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If by empire, you are referring to the current communist regime, well, it hasn't been around that long. Furthermore, it is communist by authority but not perhaps in a practical sense.

No I wasn't referring to the current communist regime. That communist regime is the rebranding of the Chinese Empire. It didn't break up.

But way off topic.
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I pictured some guy living in a cave... designing the first wheel by scratching designs on his cave wall... he steps out to kill a deer and when he comes back somebody has etched the wheel with a line through it and a caricature of the wheel designer... the equivalent of, "Wheel never sell. Idiot designs wheel. LOL!".

Touch killed the wheel!
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I pictured some guy living in a cave... designing the first wheel by scratching designs on his cave wall... he steps out to kill a deer and when he comes back somebody has etched the wheel with a line through it and a caricature of the wheel designer... the equivalent of, "Wheel never sell. Idiot designs wheel. LOL!".

The real smart guy was the guy who invented the second wheel, years later. Until then all they had were wheelbarrows.
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Touch killed the wheel!

....and the video killed the radio star!


*looks at other posts*

Sorry for gettin ya'll of topic with you and your wheels and chinese empires.
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Being disappointed that the iPhone 4S wasn't the iPhone 5 doesn't make you anti-Apple.

It's a very sad day when we can't comment honestly on forums like this without being constantly attacked for doing so.
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Being disappointed that the iPhone 4S wasn't the iPhone 5 doesn't make you anti-Apple.

It's a very sad day when we can't comment honestly on forums like this without being constantly attacked for doing so.

It's mostly newbies, people posting since post 2007.

The standard schtick in AI is to over-estimate Apple's announcements and then be dissapointed. Only the iPhone broke that mould.

Jesus we hated the iPod. we loathed the iPod.
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

Being disappointed that the iPhone 4S wasn't the iPhone 5 doesn't make you anti-Apple.

It's a very sad day when we can't comment honestly on forums like this without being constantly attacked for doing so.

Here, if I say anything that isn't postitive I get attacked. Can't even speculate on a case without someone losing all their marbles.

I'm gonna test out the macrumor forums...
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It's mostly newbies, people posting since post 2007.

The standard schtick in AI is to over-estimate Apple's announcements and then be dissapointed. Only the iPhone broke that mould.

Jesus we hated the iPod. we loathed the iPod.

People posting since 2007 are not necessarily new to Apple products. Oregon Trail on the Apple IIe, baby!
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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

Being disappointed that the iPhone 4S wasn't the iPhone 5 doesn't make you anti-Apple.

It's a very sad day when we can't comment honestly on forums like this without being constantly attacked for doing so.

That's a tad disingenuous. Being disappointed ≠ "LOL Apple is done for what a piece of shit now Android rules all LOL" which is more the tone that people were reacting to.
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Originally Posted by brutus009 View Post

... and grumpy as ever, I'm sure.

Reminds me of a Steve quote I read recently, though I'm about to butcher it (and so I use quotes loosely):

"It's difficult to show people what they want when they don't know what it looks like."

I like the Henry Ford one myself. Which goes something like "If I'd asked the public how to build a better car, they would have said I needed to add a horse"

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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

I think this is Apple pre-orders only.

The article clearly says it is pre-orders only. so you think correctly

[QUOTE=Dave K.;1961933]This sucks! There is no way that Apple/AT&T's servers are going to be able handle this number of activations smoothly... /QUOTE]

Yeah really sucks that the iPhone is only on ATT. if only it was on Verizon and Sprint also.

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There are no in-store preorders this time around (boooo!). I actually asked a guy at the Apple store why they weren't doing that and he told me that last year many people reserved iPhone 4s for in-store pickup and then never showed up.

