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Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

He has a valid point. If you offer a service, you should be able to support the service. How would you like to buy a car with a new nav system only to find the highly touted voice-activated nav system didn't work half the time?

Apple (or any other company) needs to understand this.

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Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

My main annoyance with Siri is not the artificial limitation Apple has imposed on the hardware...that is just business. The problem I have is Siri cannot accept simple commands like "Open Music", "Open Calendar", "Open ??? App". Siri states she cannot do this. Windows Phone 7 Mango can do this with no problem. I can also hold entire text conversations on Mango where the phone reads the text and lets me speak my new text. Now, Siri is MUCH better at voice recognition, I am just confused why it cannot do simple commands such as Open Apps, Close Apps, Shutdown Phone, etc etc. Maybe Apple will add these features in later...

A couple of things:

1. Siri is a beta -- that means that Apple needs to measure how well it recognizes and handles:
1.1 speech to text translation
1.2 AI - conversational, contextual text analysis
1.3 How well Apple's servers and backbone can handle the expected load

A simple text to speech translation of simple predefined commands to specific predefined apps in not what Siri does. Though, Siri could certainly degrade to the existing voice command system (as on the iP4) if the network is unavailable.

What Siri does is more general speech to text translation -- more recognizable words, commands, questions, statements... etc. The files are rather large to cache on the phone -- even if the translation could take place there. But, Apple would have no way to measure the effectiveness, or learn what the user was trying to get Siri to do -- without sending the files to its servers.

The same goes for the AI - conversational, contextual text analysis -- a larger vocabulary means an incrementally larger database of words to analyze -- as well as saving the context of the conversation.

Again, the beta is a learning opportunity for Apple on how to improve the process -- it is very valuable to capture this information -- where it can be analyzed in depth, over time -- to compare requests from multiple users/origins.


Siri needs to analyze what it is doing (well and poorly) so it can become more capable.


By calling Siri a beta Apple is telling customers that this is an unproven service that Apple wants to offer... you should expect problems with a beta.

By limiting Siri to the new, limited availability iPhone 4S, Apple, essentially, limited the scope of the initial beta -- and even then there were: problems, analysis, fixes... repeat -- that's what a beta is.


Just imagine if Apple had opened Siri to any A4 or later, iPhone, Touch or iPad -- instead of 4 million [sometimes] frustrated 4S user, you would have over 100 million continually frustrated iDevice users -- not a good way to run a beta.
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post #162 of 220
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Originally Posted by Scafe2 View Post

Can Siri read out your messages and or emails etc ??

Siri can read, reply to, and send SMS text messages. But not emails. Can't read web pages either nor read back anything it retrieves from Wolfram Alpha... still it's amazing (when it can get a network connection).
post #163 of 220
So far, Siri has been nothing short of magical. Simply stunning. I am taken aback by how sophisticated it is. Can't believe it's a beta.

The ones whining about it here either have very poor luck (sorry!), or comprise the usual suspects (e.g., BB, CJ) who probably cannot afford the 4S (and think it's not much more than 'voice recognition').
post #164 of 220
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Originally Posted by anantksundaram View Post

So far, Siri has been nothing short of magical. Simply stunning. I am taken aback by how sophisticated it is. Can't believe it's a beta.

The amount of data it will collect will be quite impressive and over time, it should eventually turn it into the modern equivalent of HAL 9000:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHJkAYdT7qo

At least it has a sense of humour:

Daniel Eran: I'm looking for breakfast in Cow Hollow
Siri: if you say so

post #165 of 220
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Originally Posted by Marvin View Post

The amount of data it will collect will be quite impressive and over time, it should eventually turn it into the modern equivalent of HAL 9000:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHJkAYdT7qo

At least it has a sense of humour:

Daniel Eran: I'm looking for breakfast in Cow Hollow
Siri: if you say so


LOL Great Vid!
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post #166 of 220
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Originally Posted by lamewing View Post

He has a valid point. If you offer a service, you should be able to support the service. How would you like to buy a car with a new nav system only to find the highly touted voice-activated nav system didn't work half the time?

