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Apple on Tuesday released iTunes 10.5 for both Mac and PC, bringing with it support for wirelessly syncing with devices running the soon-to-be-released iOS 5.

iTunes 10.5 is now available as a direct download from Apple. The company noted in the release notes that iTunes 10.5 no longer requires or includes QuickTime.

The full list of features, according to Apple, includes:
iTunes in the Cloud. iTunes now stores your music and TV purchases in iCloud and makes them available on your devices anywhere, any time, at no additional cost.
Automatic Downloads. Purchase music from any device or computer and automatically download a copy to your PC and iOS devices.
Download Previous Purchases. Download your past music, TV, app, and book purchases again, at no additional cost. Previous purchases may be unavailable if they are no longer on the iTunes Store.
Sync with your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch with iOS 5.
Wi-Fi Syncing. Automatically sync your iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch with iTunes any time they're both on the same Wi-Fi network.
The release of iTunes 10.5 comes one day ahead of the public release of iOS 5 for the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. Users will be required to upgrade to iTunes 10.5 before they can upgrade their portable device to iOS 5.



Developers were supplied with the gold master build of iOS 5 after Apple's media event to introduce the iPhone 4S last week. A software gold master is typically identical to the final software released to the public.

Not yet a part of iTunes 10.5 is the new iTunes Match service. iTunes Match is Apple's new $24.99-per-year service that will allow users to match up their personal library of songs with Apple's high-quality tracks available on iTunes. By paying for the subscription service, songs obtained through places other than the iTunes Music Store, such as from a ripped CD, will become authorized iTunes songs that can be re-downloaded on other devices through iCloud.
post #2 of 71
Too lazy to follow the match link, so I'll pick the brains here.

So if I have all my CD's ripped, and I buy one year of itunes match, then will it download the matching itunes, and the following year I can cancel the itunes match and still have the higher quality matches?
post #3 of 71
It's on Software Updates too.
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post #4 of 71
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Too lazy to follow the match link, so I'll pick the brains here.

So if I have all my CD's ripped, and I buy one year of itunes match, then will it download the matching itunes, and the following year I can cancel the itunes match and still have the higher quality matches?

Short answer, yes. You would need to let iTunes Match do its thing, delete all the songs from your computer, then spend the time and bandwidth redownloading all the songs from iTunes Match. Once you do that, you could cancel, you'l just lose access to the songs from the cloud.
post #5 of 71
Can somebody tell me if it's build 132?
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Can somebody tell me if it's build 132?

According to About iTunes, it's build 141. Hope that helps.
post #7 of 71
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Originally Posted by airnerd View Post

Too lazy to follow the match link, so I'll pick the brains here.

So if I have all my CD's ripped, and I buy one year of itunes match, then will it download the matching itunes, and the following year I can cancel the itunes match and still have the higher quality matches?

I'll have to double-check, but you are paying for the cloud service. This means that if you have a ripped song in your iTunes, iTunes Match will find that song and make it available to your other cloud devices. You can then download that song to those devices. However... if you cancel your subscription, then your music is no longer stored in the cloud, meaning it's not available to your devices.

You'd have to read the fine print to see what this means for your original ripped music.
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The company noted in the release notes that iTunes 10.5 no longer requires or includes QuickTime.

Woah!
post #9 of 71
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Originally Posted by airnerd View Post

Too lazy to follow the match link, so I'll pick the brains here.

So if I have all my CD's ripped, and I buy one year of itunes match, then will it download the matching itunes, and the following year I can cancel the itunes match and still have the higher quality matches?

You will still have access to the tracks you've downloaded from iTunes match after your account expires. The only thing you lose is access to downloading the music from Match from computers and devices. If you have all of the files on your computer, they are yours to sync and do whatever with (they are just AAC files without DRM and with a tag saying they're downloaded from iCloud).


Also, I wanted to throw out that Apple is probably going to have a lot of hiccups with Match. Neither iOS not iTunes is "ready"; they both seem like they're getting there but not quite solid yet.
post #10 of 71
Having issues with mine. I downloaded through Software update and now itunes won't launch. I get message "this version of itunes is not properly configured". Any ideas?
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Neither iOS not iTunes is "ready"; they both seem like they're getting there but not quite solid yet.

Do you mean in terms of iTunes match or overall?

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Having issues with mine. I downloaded through Software update and now itunes won't launch. I get message "this version of itunes is not properly configured". Any ideas?