According to my sources it was messy than that. Not only did folks not show up, some of them were under the impression that the store was going to hold it for them until they bothered to show up days later. There were always walk in folks that didn't bother to reserve who were pissed that the stores didn't have enough phones, reserve folks were mad that they weren't taken first. it got out to those that placed reserved to be told they were for after launch day that there were extra folks for walk ups. malls were pissed about two lines, numbering systems were a total mockup. and so on

that said, I hope they don't totally repeat the iPad 2 launch in the sense that they didn't do reservations for after that opening weekend. I remember being in one of the stores on day 5 or 6 of the new iPad and hearing a guy screaming and swearing because he'd been coming every morning for nothing. If Apple let folks start reserving for after the weekend they could avoid that PR nightmare, any crowding outside (which malls and cities hate) etc. They could wait and do it at like 7pm on Sunday and do their walk ins only until then.

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going to an AT&T store, you only have to compete against other AT&T customers.


while this is true, carrier stores don't get as many units so they often sell out faster

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True. But I would be a new ATT customer. Should I get an account setup before? I'll go out early as I have 3 phones to buy (family plan).

you could but be very very careful. make sure they understand that you are just doing the start up paperwork to get an iPhone this weekend. And that the system needs to show that you never walked out with a phone and you are upgrade eligible -- even if you go to an Apple Store.

My brother in law did this for the iPhone 4 for himself and my wife. THey were coming over from Verizon because they had moved to an area where Verizon coverage was awful. So Bro figures he'd go to ATT and get the number ported over the day before, sign the papers etc. They were just at home unpacking so the lack of a cell phone wasn't a big deal for a couple of days.

Trouble was that whoever did the paperwork didn't just port and park the number in their system but assigned it to a sim. and in that process it was tagged as a contracted line and not upgrade eligible when he got to Apple. The people on the phone with ATT customer service apparently either couldn't fix it or weren't smart enough to figure out what he was explaining because they just kept telling him that he couldn't get another phone for 2 years because he just got one. He had to go back to the ATT store he went to, find the same salesperson, etc. Who told him that the only way to fix it was to return 'the phone' the system though he had and sell him the iPhone in its place. But they had to do it at the same time because once they did the return it was like 5 days before the system would show the lines were eligible again. but in an exchange it works right away. Only they were out of iPhones so they would have to order them and it could take up to two weeks. They also told him (and I suspect lied) that the Apple Store system wasn't set up for such transactions and wouldn't show the eligibility correctly and he had to do it through them. He tried the whole "can i speak to your manager" but that failed cause guess who he was talking to. He was livid.
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That's a tad disingenuous. Being disappointed ≠ "LOL Apple is done for what a piece of shit now Android rules all LOL" which is more the tone that people were reacting to.

Nope. Android trolls would hardly be disappointed with the iPhone 4S as they weren't going to buy it.

There is a difference between now and 2003 - back then we were only us. Windows users couldnt be arsed coming into a forum for an OS with < 5% of the market. Mostly.

Now we do have to fend off trolls. However, we need to differentiate between trolls and fans disappointed with some release, however over-done the rumours were.
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Here, if I say anything that isn't postitive I get attacked. Can't even speculate on a case without someone losing all their marbles.

I'm gonna test out the macrumor forums...

The MacRumors forums are fairly balanced compared to here, in my opinion. But, since they far more popular, posts get buried into oblivion too quickly for my tastes which is why I post here instead as of late.
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The article clearly says it is pre-orders only. so you think correctly

I wrote that before they changed it. The title of this thread is what the original article said.
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Nope. Android trolls would hardly be disappointed with the iPhone 4S as they weren't going to buy it.

There is a difference between now and 2003 - back then we were only us. Windows users couldnt be arsed coming into a forum for an OS with < 5% of the market. Mostly.

Now we do have to fend off trolls. However, we need to differentiate between trolls and fans disappointed with some release, however over-done the rumours were.

I agree. One big problem with lots of trolling is that it creates a defensive tone that didn't used to be here. When you can just discuss Apple stuff with like minded people you feel free to take Apple to task for perceived missteps (which plenty of people on this forum certainly did). When every other post is snarky needling there's much less room for spirited debate.
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Originally Posted by fizzmaster View Post

Both of mine have shipped as well. They have already left China. Unless they sit in customs for a few days, they will arrive very early.