Ford and Microsoft have already pioneered voice-activated nav systems that don't work half the time:
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/03/30/f...a-buggy-start/

Don't worry. As long as Microsoft software doesn't control any major safety systems (airbags, brakes, etc.) you should survive without air conditioning or music or nav.

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post #167 of 220
Curious as to no one is questioning why the iPhone 4 doesn't have SIRI. Since it's a server side app the original 4 should have no problems running it. Besides I already had SIRI before they shut it off. Nice upgrade Apple. Thanks for nothing. And no, I can't get a 4S, my phones too new.
post #168 of 220
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Originally Posted by Woffles View Post

Curious as to no one is questioning why the iPhone 4 doesn't have SIRI. Since it's a server side app the original 4 should have no problems running it. Besides I already had SIRI before they shut it off. Nice upgrade Apple. Thanks for nothing. And no, I can't get a 4S, my phones too new.

More money for the Apple coffers?
post #169 of 220
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Originally Posted by Woffles View Post

Curious as to no one is questioning why the iPhone 4 doesn't have SIRI.

Hundreds are. Curious as to why you don't notice them.

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Since it's a server side app the original 4 should have no problems running it.

It doesn't, as seen in many videos.

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And no, I can't get a 4S, my phones too new.

That's a virtual impossibility, not a physical one. There's a big difference.
post #170 of 220
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Originally Posted by Jacksons View Post

This, fellow readers, is an example of "justifying with logic".

No, this is being realistic... like most people in the world. Not everyone expects technology to instantly be perfect and do everything in the world for them. Most people understand that in the real world, devices like this can be extremely useful... in spite of not being perfect.

I think this is why it's so hard for people on forums like this to understand why people can be overjoyed at devices like the iPhone 4S... in spite of a few shortcomings. In the real world most people are not sitting around finding those shortcomings and dwelling on them... we're trying to get real shit accomplished in our lives. If any device makes that stuff easier to accomplish... then that's a big win!
post #171 of 220
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

A couple of things:

1. Siri is a beta -- that means that Apple needs to measure how well it recognizes and handles:
1.1 speech to text translation
1.2 AI - conversational, contextual text analysis
1.3 How well Apple's servers and backbone can handle the expected load

A simple text to speech translation of simple predefined commands to specific predefined apps in not what Siri does. Though, Siri could certainly degrade to the existing voice command system (as on the iP4) if the network is unavailable.

What Siri does is more general speech to text translation -- more recognizable words, commands, questions, statements... etc. The files are rather large to cache on the phone -- even if the translation could take place there. But, Apple would have no way to measure the effectiveness, or learn what the user was trying to get Siri to do -- without sending the files to its servers.

The same goes for the AI - conversational, contextual text analysis -- a larger vocabulary means an incrementally larger database of words to analyze -- as well as saving the context of the conversation.

Again, the beta is a learning opportunity for Apple on how to improve the process -- it is very valuable to capture this information -- where it can be analyzed in depth, over time -- to compare requests from multiple users/origins.


Siri needs to analyze what it is doing (well and poorly) so it can become more capable.


By calling Siri a beta Apple is telling customers that this is an unproven service that Apple wants to offer... you should expect problems with a beta.

By limiting Siri to the new, limited availability iPhone 4S, Apple, essentially, limited the scope of the initial beta -- and even then there were: problems, analysis, fixes... repeat -- that's what a beta is.


Just imagine if Apple had opened Siri to any A4 or later, iPhone, Touch or iPad -- instead of 4 million [sometimes] frustrated 4S user, you would have over 100 million continually frustrated iDevice users -- not a good way to run a beta.

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Originally Posted by Woffles View Post

Curious as to no one is questioning why the iPhone 4 doesn't have SIRI. Since it's a server side app the original 4 should have no problems running it. Besides I already had SIRI before they shut it off. Nice upgrade Apple. Thanks for nothing. And no, I can't get a 4S, my phones too new.


Well... You're entitled, and therefore you shall have it!


If you had spent a little less time posting that you feel sorry for yourself, and a little more time reading the threads... You would find that this has been discussed many times -- including the above post of mine that was 6 posts above yours!



