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I admit up front, I don't know much about business. But what does someone like Al Gore bring to the Apple Board of Directors?
post #82 of 122
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Originally Posted by bcode View Post

Perhaps the worst idea I've heard yet. Zuckerberg understands nothing about Apple culture.

There is a reason Steve and him had one meeting, and one meeting only. He's a prick, and Steve knew it.

And how do we know they had one meeting only? If you believe internet rumors/stories, they have had at least 2 or 3. If you don't believe them, then you have no way of knowing of any meetings unless you were there. If you were there, you wouldn't know if they had more meetings.

In other words, there is no universe in which your claim of one and only one meeting could stand up.

post #83 of 122
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

I admit up front, I don't know much about business. But what does someone like Al Gore bring to the Apple Board of Directors?

Well, if board members would have a say in such things (don't know if they do), the environment pages on every product of Apple's.

And having a Mac Pro with a PSU 89% efficient is certainly better than a PSU with no consideration therefor.

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post #84 of 122
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

I admit up front, I don't know much about business. But what does someone like Al Gore bring to the Apple Board of Directors?

Street creds and influence in political circles and environmentalists. Apple doesn't invest much in lobbying. Gore may be a surrogate lobbyist.

More importantly, smart CEOs recruit friends for the board who support you in good and bad times.
post #85 of 122
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Originally Posted by keyboard View Post

This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Apple is now the most valuable company in the world - but somehow the board needs to mix things up, and start playing a greater role in the running of the company?

A recipe for disaster.

Apple didn't get to where it is due to a meddling, over-involved BOD.

The Board needs to offer all it's support to Tim and his team, and then stand back and refrain from fucking things up.

Perfectly stated
post #86 of 122
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Originally Posted by enzomedici View Post

....he's completely useless and detracts from the Apple brand. Why this idiot was elected to the board is beyond me. You can count this as one of Steve Jobs' failures.

Given Jobs' track record I would have to respectfully disagree. Plus you didn't even point out why he's a bad fit. Clearly the Apple Stock has been doing well since he's been on the board. So why would they get rid of board members who are doing a good job for their investors?
post #87 of 122
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Originally Posted by keyboard View Post

This is the dumbest shit I've ever heard.

Apple is now the most valuable company in the world - but somehow the board needs to mix things up, and start playing a greater role in the running of the company?

A recipe for disaster.

Apple didn't get to where it is due to a meddling, over-involved BOD.

The Board needs to offer all it's support to Tim and his team, and then stand back and refrain from fucking things up.

Agreed

Didnt go to well last time they brought in outsider - Scully
"Healthy Tension" thats what Jobs and Scully had but wasnt too healthy for the company.

Maybe Tim can "Cook" as well as Jobs - Give the man a Chance
post #88 of 122
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

I admit up front, I don't know much about business. But what does someone like Al Gore bring to the Apple Board of Directors?

Peace from Washington.

Seriously, when you're the most valuable & most profitable game out there, you're going to be in a lot people's cross-hairs.
We can only speculate how many politicians have considered whether Apple needs to be relieved of their "windfall profits".
post #89 of 122
Trust Steve. He hand picked Tim Cook. Let Tim run and see what happens. And look...
A secretive "Apple University" program that the company initiated in 2008 has been clarified to be a way to teach executives to emulate and perpetuate the successful strategies of Steve Jobs.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...teve_jobs.html Seems like the thinking is to create more Steves rather than more committees. Steve did team. But he managed them and didn't let them get in the way of the vision. And the vision was holistic--it was technology+business.

I can see why they'd not want to "Trust the board" with Al Global Warming Gore there.
post #90 of 122
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Originally Posted by newssource View Post

Agreed

Didnt go to well last time they brought in outsider - Scully
"Healthy Tension" thats what Jobs and Scully had but wasnt too healthy for the company.

Maybe Tim can "Cook" as well as Jobs - Give the man a Chance

Actually, the last time Apple brought in an outsider [executive] is when Amelio got Apple to buy NeXT...
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post #91 of 122
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Well, if board members would have a say in such things (don't know if they do), the environment pages on every product of Apple's.

And having a Mac Pro with a PSU 89% efficient is certainly better than a PSU with no consideration therefor.