The carrier was most likely instructed to hold the package for delivery on Friday so I wouldn't expect it any earlier. This is how it worked for the iPad 2 and iPhone 4.
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Originally Posted by asdasd View Post

Sold or sales in the title and first paragraph should really say pre-orders.

Credit cards are processed and devices are shipping as of yesterday...
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Ah, thanks charlituna. BIG help!

I'm real nervous now. I think I'm going to the store today, but I need to make sure that I'm just telling them that I just want to get some information. To make matters worse, I have a 21% employee discount and am not sure how to apply that to the account upon opening. I just really want to get into on how much I would be paying and stuff.
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Originally Posted by linkgx1 View Post

I wonder if Mr Steve's passing has had an affect....

I am convinced that Steve waited until after the announcement before instructing his hospice support to let him go. Imagine what would have happened had he passed on the same day the 4S was announced. Or even a day or two before. This was no coincidence. He hung on just long enough to do the right thing for his company, his investors, and his fans. Ever the consummate leader, right up until his last breath. What a guy.
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EVERYTHING that has a begininng has an end.

Tell me one consumer electronic product that has been on top forever. Tell me an empire in the world that has lasted forever.

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Everything, it seems... except inane posts by naysayers with an agenda!

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Originally Posted by island hermit View Post

I pictured some guy living in a cave... designing the first wheel by scratching designs on his cave wall... he steps out to kill a deer and when he comes back somebody has etched the wheel with a line through it and a caricature of the wheel designer... the equivalent of, "Wheel never sell. Idiot designs wheel. LOL!".

Ha! Exactly!

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Originally Posted by Negafox View Post

The MacRumors forums are fairly balanced compared to here, in my opinion. But, since they far more popular, posts get buried into oblivion too quickly for my tastes which is why I post here instead as of late.

They are pretty bad at the moment. I believe there must be an amazon Turk machine paying out 10 cents a post for negative iPhone comments. They all say the same thing, it never has anything at all to do with the topic. It is out of hand.
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If I just wanted a good phone, I'd look at usability as a Phone (address book, voicemail, etc.) and build quality. It is really hard to beat the previous iPhone 4 in both of these regards. The quality of the iPhone 4 was a big step up from the 3s which has a quality similar to most current Android phones. The only way Android might win head to head is to drop the price to zero or offer phones without data plans to target feature phone users. Both of those scenarios are happening of course, so that will keep Android sales up. Apple hasn't indicated that they want to truly compete against feature phones right now. Basically the iPhone 4 and 3s are just half-hearted attempts. Android however is definitely going after the feature phone crowd.

I'm puzzled by your comments. The iPhone 3s and the iPhone 4 use the same OS. While there were some features only available on the 4, I'd say that the usability of the two phones was almost exactly the same, except in regards to performance, in which the 4 has smoother scrolling and is faster.

The numbers seem to indicate that iPhone 4 users are upgrading. That's a surprise to me even considering the voice-controls and other features of the new phone. I would have thought that the vast majority of upgraders would have earlier phones. I still have a 3G. Frankly, I didn't think the 4 offered enough of an upgrade, so I waited. Getting the 4s probably means skipping the 5, but I'm probably okay with that unless Apple really takes a major and unexpected leap in technology with the 5.
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Where are alll the people who were soooooooo dissappointed that there was no iPhone 5 AND because there was no iPhone 5 AND they were sooooooo disappointed they claimed the 4S would be a dud? I'll bet they crawled back under their rocks!

Could it be they have been confused with the models from another vendor soon to be released.

By the way if one listens closely, the sound of nails being driven into the "rim" of a a casket may be faintly heard.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Ha! Exactly!


mm...a donut! Is that from Krispy Kreme?
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Tell me an empire in the world that has lasted forever.

Aapl?
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Yes, I pre-ordered one on Sprint the very first day. But that doesn't mean I wouldn't have much preferred a larger screen. I am satisfied with all the other internal changes and also with iOS 5. As far as a shell redesign, it is a very thin rectangular box so there really is not a ton you can do with that. Others might care about a new deign, but that was not a priority for me.