Restated... try to understand this... if the Siri beta was released on the iP4, Touch, iPad 1, iPad 2 -- there would be over 100 million iDevices trying to hit Apple's servers, simultaneously... and the beta would end in server overload -- and be of no use to Apple or the Beta Testers!

Some of us here, understand what a beta is and why it is offered in a limited, controlled environment.

Some of us here, were willing to pay ETFs, or whatever financial/time sacrifice to participate in the beta.

For God's sake Woz stood in line for hours to buy an iPhone 4S.

Others, apparently feel that the rules must be changed to include them -- just because they're them.


Unfortunately, the world doesn't work that way -- if you want to see the show, you gotta' buy a ticket!


Now, go run to your mommy -- and tell her that this old man on the Internet was mean to you!

Sheesh!
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post #172 of 220
I think Apple understands a significant part of the market wants a larger screen and will make this happen. I do not think Apple will make the phone larger though to achieve the larger screen. If you look at the face of the iPhone you will see a good chuck of the front is not the actual screen. Apple can get another quarter inch in the width by widening the screen to the edge. It can a half inch by expanding the screen vertically. It can probably get about an inch vertically if it reengineers the shape of the home button and the location of the speaker.


The iPhone design is excellent, but competition is tough. Apple will eventually have to move the stick again. I wouldn't be surprised if the case makers who were sure they knew a new design was coming were right but have the timing wrong. I don't see Apple releasing a new design though so soon. We might wait as long as a year.


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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

We know from very recent polls however, that even with all the hype about the bigger screens in the marketplace, and even given the fact that many many people fully expected a bigger screen this time, that only a measly 17% of people (in the USA) were disappointed when it didn't happen.

It's much more likely that a year from now, there will be even less people (than this small minority of US users), who will be interested in a larger screen.

Apple has a history of making products smaller, thinner, and lighter, usually without changing the screen size. Again, it's much more likely that next year's iPhone will be smaller, than bigger.

If they follow past practice, the next iPhone will have the same screen size, but all the components inside, outside, and around it, will shrink. Physically, the shell could be a quarter to a half inch smaller in two dimensions and still have the current screen size. They might be able to make it thinner as well.
post #173 of 220
Plenty people are questioning, but these are the same people who sometimes forget Apple is a company that unlike some of its competitors actually has to sell new phones to make money. For what it is worth, the Siri you had on your iPhone (as well as the one I had) is not the same Siri. Apple took that Siri and worked on it for two years. I'd assume it is much improved.

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Originally Posted by Woffles View Post

Curious as to no one is questioning why the iPhone 4 doesn't have SIRI. Since it's a server side app the original 4 should have no problems running it. Besides I already had SIRI before they shut it off. Nice upgrade Apple. Thanks for nothing. And no, I can't get a 4S, my phones too new.
post #174 of 220
It's amazing that nobody considers

(a) Apple would need to charge for the Siri app...remember FaceTime??? It's a pretty serious accounting issue since they've already booked the revenue for the 3gs and 4 models.

(b) Nobody, not even Microsoft, has ever done a 100 million user beta. Nobody could ever sanely predict that everything is in place to handle that kind of traffic. You can't emulate 100 million users.

(c) Even with the few problems Siri has now, they're getting slammed, why would they want to multiply that by, literally, 50?

(d) There are certain license fees that must be paid per device. Not all the technology involved in Siri is Apple-developed. Again, this is a huge accounting issue. Let's say that the license fees add up to, i dunno, $3.44 per phone. If Apple opens Siri to ALL iDevices, that's a lot of money!

(e) Finally, there's a bit more going on with the device itself. A lot of the data is shipped off to the servers for processing, but there's significant audio processing and factoring that happens on the phone as well. Yes, they could let it run crippled on the 3gs and 4, but suddenly their "triumph" would become "a feature that 100 million people are complaining about.

Seriously, Apple is not hell-bent on taking your money and forcing you to upgrade to a 4s. They'll get you on the iPhone 5, and they already can't make enough iPhones, iPads or MacBook Air's. If they could reasonably do it for "good will" or to make the competition look inferior they would. Think... "Why would I buy an Android or Mango when even a 3gs has Siri?"
post #175 of 220
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Originally Posted by Twelve View Post

(b) Nobody, not even Microsoft, has ever done a 100 million user beta.

