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Can I respectfully suggest we don't speculate in this situation? You know how fast internet rumors travel

Agreed on this point. Stick to the facts.

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post #42 of 67
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None of us have stopped to think about the sheer volume of great stuff he produced during the last two years of his life, years that were filled with the kind of pain and torment that would make most of us crumple to the ground.

Did anyone else see the tribute Jim Cramer gave him on Mad Money? I was surprised. Never liked him, but I had to say he summed up Steve's impact the best of anything I've heard yet.

Link?
post #43 of 67
Unfortunately a cure for cancer is not a marketable consumer product. You can not enjoy a cure for cancer, you will not buy a cure for cancer as an impulse purchase, you only want it when it is too late for you. Consider donating to non profit organizations that are working for a cure even though you may never benefit from it yourself.

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Originally Posted by tylerk36 View Post

He's gone lets leave his memory in peace. He would want us to move on. Cant we just move on. Please.

He would want us to be one of the crazies, and do something great. Perhaps some of us will.
post #45 of 67
We should have had the cure for Cancer by now. But no we need to waste and give money to corrupt charities. If we found a cure for every cancer in the world a lot of business would go bankrupt. We lost a great person and to the technology we have today we should have the CURE for CANCER by now.
post #46 of 67
I know of at least five cures for cancer. The AMA and medical institutions don't want these public. The FDA is trying to get vitamins classified as drugs so that people can't get them and cure their own problems. Don't waste your money donating to any charity claiming that they are searching for a cure. They already exist!
post #47 of 67
checkout this AWESOME Steve Jobs Tribute Video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_rjRWJUEmJw

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post #48 of 67
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Originally Posted by munan View Post

Dilaudid. Not morphine as such.

Yes, a derivative of morphine. Does the average lay person care?
post #49 of 67
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I know of at least five cures for cancer. The AMA and medical institutions don't want these public. The FDA is trying to get vitamins classified as drugs so that people can't get them and cure their own problems. Don't waste your money donating to any charity claiming that they are searching for a cure. They already exist!

Well, you're on a public forum. How about you enlighten us?
post #50 of 67
Woz, Larry Ellison, etc. should organize a Tribute Concert for Steve Jobs.


Here's a list of artists I think Steve would appreciate.

Paul McCartney
Bob Dylan
U2
Cold Play
John Mayer


what do you guys think????

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post #51 of 67
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Originally Posted by acslater017 View Post

I'm not a doctor, but no I don't think he "suffocated' - merely that he stopped breathing. I don't mean to sound morbid, but it sounds like he was surrounded by his family, who said that he passed away peacefully - rather than a resuscitation-type situation. In addition, they've known since February that he was only his final leg, and for at least a few days beforehand, I think, that it was really imminent. He probably slipped away peacefully and his "respiration arrested. "

oh okay...as someone who nearly drowned many times and have had instances in my sleep where I couldn't breathe (stuffy nose) it is absolutely terrifying.

Glad to know he most likely slipped into the unknown peacefully. RIP.
post #52 of 67
Even with the tumor and therapy eating him from the inside out he managed to do all that he did!
He is truly not going to be forgotten!
I hope he didn't suffer on his way out, but most likely he did not.
post #53 of 67
Oh yeah and one more thing...taken too soon

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post #54 of 67
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Originally Posted by AbsoluteDesignz View Post

Does that mean he suffocated? I hope not. That's a horrible way to go :-(

Dying takes several days or weeks, assuming that death isn't caused by a sudden trauma, such as a gunshot or sudden loss of blood. At any point during the process, the patient can hit a plateau or even get better for a short time, at which time relatives may declare a miracle or think that the patient is getting better. This is difficult for medical personnel, because it is temporary and normal. The dying process is not a straight line.

At the beginning, the patient begins to lose control over his extremities. He is frustrated that he cannot put on his slippers or button his pajamas, for example. He gradually cares about this less and less, and as he becomes bed-bound, he doesn't care.

The patient's consciousness becomes shallower. In the beginning, the patient is lucid and "with it" when he is conscious, but he appears to take frequent naps. in the middle, as his consciousness gradually becomes shallower and the "naps" increase, he is only partially conscious and can only get out a few words. Toward the end, he is rarely conscious, if at all, and can only say a few words at a time. The patient may be incoherent and the voice is barely audible. Family members who can't face what's going on will read meaning into them even though others hear nothing. At the very end, the patient appears to be sleeping.

The person gradually loses interest in food and drink, eventually feeling no discomfort. Toward the end, he won't chew food placed in his mouth and will gently choke if fluid is put in his mouth. At this point, you have to moisten his lips and mouth with a sponge, and that small amount of water may make him cough.

Toward the end, blood pressure falls as the pulse rises into the range of tachycardia. That means the heart is less and less effective, circulation shuts down from the extremities inward, and organ failure begins. The hands and feet become ice cold to the touch, and depending on what position they are in, may turn purple. This is because of a lack of circulation.

Toward the end, the patient breathes mechanically, like he's catching his breath. Breathing becomes shallower and shallower until it's hard to hear.

