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AT&T announces record 200,000 iPhone 4S pre-orders in first 12 hours

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AT&T, Apple's original wireless carrier partner for the iPhone, announced on Friday that it had received more than 200,000 pre-orders for the iPhone 4S in the first 12 hours on offer, making it the most successful iPhone launch ever for the company.

The carrier said in a statement that it had seen "extraordinary demand" for Apple's new smartphone. "It's obvious customers like AT&T's 4G network, which is the only one that lets their iPhone download twice as fast and talk and surf simultaneously," the company wrote.

However, AT&T's claim is subject to some dispute. According to an alleged leak earlier Friday, the company is "working with Apple" to change the network indicator for the iPhone 4S on its network to read 4G. "Since iPhone 4S is an HSPA+ device, our customers will get 4G speeds from day one. Only AT&T has this unique network advantage," the document read.

Though Apple added a faster 14.4Mbps download capabilities to the iPhone 4S, AT&T is not actually set up to take full advantage of those faster HSDPA speeds. AT&T said in a public document last month that "current HSDPA devices commonly support peak rates of 3.6 or 7.2 Mbps, though typical user rates are lower than this."

It has been reported that AT&T is claiming the iPhone 4S is an HSPA+ and 4G device on a technicality. TiPB's Rene Ritchie has noted that devices must simply support "any 3GPP release 7 feature" to be classified as HSPA+. Since the Qualcomm chipset found in the iPhone 4S uses 3GPP features, it technically counts as an HSPA+ radio, despite the fact that the handset can't reach the 21Mbps HSPA+ speeds that had been rumored to arrive on the device.

Both AT&T and T-Mobile have sometimes advertised their HSPA+ networks as having 4G speeds, though the Long-Term Evolution is widely accepted as the 'true' 4G network.



Given that pre-orders for the iPhone 4S were also offered on Sprint and Verizon, Apple is expected to have smashed previous records for the iPhone set last year.

Last year's iPhone 4 launch exceeded the previous iPhone 3GS demand by a factor of 10, causing a meltdown of AT&T's systems.

In fact, AT&T experienced its own problems this year, as well. A number of AppleInsider readers reported being unable to successfully complete pre-orders when they began at midnight on Friday. Also, both Apple and AT&T were late in initiating pre-orders for the iPhone 4S.

The iPhone 4S goes on sale on Oct. 14 in the U.S., Australia, Canada, France, Germany, Japan, and the U.K. The handset, unveiled by Apple on Tuesday, features the A5 processor, an 8-megapixel camera, an new antenna design and Siri voice recognition technology.
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I have insider info that "hundreds" of iPhones will be delivered to each ATT retail store. I wonder how many stores there are? I had hoped to walk in on Friday and pick one up, but they may all be bespoke at this point. Oh well, I can wait a bit longer.
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And.... now they show 14-21 days for delivery. I ordered 2 around 4am Eastern, but I want to order 1 more.

Oh, and those two iPhones I ordered -- they're showing up as "Back Ordered".
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I have a simple solution ...

Change the indicator to "HSPA+" when using that network protocol. I think to call it 4G is stretching the truth a bit. The rest should be left to AT&T to begin an ad campaign to educate users regarding the advantages of HSPA+.
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AT&T, Apple's original wireless carrier partner for the iPhone, announced on Friday that it had received more than 200,000 pre-orders for the iPhone 4S in the first 12 hours on offer, making it the most successful iPhone 4S launch ever for the company.

just how many iPhone 4S launches have they had?
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Simply awesome!
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This is their eighth - if you don't count the first twenty-three that they had...

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just how many iPhone 4S launches have they had?
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This is their eighth - if you don't count the first twenty-three that they had...

8th iPhone 4S? Sure not but iPhone most certainly
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just how many iPhone 4S launches have they had?

Gotta love AI!

But they fixed it after you posted, which may be a first for them.
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Obviously, these number is at the expense of other countries. UK waiting time the last time I check is 1-2 weeks.
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Apple is doomed.

Seriously, in anybody surprised?!
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And Sprint is now sold out of all 16 GB iPhone 4S's.

Apple once again kicking ass!, proving all of the naysayers, trolls and Debbie Downers wrong!
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Apple is doomed.

Seriously, in anybody surprised?!

Not me but AAPL should be through the firkin' roof ... \
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Gotta love AI!

But they fixed it after you posted, which may be a first for them.

So they did. I suddenly feel so much more powerful...
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And Sprint is now sold out of all 16 GB iPhone 4S's.

Apple once again kicking ass!, proving all of the naysayers, trolls and Debbie Downers wrong!