That's correct. Vista was an alpha. HIYO!

All joking aside, your points are incredibly valid.
post #176 of 220
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Hundreds are. Curious as to why you don't notice them.



It doesn't, as seen in many videos.



That's a virtual impossibility, not a physical one. There's a big difference.


I was just talking about in this thread, not the world.

It doesn't run because Apple crippled it not to run, not because it can't.

If I don't have the cash lying around to blow on a new phone, trust me, it's a physical one not virtual.

Nice try at logic though, Next.
post #177 of 220
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Originally Posted by TBell View Post

Plenty people are questioning, but these are the same people who sometimes forget Apple is a company that unlike some of its competitors actually has to sell new phones to make money. For what it is worth, the Siri you had on your iPhone (as well as the one I had) is not the same Siri. Apple took that Siri and worked on it for two years. I'd assume it is much improved.

True, but why screw your current customers? I can see the iPhone 3 not being supported but I'm still on an iPhone 4. Just don't have the little S.

Just gets old and they aren't the only company doing it. As for Siri, it's still a server side application which was improved. I doubt there was a lot done on the phone side. It's just a front end which doesn't do any of the heavy lifting. I could run a Cray from my phone with a simple interface.
post #178 of 220
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Well... You're entitled, and therefore you shall have it!


If you had spent a little less time posting that you feel sorry for yourself, and a little more time reading the threads... You would find that this has been discussed many times -- including the above post of mine that was 6 posts above yours!



Restated... try to understand this... if the Siri beta was released on the iP4, Touch, iPad 1, iPad 2 -- there would be over 100 million iDevices trying to hit Apple's servers, simultaneously... and the beta would end in server overload -- and be of no use to Apple or the Beta Testers!

Some of us here, understand what a beta is and why it is offered in a limited, controlled environment.

Some of us here, were willing to pay ETFs, or whatever financial/time sacrifice to participate in the beta.

For God's sake Woz stood in line for hours to buy an iPhone 4S.

Others, apparently feel that the rules must be changed to include them -- just because they're them.


Unfortunately, the world doesn't work that way -- if you want to see the show, you gotta' buy a ticket!


Now, go run to your mommy -- and tell her that this old man on the Internet was mean to you!

Sheesh!

It's on a production phone. Who cares about Woz? I actually care about the user community as a whole instead of trying to score little points on threads like this. Hope you feel better about yourself putting me in my place! Not. Next.
post #179 of 220
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Originally Posted by Twelve View Post

It's amazing that nobody considers

(a) Apple would need to charge for the Siri app...remember FaceTime??? It's a pretty serious accounting issue since they've already booked the revenue for the 3gs and 4 models.

(b) Nobody, not even Microsoft, has ever done a 100 million user beta. Nobody could ever sanely predict that everything is in place to handle that kind of traffic. You can't emulate 100 million users.

(c) Even with the few problems Siri has now, they're getting slammed, why would they want to multiply that by, literally, 50?

(d) There are certain license fees that must be paid per device. Not all the technology involved in Siri is Apple-developed. Again, this is a huge accounting issue. Let's say that the license fees add up to, i dunno, $3.44 per phone. If Apple opens Siri to ALL iDevices, that's a lot of money!

(e) Finally, there's a bit more going on with the device itself. A lot of the data is shipped off to the servers for processing, but there's significant audio processing and factoring that happens on the phone as well. Yes, they could let it run crippled on the 3gs and 4, but suddenly their "triumph" would become "a feature that 100 million people are complaining about.

Seriously, Apple is not hell-bent on taking your money and forcing you to upgrade to a 4s. They'll get you on the iPhone 5, and they already can't make enough iPhones, iPads or MacBook Air's. If they could reasonably do it for "good will" or to make the competition look inferior they would. Think... "Why would I buy an Android or Mango when even a 3gs has Siri?"

I'm pretty sure "all" of the data is shipped off to servers for processing. Siri does absolutely nothing without a connection. What "significant" audio processing do you think is done on the phone itself? (serious question) I seriously would like answers and not the usual put downs that happen in these threads.
post #180 of 220
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Originally Posted by Woffles View Post

It doesn't run because Apple crippled it not to run, not because it can't.

