Google, T-Mobile petition ITC to allow Android to freely infringe Apple's iOS - Page 2

They asked the ITC not to ban Android devices even if Android is found to infringe Apple's intellectual property. Isn't that effectively the same thing?

I'm at the point where i hate google. Too bad they have the best search engine and i can not ditch them.

Google is right, people. Competition benefits the consumers. But where they're wrong is in asking the ITC to not do their job when it comes to infringement. Infringing others' IP does not qualify as competition, simple as that.

"Freely infringe IP"

That's such a blanket term nowadays...everyone everywhere infringes on some form of IP...

And Android hardly infringes on iOS or whatever but some vague patents are sure violated like the fact that if an email has a link/phone number/email address in it it is automatically hyperlinked...MY GOD STOP THE PRESSES THEY ARE STEALING!!!!!!

Dude...I don't know which is more convoluted - your sentence structures/spelling or your Android history lesson?

what is wrong with the history in his post?

I'm on a site where people have said Android's notification panel is a rip off of WebOS's so forgive me if I want some clarity.

You misspelled "Google stole Java from Oracle and is about to get their butts kicked because of it".


You misspelled "Google has gone out its way to make Android copy as many things as possible from iOS". You also failed to mention that many of the Android devices are incredibly blatant copies of Apple products.


This is, of course, silly revisionism. Android had an appearance and look and feel similar to Blackberry - right up to the date that the iPhone was released. Then suddenly, it started to look like iOS. Similarly, Android phones looked like Blackberries until the iPhone came out - and suddenly most Android phones look just like iPhones.


They want ITC to eliminate the strongest penalty against Android phones - which amounts to nearly the same thing.


It's Conradjoe. Of course he's just blowing smoke. Nearly 600 posts and I'm still waiting for him to back up a single statement that he's made.

http://androidandme.com/2011/06/news...d-lock-screen/

so yeah.........

No. There are an infinite number of other remedies that can be imposed other than the narrow exclusions that were asked for.

Money damages come to mind, as does a temporary stay of the injunction. They never asked for compete immunity.

hey now, according to people here...Apple merely absorbed WebOS (whom Android somehow copied).

Yes...that has actually been said -___-

Guilty before a judgement is made?...of course!!...they aren't Apple.

Besides, even if they did use the code (FROM SUN not Oracle btw, Oracle BOUGHT Sun - who didn't mind the code usage) then decided to sue...in fact Oracle went and terminated/altered plenty of open projects Sun use to support...hence why openoffice is now libreoffice (stupid name).

Google never infringed upon Oracle, Oracle saw success and acted in the interest of their wallets.




Let me know what parts of Android the OS are like iOS...I'll be waiting...also if today phone maker A modifies Android to look and act EXACTLY like iOS...that is not Google's fault...and you know that...sooo.



This is pretty much what he just said...also no Android phone in it's early stages looked anything like an iPhone other than being mostly full touch screen with icons. The only phones that look remotely iPhone like are some models of Samsung Galaxy phones.

Also from it's inception Android was meant for many form factors and hardware styles...they also had a prototype that was all touch way back when the blackberry style version was around...conveniently people here always seem to miss that.

Twins???:



Not at all.



Not at all. "Since he can't get the death penalty you're pretty much setting him free." see how stupid it sounds in another context?



like what...we'll be waiting.

T-Mobile was surely very cautious in the wording they used and in the arguments they selected. Parallels can be drawn to the impending AT&T/T-Mobile takeover regarding competition, consumer choice and ideas related to monopolies. It will be interesting to see not only how this plays out, but if it somehow plays into the litigation involved with the merger. If anything I am sure that the arguments Google presents will help bolster the DOJ and Sprint's defense in the merger suits.

Get offa my dik, Ragosta.

Unless you're obsessed, which you might be. In which case, please carry on.

Funny how they never mention that Apple applied for a patent on this technology before Android even existed.


What a stupid argument. Oracle owns the code and doesn't allow Google to use it, so Google stole from Oracle.


First, banning imports is not the death penalty. Google will survive - as will Samsung and HTC.

Furthermore, ITC doesn't really have any options other than "ban" or "don't ban". So if they don't ban an obvious infringer, then they no longer have any options.

That is my POV stealing is wrong be it by us of by them!!!

So Apple patented Android's notification system yet never implemented it before Android existed (before 2005, which is when it was bought, not made)?



Google can't steal from someone who didn't own what they were allowed to use at the time they used it. Infringe? sure...steal? Literally impossible.

Also, I wonder if you realize that you just admitted that you believe patent trolls are not trolls and are 100% just in what they do. lol...


GO LODSYS!!!!!

But there are other options...just like "kill" or "let walk free" aren't the only two options in a murder conviction.




Also you never commented on the "Twin OSes" that I posted above...

