AT&T announces record 200,000 iPhone 4S pre-orders in first 12 hours - Page 2

I guess Nexus Prime is going to put it on test. Single phone, single carrier.

You may not be a fandroid and you may not be a troll, I don't know you of course, but you sure are a Debbie Downer, which I also happened to mention.

This iPhone will end up being the biggest selling iPhone ever. It's available in more places to more people and they won't be able to make them quick enough to fill the initial demand for quite a while.

Using all of your vast wisdom, you are basically predicting that the iPhone will flop, because that's what falls like a rock means. Some people never learn anything. People said the same thing about the original iPhone, the iPad etc. and each and every time these people end up looking like complete fucking morons, because they are proven to be dead wrong every time. Betting against Apple isn't a very wise move, statistically speaking. The odds are very much against the people who do so.

Reminds me of Pogue's article on Jobs.

Thats just not how things are done.

Often, his laser focus flew in the face of screamingly obvious common sense. He wanted to open a chain of retail stores after the failure of Gateways chain had clearly demonstrated that the concept was doomed.

He wanted to sell a smartphone that had no keyboard, when physical keys were precisely what had made the BlackBerry the most popular smartphone at the time.

Over and over again, he took away our comfy blankets. He took away our floppy drives, our dial-up modems, our camcorder jacks, our non-glossy screens, our Flash, our DVD drives, our removable laptop batteries. Good read but Stephen Fry has the most comprehensive and, IMO, best article on Jobs.

http://www.stephenfry.com/2011/10/06/steve-jobs/ PS: Ooh.. new QI to watch tonight.

It doesn't have to be single carrier to be accurately compared, it just has to be the same single carrier. I think it's likely Verizon will post iPhone sales numbers.

I'm sure the Nexus Prime will sell well for an Android-based device, but it's not possible for it to outsell the iPhone. It simply has no pedigree or mindshare that gives it an 'X' factor.


edit: Here is an article with Verizon claiming the nearly year old iPhone 4 sales broke all previous sales records.

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http://www.slashgear.com/verizon-iph...ours-04130953/ Good luck.

You are not taking into account one simple point. Every previous release Apple did not have even a trace of competition. Every product was indisputably superior to anything existing on the market. And now for the first time Apple is playing catch up and not even able to match in some aspects. And Apple is going to drag for another year while competitors will have LTE, 4.5" 720p screens, NFC within a month. I am so pissed off.

Every iPhone release has been met with people like you saying exactly the same thing: the current iPhone doesn't stand a chance against all these clearly superior devices. It's only retrospect that you are and others now say the victor was indeed the better device and you'll say the same thing next year with the 6th generation iPhone arrives.

Not true. I bought iPhone 4 last summer because believed it was truly revolutional.

Surely you jest. You just stated the revolutionary features that will trash the iPhone 4S are competitors with LTE and 4.5" 720p display, both of which existed last Summer. You honestly think people will be ditching the iPhone because of NFC at this point?


PS: Let's me just calrify your position here. You think that 200k orders in 12 hours on one carrier for one model of phone is not very good?

Sorry for confusion, it was summer 2010. I do not think this kind of screens existed back then.

Ah, I was thinking you meant 720p video out. No the displays were behind the iPhone then and the Nexus Prime still has less ppi than the iPhone 4 so why do you think it will outsell the iPhone 4S. If you say because it's a bigger screen, well those existed last year so that can't be it.

Note the iPhone 3G and 3GS displays were average and below average in ppi for their time yet they still managed to outsell the competition while being on only one carrier in the US so that can't be it either.

It has practically the same ppi (320 vs 326) with perhaps 50% more viewing area which is going to give absolute killing browsing and video experience.


Maybe I am wrong, but early iPhone screens were still larger than anything else. Needless to say about capacitive multi-touch and fluid UI.

A 4.65" inch display. You really think that mammoth is going to outsell the iPhone?

If bigger is truly better than why did the Dell Streak flop. It has a 5" display and capable of making '3G' phone calls. They called it a tablet but what do you expect, it's not that would fit in a pocket. The Nexus Prime seems like a hard sell for the average person.

Be careful what you wish for...

Now add nearly a half inch more on the diagonal for the Nexus Prime.


First Motorola Droid had a 3.7" 854 x 480 display. That's 265 ppi. That's no slouch in the resolution and yet it took over 2 months to sell 1 million units and likely less than a day for Apple to sell the iPhone 4S. It also had a slide out a keyboard. Remember those? The iPhone was doomed to fail because it didn't have a physical keyboard.

They fixed it on the main AI page but not on this forum page.

Apple isn't playing catch up. Apple is trying to differentiate itself from the rest. While every other manufacturer is in a race to out-spec their competitors, Apple is using software to stand apart(iOS 5, iCloud, AirPlay, Siri, etc).

Do you not honestly believe Apple could slap a 4" screen, a NFC chip, or a quad core processor in their units? For Gods sake, they have the deepest pockets in the industry. What is it, $70 billion in cash now? I'm glad Apple hasn't joined the "me too" race.