Honestly, do you really think it took having Al Global Warming Gore on the board for Steve to see the wisdom in that? Gore was there for image, pure and simple. (And as somebody else mentioned, Steve put him there because he'd support Steve.)
post #92 of 122
All these industry well wishers for Jobs are bullish***ers!
We all know that Apple is a thorn in the a** of the tech industry. They do their stuff to good. The products work damn near flawlessly. The haters want Apple destroyed so they can sell us crap that has a 72 hour shelf life without having Apple around to serve up a competing product we could carry for a year or more without upgrading.
At the end of the day Wall Street will gut Apple like a fish and it will be the the bloodiest destruction of a company in history.
Unless Apple goes private.
post #93 of 122
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Originally Posted by drandel View Post

Trust Steve. He hand picked Tim Cook. Let Tim run and see what happens. And look...
A secretive "Apple University" program that the company initiated in 2008 has been clarified to be a way to teach executives to emulate and perpetuate the successful strategies of Steve Jobs.
http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...teve_jobs.html Seems like the thinking is to create more Steves rather than more committees. Steve did team. But he managed them and didn't let them get in the way of the vision. And the vision was holistic--it was technology+business.

I can see why they'd not want to "Trust the board" with Al Global Warming Gore there.

A decent post ruined by a stupid last-sentence potshot. Take some acid and maybe you'll get it. Maybe.
post #94 of 122
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Originally Posted by drandel View Post

Honestly, do you really think it took having Al Global Warming Gore on the board for Steve to see the wisdom in that? Gore was there for image, pure and simple. (And as somebody else mentioned, Steve put him there because he'd support Steve.)

Steve already knew it in 1970 thereabouts. Refer to his statements about The Whole Earth Catalog in his commencement speech. Educate yourself about the counterculture in the 60s and 70s. That is one good thing 'baked into Apple's DNA' whether you like it or not.

Edit: John Markoff's book is essential for understanding why our computers are the way they are now. Will you read it? I wonder.

http://www.amazon.com/What-Dormouse-...tt_at_ep_dpt_1
post #95 of 122
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

I admit up front, I don't know much about business. But what does someone like Al Gore bring to the Apple Board of Directors?

One could ask a similar question about every member of the board.
post #96 of 122
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Originally Posted by drandel View Post

Trust Steve. He hand picked Tim Cook....

...I can see why they'd not want to "Trust the board" with Al Global Warming Gore there.

Keep in mind that Al was also hand picked... One of only 7 people in the world that Steve trusted enough to put on the Board.

Regardless of how you feel about his politics, this has to speak for something.
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post #98 of 122
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Originally Posted by bcode View Post

Keep in mind that Al was also hand picked... One of only 7 people in the world that Steve trusted enough to put on the Board.

Regardless of how you feel about his politics, this has to speak for something.

Further, I personally watched how trusted BOD member Art Levinson turned
Genentech into a $100B combine using his own dedication, charisma, and respect
among his propeller-head reports. Levinson is no slouch and indeed groks
the Jobs philosophy.
post #99 of 122
apple has no steve jobs anymore, but it still has 5 or 6 (or more) better leaders than most companies will ever have. 'if it's not broke don't fix it'. steve jobs loss was unmeasurable but the new scenario has been long in planning.

more than 7 board members is not in the best interests of apple and its modus operandi. there will always be 1 or 2 who are not perfect but it's not a perfect world. try sitting around a board meeting with 12 or 15 members chiming in. total disarray!

not that he's steve jobs, but does anybody think that jeff bezos has to clear his actions?

finally, imo, there are new apple products in the pipeline that will surprise the competition.
post #100 of 122
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Originally Posted by Curmudgeon View Post

I admit up front, I don't know much about business. But what does someone like Al Gore bring to the Apple Board of Directors?

He was vice president of the country during it's most prosperous times in recent decades.

Plus I heard he invented the internet
post #101 of 122
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Why do you open the post with contrariness, only to repeat the points previously made?


Never mind. Your motivations are both off-topic and not important.