I suggest you grab the standalone installer at http://www.apple.com/itunes/ and reinstall.
post #13 of 71
I assume that wireless sync works only to devices with iOS 5, right? So, those of us updating our iOS 4.3.x devices to iOS 5 tomorrow will need one last tethered sync.
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I suggest you grab the standalone installer at http://www.apple.com/itunes/ and reinstall.

Been trying to, the page won't load completely in Safari, and I can't get the dl button to do it. Very odd. I'm guessing Apple is having some issues...

It also won't work in Firefox. I can get the button on the page that says "download itunes 10.5'" but nothing happens when I click on it. DL doesn't start.
post #15 of 71
I am assuming that there will be a Lion update that will give an iCloud option under accounts in Address Book and iCal, for instance. Also an iCloud icon in System Preferences to sign up? Will iTunes sync with the iOS 5 device wirelessly but work similar to iOS 4 otherwise? Thanks.
post #16 of 71
Figured it out in Firefox. It was a script blocker extension that was the issue. I "allowed Apple.com" and it is now downloading.
post #17 of 71
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I assume that wireless sync works only to devices with iOS 5, right? So, those of us updating our iOS 4.3.x devices to iOS 5 tomorrow will need one last tethered sync.

yep. After you get iOS 5 on your devices you will have the choice of tethered or wireless syncing and data restoring. If I recall correctly if something goes south with the device to the point of needed a factory restore of the base software that still has to be tethered. But once you finish you can input your iCloud deets and continue off the wire

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post #18 of 71
Everything working ok here except for one big thing. My iPhone won't synch to it now It shows up on the sidebar and the sych indicator starts to move but then I get the beach ball and and "Application not responding". That will have me messed up for tomorrow's update if something doesn't change quick!
post #19 of 71
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Originally Posted by hypoluxa View Post

Been trying to, the page won't load completely in Safari, and I can't get the dl button to do it. Very odd. I'm guessing Apple is having some issues...

It also won't work in Firefox. I can get the button on the page that says "download itunes 10.5'" but nothing happens when I click on it. DL doesn't start.

When is the last time you opened disk utility & ran a permissions repair, might give that a try.
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Will do that. I got it to download from the site and it installed successfully, but it still hangs when trying to launch it. Does iTunes have any issues when 10.6 is booted in to the 64bit kernel? Mine is booted in 64bit mode, and itunes 10.3 worked fine.
post #21 of 71
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Everything working ok here except for one big thing. My iPhone won't synch to it now It shows up on the sidebar and the sych indicator starts to move but then I get the beach ball and and "Application not responding". That will have me messed up for tomorrow's update if something doesn't change quick!

OK I left it alone for a good 5 minutes or so and the sync started so I guess it had to think about it for a while
post #22 of 71
Interestingly, the picture on the iTunes standalone download page shows iTunes Match!
post #23 of 71
Arrgghhh! Still no dice. itunes 10.5 (under 10.6.8 w/all updates installed) will not launch. Hangs completely every-time. I've reset the pram, fixed disk permissions, reinstalled twice. Still a no go. >
post #24 of 71
Holy shit! I just waited a few minutes... and I tried launching it again and it worked! I am totally clueless with what it could have been.
post #25 of 71
I bought a song from the store using my Mac, and when it was about 75% downloaded it was already on my 3GS.
post #26 of 71
10.5 is working now. But I am back to my original problem when Itunes 10.4 came out. I can not drag drop songs from my library into a new playlist I made. the drag n drop functionality is locked or whatever, will not work. I can right mouse click on the song and use the contextual menus to 'add to" but not the easy drag n drop.

Hence I reverted back to tunes 10.3 and everything was as it should be with the drag n drop functionality.

Any ideas with what the issue could be? I am stumped.
post #27 of 71
I'm just psyched that Quicktime isn't included anymore! 1 small step...
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post #28 of 71
Also a new 10.5.1 beta including Match was just released on the dev site. Looks like another iTunes update later this month when Match goes live.
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I haven't gotten an answer to this question yet....any help?

"---iCloud will push all my music to my "devices." I have two computers with two different libraries...one at work (PC) and one at home (Mac). I don't want to intermingle these libraries, because my personal stuff is not necessarily appropriate for the school in which I work. I sync my iPhone to the personal computer, obviously. My question is...can I maintain two separate libraries while still using one Apple ID for purchases on each respective machine? Or is iCloud going to unify everything on my devices and my laptops? "
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post #30 of 71
Still not live on the uk site and the ability to re download music, which is the thing I most want, still not live. The beta for wifi sync was amazing though. Love that when my iTunes is open it finds my iPhone and iPad. Can't wait till Friday!
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I'm just psyched that Quicktime isn't included anymore! 1 small step...