I think this question of yours pretty much sum up your utter lack of rationality. Yes, of course they are guilty "before judgement (sic) is made". Guilt doesn't depend on judgment, it's entirely independent of judgment. Just because the U.S. legal system declares that there is a presumption of innocence, doesn't mean that one's guilt is like Schrodinger's cat and indeterminate until judgment is made.

They're guilty, everyone knows it, and their entire legal strategy is based on finding or creating some sort of loophole to nullify their guilt. But you are so completely and habitually lacking in the smallest amount of honesty, intellectual and general, that you come here day after day to engage in acts of transparent sophistry that reflect only the pettiness and emptiness of your own soul and what must be the utter misery of the life that is yours.

So sad, really, that there are people like you in the world.

Why are they guilty again? Oh yea. They stole Java which is open source from a company that said they were happy to have them on board then said company was bought by oracle and oracle decided to sue.

Also, since all of your posts are blindly rabidly hate filled when you speak to me do me a favor and don't speak to me.

Actually, I get by just fine with Yahoo or Bing. Only rarely do I have a search that I have to resort to Google.


Funny how you distort the facts to further your agenda.

Oracle owns the technology. Google does not have a license to use the technology. That's all that's relevant. The fact that someone else might have let them use the technology in the past is completely irrelevant - unless their license to use it is permanent.

Furthermore, Google didn't have a license from Sun, either. Sun offered Google a license and Google declined:
http://www.cio.com/article/686573/Go...or_100_Million

So again. Patent trolls are fine?

Anyways you are the same people who think Android looks like iOS, Android copied notifications from WebOS, HTC devices look like iPhones and a plethora of other easily falsifiable claims.

Either way oracle is in it for the money.

And lol @ you losers abandoning all things Google because you really think you work for Apple and Steve was your homeboy

But anyways. Who will you hate next now that Steve's light is extinguished? You must feel so cold now that the usher of your soul and mind is non existent.

Since when are Oracle and Sun patent trolls? And even if they were, U.S. patent law allows you to sue someone under a patent even if you don't use it in your own products.



Seeing as how Apple's first patent applications on notifications predate Android, your story doesn't ring true (just like your claim that Sun was OK with Google using Java - even though it only took me a second to find an article showing that Sun tried to sell Google rights to use Java and Google refused).

Furthermore, there are big differences. The idea of notifications is an old one and has been around for many, many years. The look and feel of iOS is proprietary. Look at many of the icons that Android uses - those are near exact copies of Apple's icons - just as one example.


So? What's wrong with wanting to make money off of technologies that you own? It's OK for Google to steal it because Oracle only wants to make money with it????

Even more importantly, Sun offered Google a license for $100 K and Google refused. Does THAT make it OK for Google to steal the technology? (and, based on those facts, just how in the world could you possibly reach the conclusion that Sun was OK with Google doing so?)


I dislike criminals. It has nothing to do with Jobs or anyone else. Google has shown an incredible disdain for anyone's intellectual property but their own. I started to really dislike them when they started copying every printed work they could get their hands on it and wanted to sell access on the Internet - without having the authors' permission. They're a dishonest company and I refuse to support them.

It's really interesting that for a Google phandroid like you, it all comes down to personalities, while I (as well as most Apple users I know) have specific reasons for the things we do. Seems to me that it's not the Apple fans who are drinking Kool-aid.

Are you citing notifications or are you saying pull down notification. First its pretty obvious that apple did steal the implementation of the pulldown notification from googles build of Android. Good thing for apple they stole it from google a company that does not really care what you do to its IP that is opensource. Pretty clear that iOS did steal it from android. But then again apple does not steal ip. They don't infringe on any of the patents that are held by nokia, nothing to do with basic cell phone technology that is required for the production of the iPhone. Apple did not lose that so called lawsuit did they? (/Sarcasm)

Lots of things are 'obvious' when you don't bother to educate yourself.

First, have you read Apple's patents on notifications? I didn't think so.

Second, does Google have a patent on notifications? I didn't think so.

Finally, the Nokia thing is a red herring. It's pretty clear what happened. Apple was willing to pay FRAND from the start (which is all that Nokia is legally able to charge). Nokia asked for more - they wanted Apple to give up its own intellectual property rights IN ADDITION to paying FRAND. That position is not allowed by FRAND rules. Apple objected. In the end, Apple agreed to pay FRAND and Nokia dropped the other claims.

So what did Apple do wrong (other than failing to simply roll over and let competitors steal their IP)?

Show us Apple's patent on pull down notifications please.


Not the point, but not shocked you missed it.


Apple has lost many IP infringement cases...oops sorry I mean, APPLE ARE DIRTY CRIMINALS JUST LIKE GOOGLE THOSE BASTARDS STEALING!!!!!! (sorry if I messed up, I'm pretty bad at being as dramatic as you are)


lol, you're so amazingly fanboyish it's scary.

Can you tell me just 3 things Apple has done "wrong" in the past 5 years?