You can't win a specs race. Because the minute your device ships to consumers, it's already obsolete. But I guess when software innovation is an afterthought for your company, you're left with little choice.

I happen to love the marriage between software and hardware, the attention to detail, the beauty of simplicity, the idea that everything just works. I love the ecosystem and the integration between my Macs and iOS devices. When I look around, I don't see this exhibited anyplace else. I don't hear about real world use in their commercials. Or about how I can communicate with a deaf family member through video chat. All I see are robots and explosions and a bunch of irrelevant specs.

Fun Fact: Apple sold 20 million 3.5" screens last quarter, despite having inferior specs to the competition.

@GTR

True, I didn't notice the twenty

Very well said.

That's the amazing thing about Android. The NEXT phone is always going to kill the iPhone. After it comes out and fails to do so, there's always a NEXT phone to claim will be the iPhone killer.

Sort of like Windows. The NEXT version will be better than Mac OS. That's been the mantra for over 20 years now.


And here we see the Android hypocrisy at its best.

At the same time that they're claiming that Android is better and has more features and more variety and Android is outselling iPhone, they can claim (with a straight face, apparently!) that Apple hasn't had any competition and that's the only reason it has done so well. I think it's really hilarious that it's the same poster who's claiming below that Apple's sales figures aren't so hot because Android is outselling them by a large margin.


And killing battery life at the same time.

I really doubt that very many people want a nearly 5" screen in their pocket. Not to mention that Android has still never approached the usability of the iPhone. And that's before even going into malware and fragmentation problems.

I'm sure the Prime will sell OK. It's not going to be an iPhone killer.


Uh huh. That's what people said about the first iPhone ("Only Apple fanatics will buy it and after they have iPhones, no one else will want one"). They said the same thing about the second iPhone. And the third. And the 4th. And the iPad. And iPad 2.

BTW, you really need to learn to differentiate between 'sales' and 'activations'. Google adamantly refuses to explain how their activations figure is derived. It is clear, for example, that when a used Android phone is activated on a network that it is a new activation. There are a lot of other scenarios where activations != sales.

Not to mention, of course, that you're comparing 100 different devices from a dozen manufacturers to a single device from one manufacturer. That's like saying "all cars manufactured by Ford outsold the Toyota Camry". It's a true statement, but not very meaningful.

Note that 200,000 is not Apple's sales figures. That's the first day sales figures from AT&T alone. It doesn't include all of Apple's other channel partners. It also doesn't include any iPhone 4 or iPhone 3GS units sold.

It's more like "all cars made by Ford, GM, Chrysler, etc, etc outsold the Toyota Camry"....

http://www.google.com/phone/#manufac...eset_filters=1 is apparently a list of all current Android handsets... I'd be surprised if many of them even come close to outselling the (now over 2 year old) iPhone 3GS let alone the 4 or 4S.

Yeah. And it's amazing how well the 3GS is still selling. I mean, heck, I love mine. Granted, I'm looking forward to the 4S, but still.

The iPhone is by far the best selling smart phone, as I understand it. Sure, if you sell 10 models at different price points, you might beat it. But, while I see people with HTC or Samsung phones, when I go out I see the iPhone most often. *shrug*

This is the biggest mystery of them all. Google is claiming 550k activations per day, and while they aren't forward about how many unique devices those are for Android fanatics assume they are all unique. So where are these devices being used? I see very few Android-based devices compared to the number of iPhones or even Blackberries.

When I preordered the iP4 15 months ago, it arrived a day ahead of schedule. Same thing happened when the iPad 2 went to pre-order.

Agreed. OTOH, where I happen to live, Macs rule. The coffee shop I go to, for instance, people are always working on Macs and using iPhones. Heck, it's an office for a lot people.

With carriers this time around, word of increased demand from at least one carrier, and evideńe to suggest they have been stock piling for over a month there package service may have to start two days early to get them all out by Friday.

poke: "But really, if you accept that this is how Apple is going to do the antenna going forward and that they have no interest in making the display bigger,..."

Making the display bigger isn't silly at all. Some designs I've seen on the Internet where certainly more beautiful than Apples current iphone4 style, but perhaps not easy to implement. But i'am sure iPhone 5 will look a lot like it.

J.

As I understand it, the display needs to be a specific multiplier of what it is now, so that apps will be correct. Is this not true?

Anyways, I don't see the point in making a much larger display. If they had it side to side, that would be fine, but otherwise? The last thing I want is a phone that is larger than my shirt pocket.

It is interesting that I wrote in the Steve's tribute topic that this launch would be a record! I believe that it s a combination of a great product (even that the case redesign did not happen yet), technological is an amazing product, and in my case, I was going to wait for awhile, but after Steve's passing away, I feel the impulse to buy the 64 Iphone4s as part of a tribute to one of the most incredible visionaries of the 20th and 21th century...

George

Not entirely true. The display can be any size Apple wants to make it. However, to keep thinks simple for the developers, the screen resolution should be kept the same or a simple multiple of the current resolution.


What does the size have to do with "more beautiful"? Any design could be made in any size (within limits). If you see a 'beautiful' design on the Internet, why couldn't that same design be made with 3.5" screen?