I got very used to a 4.3" screen and 3.5" is a little on the smallish side. Yes, I know about the superior resolution, but that doesn't make up for actual screen real estate. I doubt I am alone either. If they took a poll of 4S customers, I bet 4" would win out over 3.5" by a very wide margin. But unlike computers, you don't have to keep cellphones as long. When they introduce the iPhone next year with LTE and a larger screen, I will just sell my 4S and get the iPhone I really have been waiting for.

I just hope these large sales numbers don't convince Apple that they need to stick with 3.5".
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Getting the 4s probably means skipping the 5, but I'm probably okay with that unless Apple really takes a major and unexpected leap in technology with the 5.

I am thinking that Siri is the tip of the iceberg as regards iPhone 5. iPhone 4S is essentially a test bed for the new paradigm in portable computing input: voice.
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EVERYTHING that has a begininng has an end.

Tell me one consumer electronic product that has been on top forever. Tell me an empire in the world that has lasted forever.

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Originally Posted by Shaun, UK View Post

Being disappointed that the iPhone 4S wasn't the iPhone 5 doesn't make you anti-Apple.

It's a very sad day when we can't comment honestly on forums like this without being constantly attacked for doing so.


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Here, if I say anything that isn't postitive I get attacked. Can't even speculate on a case without someone losing all their marbles.

I'm gonna test out the macrumor forums...


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I agree. One big problem with lots of trolling is that it creates a defensive tone that didn't used to be here. When you can just discuss Apple stuff with like minded people you feel free to take Apple to task for perceived missteps (which plenty of people on this forum certainly did). When every other post is snarky needling there's much less room for spirited debate.

Yes! Many of us admire Apple as a company, and prefer to buy Apple products -- but Apple makes mistakes and have released some real duds too!

It is nice to be able to come to a place with like-minded knowledgeable people to discuss the plusses and minuses of the latest Apple product or action.

AI, is [mostly] such a place.

However, periodically, the forums are inundated with those who say "I am a big Apple fan, but...".

Everything, after that is anti-Apple or nay-saying against Apple actions or products.

You can usually recognize them -- recent enrollees with a lot of posts -- mostly negative or to muddy the water.

Sometimes 2 or more will descend on a thread at the same time -- usually around a new Apple product announcement, such as the iPhone 4S.

They try to overload the thread with their anti-Apple agenda -- then sniff, as if offended, when called out.

If you want verification, you only have to click on their name, get statistics, and review their posts.


Almost every regular here (me included), has made posts that call out Apple when they think they have reason to do so.

Most of us (including me), will praise Apple's competition when they have reason to do so.

That makes for a lively and informative discussion. I know I often learn things from other posters here!


It is a sad fact of life, that some people cannot tolerate open and reasoned discussions -- and feel they must impose their agenda on us.
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Your using this anecdote to refute "win back"?


An Apple doesn't fall far from the tree, Grasshopper.
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Maybe Sony? They've never gone to the soaring heights Apple has been at recently, but no one has ever described them as struggling or "doomed".

And maybe that's the secret.

SNE once had a stock price within spitting distance of $150.00. Right now it is at 18 and change.
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Yes! Many of us admire Apple as a company, and prefer to buy Apple products -- but Apple makes mistakes and have released some real duds too!

It is nice to be able to come to a place with like-minded knowledgeable people to discuss the plusses and minuses of the latest Apple product or action.

AI, is [mostly] such a place.

However, periodically, the forums are inundated with those who say "I am a big Apple fan, but...".

Everything, after that is anti-Apple or nay-saying against Apple actions or products.

You can usually recognize them -- recent enrollees with a lot of posts -- mostly negative or to muddy the water.

Sometimes 2 or more will descend on a thread at the same time -- usually around a new Apple product announcement, such as the iPhone 4S.

They try to overload the thread with their anti-Apple agenda -- then sniff, as if offended, when called out.

If you want verification, you only have to click on their name, get statistics, and review their posts.


Almost every regular here (me included), has made posts that call out Apple when they think they have reason to do so.

Most of us (including me), will praise Apple's competition when they have reason to do so.