Here's my take. Apple needs to defend as much as they can....but not too much. The issue is that Samsung holds some VERY strong patents. I'm sorry, but if Samsung played this game then iPhones would NOT exist. Or at least in a very DIFFERENT form. All companies have patents of some sort.

Remember when the PS3 launched with NO rumble in it's jungle because SOMEONE didn't want to pay the patent fees? Yeah, imagine if every manufactruer did this. So many issues would be out there it's crazy.

I think it's perposterous to thing that Apple should have all these patents and no one else should. I think Apple is just scared of reverting back to the 90s. Too many copycats will destroy your business.

Samsung is a LARGE company....LARGER than Apple. Apple has yet to be the number one manufactruer of TVs. Or a top tier dishwasher/dryer maker. Or make remarkable standalone cameras. Yes, they have infiringed on somethings and those need to be addressed. But we can't play this game much longer. It stifles innovation.

I honestly want to see a Super AMOLED Retina display!

My point...yet I recall people talking pretty badly about Lodsys when they were simply defending their IP :-/

Why can't they just defend their IP from these criminals?





So Apple patented pull down notifications and a) never implemented it until year 5 of the iPhone and b) never sued Android over it despite the many ongoing cases?


Show me the icons that Android has that iOS has (and by Android I mean Android...i.e. stock)


Again, it's okay for all these devs and small companies to steal Lodsys's IP because Lodsys is just in it for the money?


Hmmm, how could I possibly come up with that? How did such a thing even cross my mind...hmmm...oh yea.

Because Sun's CEO pretty much said so. Also again, steal is the wrong word...but you don't care.




yea okay...too much irony for today.

I hear the Nexus Prime (and later Samsung phones) will have a 4.65in display at 1280 x 720 with 320ppi

Yeah, I've been waiting for it. But Samsung hasn't revealed anything yet *(thanks for canceling!) and I'm in desperate need for a phone.

yea...truthbetold, what I've seen of Android 4.0 doesn't impress me that much...then again I've never really liked stock Android especially as far as looks go (and ICS is a step in the right direction nonetheless). If I wasn't a modder I'd either have an OEM skinned device or an iPhone.

Once an in depth preview of Android 4.0 is done I may be warmed up to it but right now it's meh. Better...but not great.

Can't wait to see what the Dr. Moreau esque Xiaomi does with their MIUI on Android 4.0 though.

Yeah that's a bit Orwellian. Keep your hands of my Droid, thanks. It can do tons of stuff even iPhone 4S with iOS can NOT do. Stuff I like. Like Flash. I can do things you are not allowed to do because Apple said so. Freedom of the market..what? How is yanking an open source OS from the market freedom of the market?

To be honest, though...flash just isn't cutting it for me. I use the Youtube app on my phone more than youtube.com itself. First, my phone (though it's a 4'' screen) just doesn't do well with flash embedded sites. I'd rather have a custom site/app for my phone (like iPhone). After all, I'm on a phone...not a tablet or laptop.

Second...while I love the "freedom", it's a mess. There is no way that when I got my Galaxy S last year I would have so many problems (Netflix app wasn't compatiblie at first, Samsung updates suck).

Don't get me wrong, I love android. Especially with it's google integration. But we're not getting Infinty Blade and countless other apps. Not when there's a processor war going on withIN the phones.

I love Galaxy S phones the best. Ironically, they're the cloest thing to the iPhone out there. I hate HTC phones. My mom has as Nexus S....and while it's a great phone (NFC FTW!) it's uterly boring on stock.

Yep. If they are found guilty, simply change the bad bits and it is all good. Hell agree to change them now and the whole fight is over.

We could discover that the courts and ITC don't agree with your view of the matter. And in the end those are the folks with the power.

Sure. They have patented a lot of things they never used. But let others have a go at it.

Or they may feel that such a system is too obvious to be deserving of a patent or even licensed it from Google.

Who really knows.

Hi, can you please post the proof of this? Thanks

Touchwhiz is visually a step up from stock and the later iterations are less iOS like but it's oddly inconsistent (may have been a layover from stock) the color scheme etc is bothersome at times.

Also, Google needs to at least mandate icon and notification icon appearance. Some third party apps are atrocities of design even if the app itself is useful. Another thing I absolutely LOVE about iOS (and another post the iPhanboys will not see when they say I'm rabidly anti Apple again)

Well, yes, i'm sure you'd be very happy if no one pointed out what a weasilly liar you are. Apparently you can't construct a single sentence without misrepresenting facts.

Tell me that again. That's why I wanna at least try iOS for a wittle bit. Some apps have killed half my battery life!

Also, you're on the internet. On a forum. This things are bound to happen. I got banned from a few forums myself. Don't go to android forums anywhere if you are an iOS owner/fan (heck, don't be a Samsung fan going into an HTC forum.....I know:P).

Yes, twins.