our next big challenges: finance, energy, environment, space, medicine. Not necessarily in that order or exclusively in each field.
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