And they are doing it with an old look which is using that stupid and fatuous external antenna design. Won't they ever learn¡
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24 Countries and 100 carriers later, people better chill out and realize that tens of millions of customers to be and presently want this phone.
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And they are doing it with an old look which is using that stupid and fatuous external antenna design. Won't they ever learn¡

I, honestly, can't wait for Consumer Reports review.
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And Sprint is now sold out of all 16 GB iPhone 4S's.

Apple once again kicking ass!, proving all of the naysayers, trolls and Debbie Downers wrong!

I am very interested in Sprint's sales numbers for a variety of reasons. I am sure they will release them over the next couple of weeks.
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***Sigh***

My sarcasm was obviously not detected...

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8th iPhone 4S? Sure not but iPhone most certainly
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post #20 of 87
Apparently 200,000 liked the old design.

In hindsight, the redesign rumour was very silly. For example, the aluminum case wouldn't have worked unless their was a plastic area for signal (like the iPad and iPod touch). It seems unlikely now that Apple would move away from the external antenna design. I think Gruber might be right: future iPhones will look very similar to the iPhone 4. The display will stay the same size. They might get thinner if they can figure out how to do the camera optics. The material used for the back might change. The touch sensitive button might be real iPhone 5 feature. But really, if you accept that this is how Apple is going to do the antenna going forward and that they have no interest in making the display bigger, it doesn't seem like the design can change dramatically going forward.
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This is great news.
I hope the negative commentators will read this and hide their heads in shame.
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Not me but AAPL should be through the firkin' roof ... \

Patience. Patience.

Much of tech has been in a funk lately.
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I think Gruber might be right: future iPhones will look very similar to the iPhone 4. The display will stay the same size.

I don't know what kind of hard drugs that person does nor do I really care, but that's the same guy who predicted an iPad 3 with a September 2011 release.

I found it shocking that there were so many stupid people around who actually believed that one.

Even though the current iPhone 4 and 4S design is great, Apple is not going to stick with it forever. The iPhone 5 will be a redesign. And that's my prediction.
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I wonder how much emotion is driving a bit of extra sales as a form of paying a sort of tribute to Steve. I know that I felt something tweak when ordering the iPhone 4s... here's raising my credit card to you one last time Mr Jobs sort of thing.

In retrospect, he probably knew what he was doing with the iPhone 4s. I'm personally happy that the form factor has settled down and that the quality dimensions are just being pushed further and further. Good luck on avoiding another MobileMe cloud disaster with iOS5 though!
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The 4G race is further muddied by the fact that the International Telecommunications Union has specified that actual 4G standards must reach 100 Mbps mobile broadband speeds, which won't reach widespread adoption for several years.


The ITU announced in December 2010 that WiMax, LTE, and HSPA+ are 4G technologies.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/ITU-s...lly-4G_id15435
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That's good, if not surprising news. Things were really sketchy while trying to pre-order an ATT 16GB last night, so I figured there was a large number of people attempting to do the same. Well, that, or ATT's typical incompetence.

But once you combine ATT, Verizon, and Sprint, I think it will end up being a "they are selling them as quickly as they can make them" type of situation. It's just funny that after all the whining about the 4S, it will prove to be quite successful.

I think people like me, who are upgrading from a 3GS, will be especially pleased. I know that I can't wait for Wednesday and then Friday. Next week will be very exciting!
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The ITU announced in December 2010 that WiMax, LTE, and HSPA+ are 4G technologies.

http://www.phonearena.com/news/ITU-s...lly-4G_id15435

Thanks for the correction!
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I don't know what kind of hard drugs that person does nor do I really care, but that's the same guy who predicted an iPad 3 with a September 2011 release.

I found it shocking that there were so many stupid people around who actually believed that one.

Even though the current iPhone 4 and 4S design is great, Apple is not going to stick with it forever. The iPhone 5 will be a redesign. And that's my prediction.

He didn't really predict it. He repeatedly said it was pure speculation. His track record is pretty good.
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And to think what that number might have been had not the iPhone 4s been labeled a dud by some talking heads and fellow posters that complained 16 months for the same phone with just a speed bump, better camera and a talking assistant! Those numbers, I bet, would have been mind boggling!
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Re-reading the announcement is entertaining already. Can we point and mock?
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post #31 of 87
I guess this is what failure looks like. Man... I would sure LOVE to be a failure by the trolls definition.
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Re-reading the announcement is entertaining already. Can we point and mock?

They need to add a specific "Point-and-Mock" smiley.
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I guess this is what failure looks like. Man... I would sure LOVE to be a failure by the trolls definition.