Exactly. That's what I said.

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If I don't have the cash lying around to blow on a new phone, trust me, it's a physical one not virtual.

Good. You're sane. Not someone who randomly charges crap for the sake of it.

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Nice try at logic though, Next.

Nice try at random insults, though.
post #181 of 220
Do a Wireshark trace of the data. Only in cases where it's beyond interpretation does the full audio get sent.

If you're not up for looking at a network trace, or don't know what to look for...

Use Siri for a while and notice that it improves in accuracy. Then, disable Siri and re-enable it. Try the same requests. Notice that Siri doesn't function as well, but begins building back to its prior competency over time. Also, notice that it spends more time processing requests after you have disabled and re-enabled.
post #182 of 220
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Originally Posted by Woffles View Post

I'm pretty sure "all" of the data is shipped off to servers for processing. Siri does absolutely nothing without a connection. What "significant" audio processing do you think is done on the phone itself? (serious question) I seriously would like answers and not the usual put downs that happen in these threads.

I appreciate your questioning. It's a sign that your mind is functioning and I appreciate it.

Think, however, about how many different ways the "Siri" algorithm can be partitioned between phone and back-end servers, and what's best for the sake of latency, not to mention privacy.
post #183 of 220
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

That's correct. Vista was an alpha. HIYO!

All joking aside, your points are incredibly valid.

Re: Vista. Good one!

Facebook would've gone up in flames if they had 100 million users on day one of a major service. Oh wait! Facebook, Twitter, Google Search, Google Buzz, Google Voice and many other services blew up with FAR fewer (generally under 1 million users) on day one.

A new, unproven data architecture. A new, unproven data center. A new, unproven compute share model with various other companies. A new technology overall (the Siri algorithm). A new phone. Far more data to move than mere text or web pages. Multiple carriers. A new OS release. No clue whether their colocation centers would be able to handle all the traffic, or if their switches or servers or third-party software could handle the strain. No clue whether the code would scale properly.

Oh yeah. I know! Let's beta test with 100 million users so that we can take the world's most successful corporation and trash it like some tiny startup would do!

Just think for a moment about the level of accomplishment this is. It's akin to sending up the first Space Shuttle and bringing the astronauts back home safely.
post #184 of 220
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Originally Posted by Woffles View Post

True, but why screw your current customers? I can see the iPhone 3 not being supported but I'm still on an iPhone 4. Just don't have the little S.

Just gets old and they aren't the only company doing it. As for Siri, it's still a server side application which was improved. I doubt there was a lot done on the phone side. It's just a front end which doesn't do any of the heavy lifting. I could run a Cray from my phone with a simple interface.

I just don't understand this line of thinking. How are you "being screwed"? Didn't you purchase a phone for a caertain amount of money with a particular feature set at that time because you thought it represented a good value? Does your phone continue to have those features (plus more)?

Why do people feel entitled to new features? Did Apple (or anyone else) sell your phone to you under the pretense that you would get a voice activated personal assistant in a year? No. You bought the phone with the capabilities it had then (and it continues o have to this day).

As for the idea that "they are the only company doing that" that is absolute BS. There are millions of android phones out there that have been orphaned without OS upgrades. When MS switched to windows phone 7 it orphaned millions of windows mobile users. Technology progresses... be happy with what you have or work hard and save to get something better

Personally I've been on a 3G (non S!) since it came out. Sure, I would have loved to have some newer features (and I did get a tons of new features while I owned the phone) but I didn't begrudge Apple. My phone continued to work until I had enough money and wanted to snag a newer phone.

You got quite a bit for free with ios5... why all the animosity over something you never paid for nor were promised?
post #185 of 220
Can someone with a 4S test the following for me?