If anything, you should appreciate his great great metaphor
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post #102 of 122
"Business as usual, or time for a change?" .... mmmm let me think about this for a second ...
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post #103 of 122
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Originally Posted by kellya74u View Post

Hp's recently available, former CEO Leo Apotheker, would bring a whole new vision to Apple, & may just be what Apple needs to free itself from the closed, limited thinking of Steve Jobs. Apple would benefit from the new perspectives Leo could offer in terms of 'thinking outside the box,' copying vs innovation, & streamlining the Apple operations i.e. killing off such products like the Mac Air as a waste of aluminum, replacing them with a lower-cost plastic counterpart. After all, that's why plastic was invented, to make our lives better. How could Steve have been so clueless & self-indulgent to lead Apple in the wrong direction for so many years?

Yes, new blood & vision of people who think like Leo will set Apple on a new course. The first order of business would be to dismantle the Apple University that teaches employees Steve's success of visionary strategies. Otherwise, you would have an entire company of workers that would be fighting the 'New Apple' leaders who would proclaim a new message, of "that was then, this is now, either get on board or your out, as we are innovating an entire new business model." Any failures of the new company would be blamed on those employees who refused to change & 'just didn't get it.'

We don't need no stinkin' HP has been. The new course Leo would set is to the outhouse.
post #104 of 122
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Originally Posted by Doctor David View Post

He was vice president of the country during it's most prosperous times in recent decades.

Plus I heard he invented the internet

I'm sure you are well aware of the facts and are being humorous but sadly many I come across that parrot this twisting of the truth don't know the difference between the world wide web and the internet .

Again for the record, didn't say "invented" but said "he took the initiative in creating" which was a reference to the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Pe...on_Act_of_1991

BTW I avoid politics on this blog but this is in direct reference to the history of computing as we know it today and therefor IMHO relevant here.
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post #105 of 122
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Originally Posted by digitalclips View Post

I'm sure you are well aware of the facts and are being humorous but sadly many I come across that parrot this twisting of the truth don't know the difference between the world wide web and the internet .

Again for the record, didn't say "invented" but said "he took the initiative in creating" which was a reference to the High Performance Computing and Communication Act of 1991. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Pe...on_Act_of_1991

BTW I avoid politics on this blog but this is in direct reference to the history of computing as we know it today and therefor IMHO relevant here.

Your assumption is correct.
Good post.
post #106 of 122
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Companies like Apple exist to generate shareholder value.

Wallstreet exists to "generate shareholder value". Companies with any integrity exist to provide customers with quality products or services, with profits following only as a secondary reason.

Obviously profit is important, but the fastest way to become mediocre is to focus on it alone, which some companies appear to do. Jobs did not create Apple, nor return to it, just because of profit. He wanted to "change the world". And that he did.
post #107 of 122
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Originally Posted by 4fx View Post

Companies with any integrity exist to provide customers with quality products or services, with profits following only as a secondary reason.

Is that why huge Hedge Funds invest in Apple? Get real.
post #108 of 122
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Wallstreet exists to "generate shareholder value". Companies with any integrity exist to provide customers with quality products or services, with profits following only as a secondary reason.

Obviously profit is important, but the fastest way to become mediocre is to focus on it alone, which some companies appear to do. Jobs did not create Apple, nor return to it, just because of profit. He wanted to "change the world". And that he did.

You are right. ConradJoe is just being his old self, wrong.
post #109 of 122
Do not F with it, Boards and Wall Street screwed up too many companies. Job and Apple were successful because they told the Business types and Wall Street to go F themselves and they know how to do their business and what is good for the customer. If Apple listen to the Board or Walls street they would be more worried about inventory turns and earing ratios than making good products.

Apple does not need a strong board to shake things up or create tension, just leave as it is, be advisers to make sure they thing things through and let them people in the company run the company
post #110 of 122
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Originally Posted by izacmann View Post

What better young visionary is out there who could continue the innovation that Steve Jobs has started?

I think Mr. Z should be a member of the board of directors and be given an opportunity to Chair one day. He is brilliant and tenacious and creative and ruthless and innovative and........

Zuck? Visionary? Na, he got lucky a few ears ago and hit a homerun. I vote Elon Musk.
post #111 of 122
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Apple is a huge corporation, and it exists to generate profits. It is not a shrine. It is not a club. It is not a lifestyle or a fashion statement.