Right?! If AT&T has 200k pre-orders with a great many iPhone 4 users waiting a month or so before they can order at upgrade pricing how much do the other carriers add to that total plus the other 6(?) countries' carriers?
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HSPA + is 4G. So, on AT&T and T-Mobile's networks the iPhone is a 4G phone. Apple pretty much said as much at its presentation by saying it didn't want to get into classification (being aware of the competing technologies), but it ran as fast or faster then all the other phones claiming to be 4G.

As stated in a previous conversation, there are multiple protocols that qualify as 4G. That is why T-Mobile claims to run a 4G network. I hate AT&T, but it is not lying. Verizon and Sprint aren't calling AT&T and T-Mobile liars.

Now if AT&T can't actually deliver the speeds it is claiming, it should be fined for fraud, but the phone itself is a 4G phone when operated on an HSPA network.

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I have a simple solution ...

Change the indicator to "HSPA+" when using that network protocol. I think to call it 4G is stretching the truth a bit. The rest should be left to AT&T to begin an ad campaign to educate users regarding the advantages of HSPA+.
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HSPA + is 4G. So, on AT&T and T-Mobile's networks the iPhone is a 4G phone. Apple pretty much said as much at its presentation by saying it didn't want to get into classification (being aware of the competing technologies), but it ran as fast or faster then all the other phones claiming to be 4G.

As stated in a previous conversation, there are multiple protocols that qualify as 4G. That is why T-Mobile claims to run a 4G network. I hate AT&T, but it is not lying. Verizon and Sprint aren't calling AT&T and T-Mobile liars.

Now if AT&T can't actually deliver the speeds it is claiming, it should be fined for fraud, but the phone itself is a 4G phone when operated on an HSPA network.

But only when it's connected to towers that are using HSPA+, which does make AT&T's request for '4G' label in the Menu Bar reasonable. I think AT&T will get their wish because this helps Apple sell more iPhones against an ever increasing slew of devices with '4G' in their name.

I would think next year is likely when LTE will be added to the mix. Will Sprint be upgrading to LTE within the next year?
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I dont care whats true 4Gor any other buzzword. I just want to know what the speed is, and how long the battery lasts, in real-world use.
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I dont care whats true 4Gor any other buzzword. I just want to know what the speed is, and how long the battery lasts, in real-world use.

Apple lists everything the same in the battery department except for 200 instead of 300 hours of standby (what I expected from the MDM6600), 9 hours instead of 8 hours in '3G' talk time (which I didn't expect to increase), and 8 hours instead of 9 hours in WiFi internet use (which I also didn't expect to drop). So far Apple has more than fair in their battery listings.
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I don't know what kind of hard drugs that person does nor do I really care, but that's the same guy who predicted an iPad 3 with a September 2011 release.

A little harsh, aren't you?

It's not like Gruber was claiming to be an authority on the future of Apple products. He was just discussing the advantages Apple would have in releasing the iPad 3 early and was then guessing it would happen. That sounds like something just about any other pundit might do, until you notice that mid-way through the article he openly critiques his own lousy record for predictions.

Save your harsh criticism for all the tech pundits out there who pull crazy theories out of their ass and then never acknowledge that they're wrong--and wrong a lot more often and speaking with less authority and insider knowledge than John Gruber has access to.
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And Sprint is now sold out of all 16 GB iPhone 4S's.

Apple once again kicking ass!, proving all of the naysayers, trolls and Debbie Downers wrong!

I am not a fandroid (I have iPhone-4) and not a troll, but I think 200k on a first half-day is not something to be excited with. Google reports 550k android activation each freaking day.
And after initial enthusiasm dries out, the sales may very well fall like a rock.
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I am not a fandroid (I have iPhone-4) and not a troll, but I think 200k on a first half-day is not something to be excited with. Google reports 550k android activation each freaking day.
And after initial enthusiasm dries out, the sales may very well fall like a rock.

Activations from all devices that run Android OS. Note they are not necessarily first time activations on that device.

Show me another smartphone that sells more per day. Note the iPhone 4 is already the best selling smartphone model doing a record breaking 600k in the first day across all participating carriers and countries, and now AT&T does 1/3 of that on its own in half the time.

Show me another single smartphone on a single carrier with first day sales that exceed that number. Show me one that exceeds that for an entire week for all carriers on a given day.


edit: Let me help you out. The original iPhone, back in 2007 at a starting price of $600 on AT&T sold a record breaking 1 million units in 74 days. 2.5 years later the Motorola Droid bested the original iPhone by selling 1.05 million units in the first 74 days. In 2010 the Google Nexus One sold 135k in 74 days. Today AT&T sold 200k units in the 12 hours, now couple that with Verizon, Sprint, and the other 6(?) countries and all their carriers selling the iPhone. It's very likely that Apple sold well over a million units in the first day. Sold, not activated a free OS used by dozens of carriers on many dozens of devices.
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