I don't understand - is this a good thing?

Why was Quicktime included in the first place?
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You will still have access to the tracks you've downloaded from iTunes match after your account expires. The only thing you lose is access to downloading the music from Match from computers and devices. If you have all of the files on your computer, they are yours to sync and do whatever with (they are just AAC files without DRM and with a tag saying they're downloaded from iCloud).


Also, I wanted to throw out that Apple is probably going to have a lot of hiccups with Match. Neither iOS not iTunes is "ready"; they both seem like they're getting there but not quite solid yet.

I have at last count 42872 itunes songs. Too bad for me you are limited to 25000.
post #33 of 71
Wow. Do you guys also like to exercise by jogging along the middle of the freeway at night? Wearing black clothes? Because there is no way in heck I'm going to install 10.5.1. right now. Why be a guinea pig? Wait until the bugs are worked out. I have a 4TB music collection I've collected and tagged extensively over 8 years, and no way, no how, am I going to risk it in even a small way by being an early adopter here. I'm on 10.4.1 and it's served me well. I'm sure it can continue to do so for another month or so, so why should I hurry in switching to 10.5.1. Heck, I'm still on Snow Leopard 10.6.8, and in no hurry to go to Lion. But I'll be happy to read about people's experiences of 10.5.1.
post #34 of 71
No iTunes Match or iTunes in the Cloud for me, is it US-only?

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post #35 of 71
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Arrgghhh! Still no dice. itunes 10.5 (under 10.6.8 w/all updates installed) will not launch. Hangs completely every-time. I've reset the pram, fixed disk permissions, reinstalled twice. Still a no go. >

Try starting it in 32-bit mode. I'm sure you know but in case you don't, it's just a tick box in the Get Info window for iTunes. Highlight iTunes in Applications, right-click and Get Info. Or Press CMD-I.
post #36 of 71
iTunes in the cloud, otherwise known as the ability to re download stuff, was an American exclusive since june I believe. It's listed as coming soon in the uk but no comment from apple or any rumours of when it will go live. Was hoping today or tomorrow as I'm on holiday and used my friends laptop to up grade to GM release and so have no music on my iPhone at the moment. 500 mile drive on Thursday and would love to have some tunes.
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I don't understand - is this a good thing?

Why was Quicktime included in the first place?

It always was with the Windows version because iTunes ran on a QuickTime layer or something. I don't think it matters a lot to Mac users but it's a big deal for Windows users, a lot of whom loath QuickTime for whatever reason and many of whom don't need/want QuickTime for any other use but iTunes.

I have noticed that when I watch a film full screen in iTunes now, even though it appears to be a QuickTime video it doesn't respond to the QuickTime trackpad gestures. I guess the similarities stem from the Cocoa APIs.
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iTunes in the cloud, otherwise known as the ability to re download stuff, was an American exclusive since june I believe. It's listed as coming soon in the uk but no comment from apple or any rumours of when it will go live. Was hoping today or tomorrow as I'm on holiday and used my friends laptop to up grade to GM release and so have no music on my iPhone at the moment. 500 mile drive on Thursday and would love to have some tunes.

Re-downloading stuff is not part of iTunes Match, it's available to everyone as of iTunes 10.5.

iTunes Match means that all your songs obtained from sources other than iTunes can be downloaded from iTunes, giving you 256kbps AAC quality and the ability to download any music you own on a mobile device from anywhere, even if you did not buy that song on iTunes originally.

I believe it's not had the green light for the UK yet, but I'm not certain. It's a fluid situation. Personally, I'm really not interested in it. I think they'll try to charge for a year to two and then give up and make it a standard feature. We'll see.
post #39 of 71
That's why I said iTunes in the cloud not iTunes match which is supposed to be by early next year. . iTunes match doesn't interest me either. In the cloud does as there have been a few times that I've accidentally lost music that I've bought through not syncing purchases before applying a beta. Would be nice to re download these songs but the whole matching doesn't really seem worth it especially with the new iPhone being 64gb. My collections only just over 34 gb so matching will not be an issue.
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Also, I wanted to throw out that Apple is probably going to have a lot of hiccups with Match. Neither iOS not iTunes is "ready"; they both seem like they're getting there but not quite solid yet.


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