That makes for a lively and informative discussion. I know I often learn things from other posters here!


It is a sad fact of life, that some people cannot tolerate open and reasoned discussions -- and feel they must impose their agenda on us.


Yeah, I agree. Just don't go to any Android forums. It's just as bad. Except you have hardware fanboys. Don't be a Samsung owner and go into an HTC threat. You'll killed murdered.
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Originally Posted by SSquirrel View Post

Sounds like us. My wife got an original iPad last October, we bought a Mini and a ATV2 in August, we're buying iPhone 4S's at the end of the month and in the spring we're both probably getting laptops and iPads.

I've never seen this sort of phenomenon with any other brand.
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I've never seen this sort of phenomenon with any other brand.

I've seen it with the Wii for a short while. Then it just died off.
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Originally Posted by foxhunter101 View Post

Where are alll the people who were soooooooo dissappointed that there was no iPhone 5 AND because there was no iPhone 5 AND they were sooooooo disappointed they claimed the 4S would be a dud? I'll bet they crawled back under their rocks!

They're frantically searching for the next Antennagate to fuel their fake outrage. And just like last time, it will have little to no impact on how the rest of the world perceives the iPhone. And just like last time, it will do nothing to hide the fact that Android blows chunks compared to iOS.
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Originally Posted by linkgx1 View Post

My lord Goodness. Mind BLOWN!

This doesn't even included the sales for the regular 4 and 3GS. Go Apple!

My original iphone 4 16 gig is in pristine condition. I can get 350 to 400 hundred for it. I'll be getting the 32 gig model 4s when all the craziness dies down. Damn I can't wait.
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Originally Posted by zoetmb View Post

The numbers seem to indicate that iPhone 4 users are upgrading. That's a surprise to me even considering the voice-controls and other features of the new phone.

I'm a launch day iP4 owner and AT&T has said I can update early. Which is weird except that I have 2 iPhones and 3 feature phones on my family account so I must have passed some magic threshold for early updates.

I'm going to pass and just update the older 3G phone to the 4S then update the 4 to the 5 next year. I suspect I'd be allowed to upgrade early then too but no need to risk it.

The internal debate is whether to give my wife the 4 or 4S.
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My last post was 04-07-2011 with Apples earnings recommendation. Now Im back again. The whisper number for Apples earnings on 18 Oct 11 is out. The consensus is for 7.15 a share, the whisper number is 8.42 per share which means that Apple will report 1.27 per share over consensus estimates. I believe they will come in at 9.03 per share and 2.02 above estimates or better. Nobodys talking about it, but on 18 Oct 11, Apple could become the first company with 100 BILLION in cash on hand. You heard it from me first!
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Originally Posted by nht View Post

I'm a launch day iP4 owner and AT&T has said I can update early. Which is weird except that I have 2 iPhones and 3 feature phones on my family account so I must have passed some magic threshold for early updates.

I'm going to pass and just update the older 3G phone to the 4S then update the 4 to the 5 next year. I suspect I'd be allowed to upgrade early then too but no need to risk it.

The internal debate is whether to give my wife the 4 or 4S.

So if I sign up with ATT next week, then how long would my upgrade be (3 iPhones, family plan, $150+/mo).
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Question, if I want to get one in store....(LIKE ATT)....then what do I do? I mean, do they have instore preorders? (ATT). Do I stay outside? Do I have the plan set up before? I'm wondering...

I think all you have to do is go to an AT&T store Friday morning and stand in line. I don't think there are preorders Friday morning at the AT&T store, I think you just go in and buy the phone. They'll activate it there so (if you have an iPhone now) sync/back it up to your computer before you go.

Does this sound right everybody?
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The only other example I can think of is Walt Disney. What happened when Edison died?

Lots of light bulbs were purchased.
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I've seen it with the Wii for a short while. Then it just died off.

Unlike Apple, however, Nintendo is happy to coast on the success of a single product line until it has overstayed its welcome. The Wii U looks like an interesting update to the Wii but it should have been out last year, not next summer.
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