The limiting factor is usability. A bigger screen makes the phone larger and bulkier. A smaller phone is easier to put in your pocket, but if it's too small, it can be hard to read and use. A larger screen (everything else being equal) would be easier to read and use, but at some point it becomes too large to be conveniently slipped into a pocket and clumsy to hold.

Clearly, a 2" screen is too small for an iPhone-like smart phone. A 7" screen is probably too large. There's no clear definition of where the dividing line is (in fact, there's no 'dividing line'. As the screen becomes larger, more people find it cumbersome, but the number who find it useful probably never drops to zero). Personally, I suspect that the cutoff is somewhere around 4" - which is probably the largest screen that can be put into the current size iPhone. If the phone were much bigger than its current size, it starts becoming cumbersome very quickly - particularly for people with smaller hands.

Speaking of NFC chips... Isn't that what the "me toos"are implementing? So what did Apple do instead? They went with Bluetooth 4.0 for the iPhone 4S.

What are the benefits:

http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7...oes-it-matter/

That's why I love these guys - they're 10 steps ahead of the competition.

Yeah, that's what I was trying to (incompetently) say.

I've been awake for far too long.

That's not the case, it isn't a law of nature, but it does make things easier for developers.
But the point is that the pixels are scaled up proportionally, so you keep the same amount of pixels.
And yes, the idea is to make the display almost from side to side. This is of course a technical challenge but maybe not impossible for Apple to do.

J.

You ask me, I didn't say so. But no size and beauty is not necessarily linked.

J.

They could make the display larger but keep the resolution the same, making everything on screen physically larger. Interestingly, standard iOS controls display larger (in terms of physical dimensions) on the iPad than on the iPhone. Presumably they could make the iPhone display large enough that controls on the iPhone would physically match the dimensions of controls on the iPad without compromising usability (since they work fine at that size on the iPad). The only problem with a larger display is that it's more difficult to use one-handed and if they go too large at the same resolution they might lose the "retina display" effect. There's probably space between 3.5" and 4" that Apple could explore but I'm becoming increasingly skeptical that they're going to do so. Personally I'd love a larger display if the phone stayed the same size though.

Yeah, I just had a stupid moment.

But I personally don't want a larger phone. If, as discussed, the display was larger with the same-sized phone, that would be great. But then you've got to get the resolution right, and hopefully keep the same density.

A guy behind me in line at the store today had an HTC Evo, and it looked nice. The display was sharp. But it looked a little big to me. Funny enough, he said that if the iPhone were on Sprint, he'd have gotten one. The lady in front of me said, "It is on Sprint. You can't get one til Friday, though." He looked kind of bummed out, since he had just gotten his Evo a month ago.

It really drove home, though, the fact that the vast majority of consumers are not AI readers, or tech site readers, or anything close. I read a lot of comic book sites, and have for years. And you see the same sort of echo chamber reactions to things there as you do on tech sites. But when it comes down to the consumer, whether of a new iPhone or a new Batman comic, the reality of their reaction is so different than what is going on in the echo chamber.

Not that that had anything to do with what we were discussing. It just occurred to me.

Apple being Apple I think they would optimize for any change to the display so such a decision wouldn't happen simply to play "me too" with other devices. That said, going to a 4" 960x720 display would keep the PPI at 300, which is within feasible Retina Display specs. If they also use less of a border around the display (and make the device thinner so your hand can cup the device more) you could still get a full sweep of the thumb with one-handed use, as stated previously. I think you just need 1/8th of an inch less casing on each side of the display.

If the market had already returned to normalcy, AAPL would be more shorted than ever. I remember the insanity surrounding AAPL prior to the latest recession/depression.

Yeah, but what's the battery life on that Galaxy S phone?

I believe iPhone's screen can be made larger without changing the form factor. There is just too much real estate wasted at the top and the bottom.
And this could be done even by keeping all applications compatible just by adding extra top and bottom bars. For example, the extra top space could be used for notifications, signal strength, battery life, etc. And the extra bottom space could be used for multitasking gestures, favorite app list, most recently used apps, etc.

Old apps running in "compatibility mode" would only occupy screen space between the extra bars. Safari, Video player, and all new apps written specifically for the new screen could utilize an entire screen area.

And everyone would be happy: old apps would still work, iPod accessories would still work, new full-screen apps would bee awesome, browsing would be more fun, and video would support HD.

Not so great if you want to use it for web browsing. For making calls it looks pretty good but if that is your primary need I'd just get something smaller and more convenient.

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http://www.anandtech.com/show/4686/s...t-redefined/18 Also, check the previous page where it compares the GPU performance of the 7 month old A5 in the iPad which is now in the iPhone. It's funny how Apple's is no longer just about having the nicest looking kit and more refined UI, but also the fastest HW and lowest prices. Oh how times change.

The whole review is great. You see some excellent additions, including what we can expect from the iPhone 4S on AT&T, and you see some really poor ideas. Overall I'd say it's good choice for those that want Android plus a really big phone. I'm certainly not one of them.

Nice. Thanks.