It's hard to tell when the patient dies, because the only observable change is the lack of breathing. Your mind expects to see a person breathe, so you see the illusion of breathing in your peripheral vision. SInce breathing was so shallow, it takes careful observation and listening to determine that it has stopped.

I saw three people go through this process in hospice care in my house and another in the ICU. Even though that is only four people, nurses and nurses aides, in the course of telling me what to expect, told me that this is the norm.

My father instructed the hospice nurse, the nurse's aides, and me to tell him when he was in the final stage of dying, because he wanted to be paying attention when it happened. He was curious what it was like and didn't want to miss it. On the last day of his life, I told him to pay attention as he had instructed me, but he was unconscious. I doubt that he heard.

Steve Jobs felt no discomfort or pain when he died, mainly because he was not conscious.
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Hither comes the angel drear,
Who tells the dying death is near,
Then ever gentle, ever kind,
He helps the dying rest to find.
He gives a balm so strong, so deep,
That pain is gone, there’s naught but sleep.
But we who watch the soul depart
Find grief and sadness in our heart.
He does not look upon our grief,
For grief, our love, needs no relief;
His eyes are on the dying one
For there is where his work is done,
And as a skillful surgeon, cuts,
Removes all sin and fear and such
Then sews the wound, and wakes the soul
To newness where all wounds are whole.
He leads it on a path abroad
To seek the unseen face of God,
A journey that is never done
Till all the final wars are won,
When all the battles, all the strife,
The lies, the hate, the stains of life
And any other painful thing
Is overcome, and cannot sting.
Then all the souls who’ve journeyed far
Behold above a brand new star.
They see each other, clad with light
And watch the angels take to flight
For all the pain and strife did cease
And nothing’s left but joy and peace.

The Angel of Death, by the Rev. Kenneth W. Collins
post #56 of 67
Death comes for us all. But modern society has pushed dying to the periphery. It is good to occasionally contemplate death and our mortality.

Rev. 1:17-18
post #57 of 67
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Originally Posted by jameskatt2 View Post

By metastasizing to the spinal column around the upper neck, the tumor could stop him from breathing.

It goes downhill very quickly when the tumor spreads to the spinal cord.

Sad.

It's much more likely that he was given opiate painkillers that made him stop breathing. It's not an uncommon way to go in cancer patients.
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post #58 of 67
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

Link?

Linky:

Cramer's Tribute


After so many years of bashing the stock down and talking it back up I had no idea what he would say about him at the end. This is a fitting tribute to the man who brought them truckloads of money and ever so much more. It aired the night after he passed away.

also Rachel Maddow did a good tribute on her show.
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post #59 of 67
it's absolutely disgusting that he got a liver transplant when he had metastatic cancer. Tens of thousands of pancreatic cancer patients are denied liver transplants every year because they have pancreatic cancer. But Steve Jobs could get a new liver. Because he was Steve Jobs.

so. dis. gust. ing.
post #60 of 67
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Originally Posted by hymie View Post

it's absolutely disgusting that he got a liver transplant when he had metastatic cancer. Tens of thousands of pancreatic cancer patients are denied liver transplants every year because they have pancreatic cancer. But Steve Jobs could get a new liver. Because he was Steve Jobs.

He didn't get the liver in California, and there was no scandal about medical ethics, which means being Steve Jobs was not the reason he got the liver, He got the liver because he was in a state where there wasn't a waiting list and the rules would let him have one.
post #61 of 67
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Originally Posted by nklsrnsm View Post

Psychologically, Mr. Jobs died due to lack of oxygen, but rest assured, he was comfortable when it happened.

Thanks for the insight. As a healthcare provider, also involved with the care of terminal illness on a somewhat frequent basis, what you wrote was almost assuredly largely accurate, and hopefully will put some of this rampant, inaccurate, and medically specious speculation to rest.
post #62 of 67
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Originally Posted by Panu View Post

He didn't get the liver in California, and there was no scandal about medical ethics, which means being Steve Jobs was not the reason he got the liver, He got the liver because he was in a state where there wasn't a waiting list and the rules would let him have one.

As I remember, the initial diagnosis was NOT metastatic pancreatic cancer, but a more rare form of pancreatic cancer that was amenable to resection; the very fact that it was resected means that it almost certainly had not metastasized. For that reason, a liver transplant was likely not contraidicated.
post #63 of 67
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Originally Posted by Panu View Post

Dying takes several days or weeks, assuming that death isn't caused by a sudden trauma, such as a gunshot or sudden loss of blood. At any point during the process, the patient can hit a plateau or even get better for a short time, at which time relatives may declare a miracle or think that the patient is getting better. This is difficult for medical personnel, because it is temporary and normal. The dying process is not a straight line.

At the beginning, the patient begins to lose control over his extremities. He is frustrated that he cannot put on his slippers or button his pajamas, for example. He gradually cares about this less and less, and as he becomes bed-bound, he doesn't care.