"Strewth Siri, you're a beaut bonza sheila, but can you tell me the best snag to chuck on me barbie?"
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post #186 of 220
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Originally Posted by diorfl21 View Post

I could care less if there were billions of new devices immediately accessing the Siri server my point is Apple should have planned for this. This is the 5th iPhone launch now and they STILL cant get it right ?! I have had each model and EVERY time its a nightmare ! I feel that Apple had MORE than enough time ( considering the phone didn't launch till Oct. ) to prepare for what they should have assumed would be a very successful launch! In this article I was trying to say that my partners works just fine, he was able to make routes, alarms and all no problems. We activated our phones at the same time and my experience was different than his! His Siri works very well, mine can't seem to connect to the network STILL! Kinks should have been expected and compensated for before the launch of this new phone and integrated app!

Looks to me like either your phone or the phone's user is the problem.
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post #187 of 220
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Originally Posted by hentaiboy View Post

Can someone with a 4S test the following for me?

"Strewth Siri, you're a beaut bonza sheila, but can you tell me the best snag to chuck on me barbie?"

Siri only supports English and a few other languages at this time.

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post #188 of 220
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Originally Posted by Woffles View Post

It's on a production phone. Who cares about Woz? I actually care about the user community as a whole instead of trying to score little points on threads like this. Hope you feel better about yourself putting me in my place! Not. Next.

i certainly can't put you in your place -- that's all your doing, and your responsibility.

Woz spent time -- something more valuable to him than money.

Again, you seem unable to understand that Siri is a beta. It is to Apple's (and ultimately, the user community's) advantage for this beta to be conducted as quickly and efficiently as possible.

Apple started this weekend with 4 million beta testers -- likely 25 million through December.

If Apple has difficnulty correcting the server issues -- it wouldn't be too surprising if Apple were to restrict the beta to the US and to the first, say, 10 million iPhone 4S handsets -- or those activated, say, before December 1.

You see, or should, that Apple is prepared to (and knows how to) satisfy the most users -- at the inconvenience of the few.
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post #189 of 220
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i just don't understand this line of thinking. How are you "being screwed"? Didn't you purchase a phone for a caertain amount of money with a particular feature set at that time because you thought it represented a good value? Does your phone continue to have those features (plus more)?

Why do people feel entitled to new features? Did apple (or anyone else) sell your phone to you under the pretense that you would get a voice activated personal assistant in a year? No. You bought the phone with the capabilities it had then (and it continues o have to this day).

As for the idea that "they are the only company doing that" that is absolute bs. There are millions of android phones out there that have been orphaned without os upgrades. When ms switched to windows phone 7 it orphaned millions of windows mobile users. Technology progresses... Be happy with what you have or work hard and save to get something better

personally i've been on a 3g (non s!) since it came out. Sure, i would have loved to have some newer features (and i did get a tons of new features while i owned the phone) but i didn't begrudge apple. My phone continued to work until i had enough money and wanted to snag a newer phone.

You got quite a bit for free with ios5... Why all the animosity over something you never paid for nor were promised?

+++ qft
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post #190 of 220
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Originally Posted by Twelve View Post

It's amazing that nobody considers

(a) Apple would need to charge for the Siri app...remember FaceTime??? It's a pretty serious accounting issue since they've already booked the revenue for the 3gs and 4 models.

(b) Nobody, not even Microsoft, has ever done a 100 million user beta. Nobody could ever sanely predict that everything is in place to handle that kind of traffic. You can't emulate 100 million users.

(c) Even with the few problems Siri has now, they're getting slammed, why would they want to multiply that by, literally, 50?

(d) There are certain license fees that must be paid per device. Not all the technology involved in Siri is Apple-developed. Again, this is a huge accounting issue. Let's say that the license fees add up to, i dunno, $3.44 per phone. If Apple opens Siri to ALL iDevices, that's a lot of money!

(e) Finally, there's a bit more going on with the device itself. A lot of the data is shipped off to the servers for processing, but there's significant audio processing and factoring that happens on the phone as well. Yes, they could let it run crippled on the 3gs and 4, but suddenly their "triumph" would become "a feature that 100 million people are complaining about.

Seriously, Apple is not hell-bent on taking your money and forcing you to upgrade to a 4s. They'll get you on the iPhone 5, and they already can't make enough iPhones, iPads or MacBook Air's. If they could reasonably do it for "good will" or to make the competition look inferior they would. Think... "Why would I buy an Android or Mango when even a 3gs has Siri?"