Apple makes profits by being a lifestyle and a fashion statement, and much more. Most companies don't realise the little things make a difference.

The best thing Apple can do is try to keep doing what it's been doing for over 10 years. Not try to 'shake things up'.
post #112 of 122
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Originally Posted by izacmann View Post

What better young visionary is out there who could continue the innovation that Steve Jobs has started?

I think Mr. Z should be a member of the board of directors and be given an opportunity to Chair one day. He is brilliant and tenacious and creative and ruthless and innovative and........

Please God please please let that not happen ever.

We want people from the Light side, not from the dark side alrightee?!?!

Goofy smartypants LOL-type ideas, with all due respect, is what Apple does NOT need at any point in time.

It needs experience, it needs calm perseverance DEEP thinking individuals, not lucky strike guys.

And remember that the suggestion must be in view of a non-executive specific position.
post #113 of 122
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Originally Posted by GregAlexander View Post

Apple makes profits by being a lifestyle and a fashion statement, and much more. Most companies don't realise the little things make a difference.

The best thing Apple can do is try to keep doing what it's been doing for over 10 years. Not try to 'shake things up'.

You're right!

Apple did strike gold big time when it started bringing out lifestyle/fashion statement products AND kept doing it, even improving, on the engineering/design function side.

It all started with the color iBooks and iMacs, it was not out of chance. The aluminum PowerBook/ MacBook Pro. The Cube. The silver MacBook Pro. The silver iMac. The iPhone. The aluminum machined MacBook Pro. The iPad.

And in the future the Apple 50" HDTV which won't be a TV anymore.

Jobs second coming had fashion statement / lifestyle strategy all over.

Good for us!
post #114 of 122
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Originally Posted by Maestro64 View Post

Do not F with it, Boards ... screwed up too many companies. ...Apple were successful because they told the Business types

Steve Jobs was the Chairman of the Board of the largest publicly traded megacorporation in the world.


Steve Jobs was a legendary Business Type.


Why do you feel the need to act like these are not facts?
post #115 of 122
I say promote one of the senior designers at Apple. It's a design company, they need to keep it that way.

What else is left besides faster, lighter, holograms, Apple satellites in space? We could be plateauing in tech, so keep it easy to use, virus free, and cool.

poured a beer for Mr. Jobs today
post #116 of 122
Whatever they do there not going to have a replacement for Steve, the same way as Microsoft hasn't and won't ever have a replacement for Bill.

The problem isn't that they don't have talented people, but having another person with that vision and passion just isn't availiable. There busy starting there own companies and will have their own seperate legacy.

Apple will continue to make money and decent products. But I think the magic will slowly die as products get released that Steve would have sent back to the drawing board. When the next CEO talks, the employees won't be listening like they listened to Steve. Steve was there leader, anyone else now is just there current leader.
post #117 of 122
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Interesting. Name a few giant megacorporations like Apple where the BOD has no legal power to replace the CEO.

"Power" and "authority" may well be two very different things in certain contexts.
post #118 of 122
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

The owners of Apple, the Hedge Funds and Pension Plans, will decide how Apple WILL work. They will do it by appointing a BOD.

Apple is a huge corporation, and it exists to generate profits. It is not a shrine. It is not a club. It is not a lifestyle or a fashion statement.

The big moneyed Wall Street interests can and will decide the direction that their investment will take. Its nothing different than, say, Dow Chemical or Exxon Mobil. The people who play armchair CEO are ignored. Corp[orations obey the Golden Rule: Them that got the gold make the rules.


Then All Is Lost.
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Originally Posted by albeniz View Post

Then All Is Lost.

Hoping you're not serious, but if you are, you've been led astray by the new number one nattering nabob of negativity around here.
post #120 of 122
I would liken the board right now to someone standing on a landmine. If they make one wrong move the whole thing blows up on them and wall street gets spooked and the stock tumbles. My guess is they let the forumla keep working until it runs out of steam and doesn't work anymore before they adjust anything. I'm sure you will get one or two that want to be the big hero or the next Jobs and cause a stir but really if it ain't broke I don't think anyone will tinker with it.
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