The patient's consciousness becomes shallower. In the beginning, the patient is lucid and "with it" when he is conscious, but he appears to take frequent naps. in the middle, as his consciousness gradually becomes shallower and the "naps" increase, he is only partially conscious and can only get out a few words. Toward the end, he is rarely conscious, if at all, and can only say a few words at a time. The patient may be incoherent and the voice is barely audible. Family members who can't face what's going on will read meaning into them even though others hear nothing. At the very end, the patient appears to be sleeping.

The person gradually loses interest in food and drink, eventually feeling no discomfort. Toward the end, he won't chew food placed in his mouth and will gently choke if fluid is put in his mouth. At this point, you have to moisten his lips and mouth with a sponge, and that small amount of water may make him cough.

Toward the end, blood pressure falls as the pulse rises into the range of tachycardia. That means the heart is less and less effective, circulation shuts down from the extremities inward, and organ failure begins. The hands and feet become ice cold to the touch, and depending on what position they are in, may turn purple. This is because of a lack of circulation.

Toward the end, the patient breathes mechanically, like he's catching his breath. Breathing becomes shallower and shallower until it's hard to hear.

It's hard to tell when the patient dies, because the only observable change is the lack of breathing. Your mind expects to see a person breathe, so you see the illusion of breathing in your peripheral vision. SInce breathing was so shallow, it takes careful observation and listening to determine that it has stopped.

I saw three people go through this process in hospice care in my house and another in the ICU. Even though that is only four people, nurses and nurses aides, in the course of telling me what to expect, told me that this is the norm.

My father instructed the hospice nurse, the nurse's aides, and me to tell him when he was in the final stage of dying, because he wanted to be paying attention when it happened. He was curious what it was like and didn't want to miss it. On the last day of his life, I told him to pay attention as he had instructed me, but he was unconscious. I doubt that he heard.

Steve Jobs felt no discomfort or pain when he died, mainly because he was not conscious.

I wish to feel myself slip away. Sad that it sounds like I won't have that opportunity.
post #64 of 67
Thanks Panu, that really helps. I'm just glad it was peaceful. I hate death, and can remember how horrified i was as a child when it was explained to me that "its like you go to sleep, and you never wake up" also being taken to a funeral, and made to go up to the open casket as a boy didn't help, i was absolutely horrified.

Thats why Panu's post made me feel a bit better, its good to know its possible to go out that peacefully. I've always said, "it's not being dead that's the problem - it's the dying part."

Later on i made the choice that even though i wanted children, i would never subject them to death, so i never had any. I feel peace knowing my kids will never die, as they were never born to begin with. Some people have disagreed with my choice, but to each his own; it works for me.

That is NOT to take away from people who have had children! - not at all - life can be wonderful, and joyous - but i was not willing to put them on that merry-go-round of living for 70-80 years not knowing when, or how they were going to die; and then suffering a possible horrible death. And yes, I'm glad that not everyone feels the way i do as we would never have had Steve Jobs.
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Thanks Panu, that really helps. I'm just glad it was peaceful. I hate death, and can remember how horrified i was as a child when it was explained to me that "its like you go to sleep, and you never wake up" also being taken to a funeral, and made to go up to the open casket as a boy didn't help, i was absolutely horrified.

Thats why Panu's post made me feel a bit better, its good to know its possible to go out that peacefully. I've always said, "it's not being dead that's the problem - it's the dying part."

Later on i made the choice that even though i wanted children, i would never subject them to death, so i never had any. I feel peace knowing my kids will never die, as they were never born to begin with. Some people have disagreed with my choice, but to each his own; it works for me.

That is NOT to take away from people who have had children! - not at all - life can be wonderful, and joyous - but i was not willing to put them on that merry-go-round of living for 70-80 years not knowing when, or how they were going to die; and then suffering a possible horrible death. And yes, I'm glad that not everyone feels the way i do as we would never have had Steve Jobs.

Death has always been a burden on my mind. First the whole idea that I will die (around 12) then in my early twenties the fact that I can die at any time for any reason. Being borderline nihilistic doesn't help either.

I'm not so scared of being dead. Like you I fear dying. Slipping away. I wonder if there's panic. Silent and lonely trapped in a dying mind as you fight for a life you can no longer hold.

The idea is terrifying. I try not to think about it. But sometimes at night when I lay to sleep I get scared of not waking up. Just going from a living breathing being to essentially nothing with no awareness of it's transition.

Granted, logically, it's pointless to fear as being nothing won't feel like anything. But still. Fearful.
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Originally Posted by parksgm View Post

As I remember, the initial diagnosis was NOT metastatic pancreatic cancer, but a more rare form of pancreatic cancer that was amenable to resection; the very fact that it was resected means that it almost certainly had not metastasized. For that reason, a liver transplant was likely not contraidicated.

the only reason he would have needed a liver transplant is because he had metastatic cancer that had taken over his liver (this was a long time after his original tumor resection). That is an easy diagnosis to make. However, if you have a liver with enough metastases to necessitate a liver transplant it is quite clear you have metastatic cancer and thus are not allowed to get a liver transplant. That's how the medical ethics work. So in fact, Steve Jobs did not deserve a new liver.
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