Finally a voice of reason!

Seriously, no company on earth has ever attempted something as ambitious as getting over 100 million customers worldwide to not only update their devices but get new firmware, software, apps AND icloud all at once.

I will say -- Apple, it's your own fault for some of the blow back. Personally, I got my updates on my ipad and iphone fine -- but Im a tech head. I knew when I was doing mine and seeing words like "restore" and "back up" etc with no real clear instructions or photos of steps your update would go through that in fact many many people would just believe they lost their data etc and that's what's happened lol! I knew people that literally pulled the plug on the process for fear they lost it all....

I would have waited on iCloud. That added such drama to an already HUGE update situation. I woulda rolled out iCloud in a couple of weeks after some of the dust settled with the new on-sale and added carrier drama.

I will say it seems Apple is still standing after this insanity and people like me are LOVING my new 4s. It is a nice piece of machinery period. The added features really give this phone a very sophisticated vibe, everything just seems so well put together. iMessage is the final death nail for Blackberry for sure.

Needless to say -- this is important! Apple scored HUGE with the 4s. They are saving a ton on this phone in many ways not to mention they now have inventory control for ONE DEVICE instead of two or three -- carrier wise. That will save on production, distribution, marketing, retail etc. Plus this phone apparently is cheaper because of lower price points on it's components. All around this iphone 4s is going to be Apple's biggest winner to date, you'll see. If you have one you know what Im talking about. Im really impressed.
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I just don't understand this line of thinking. How are you "being screwed"? Didn't you purchase a phone for a caertain amount of money with a particular feature set at that time because you thought it represented a good value? Does your phone continue to have those features (plus more)?

Why do people feel entitled to new features? Did Apple (or anyone else) sell your phone to you under the pretense that you would get a voice activated personal assistant in a year? No. You bought the phone with the capabilities it had then (and it continues o have to this day).

As for the idea that "they are the only company doing that" that is absolute BS. There are millions of android phones out there that have been orphaned without OS upgrades. When MS switched to windows phone 7 it orphaned millions of windows mobile users. Technology progresses... be happy with what you have or work hard and save to get something better

Personally I've been on a 3G (non S!) since it came out. Sure, I would have loved to have some newer features (and I did get a tons of new features while I owned the phone) but I didn't begrudge Apple. My phone continued to work until I had enough money and wanted to snag a newer phone.

You got quite a bit for free with ios5... why all the animosity over something you never paid for nor were promised?

Agreed. Who said any of us are "owed" anything? I mean who would make any fricking money if a company just wanted to placate cry baby's all day.. I bet this guy was one of the shrill's moaning how Apple screwed everybody by not releasing a true new 5 Model...

Um, here's some food for thought. I had a Iphone 4. I sold it on ebay on Wednesday last week. Guess how much??? $377! Tell me how many fricking devices you've bought in your fricking lifetime that have APPRECIATED value in a year and a half. Name any?? Right, you can't. (Limited to tech devices).. If anything "I" feel I OWE Apple for PROTECTING MY ASSET ..... Obviously their strategies have worked IN OUR BENEFIT, DOH! What in hell are people thinking here?

WTF would I think Apple "owed" me or anybody else anything when I was able to SELL my old phone AT A PROFIT and buy me a new iphone 4s because "I" wanted to.. Get it?

iOS 5 on iphone 4 was a HUGE fricking upgrade. You just got a brand new phone, basically, Doh!!!!!!
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Agreed. Who said any of us are "owed" anything? I mean who would make any fricking money if a company just wanted to placate cry baby's all day.. I bet this guy was one of the shrill's moaning how Apple screwed everybody by not releasing a true new 5 Model...

Um, here's some food for thought. I had a Iphone 4. I sold it on ebay on Wednesday last week. Guess how much??? $377! Tell me how many fricking devices you've bought in your fricking lifetime that have APPRECIATED value in a year and a half. Name any?? Right, you can't. (Limited to tech devices).. If anything "I" feel I OWE Apple for PROTECTING MY ASSET ..... Obviously their strategies have worked IN OUR BENEFIT, DOH! What in hell are people thinking here?

WTF would I think Apple "owed" me or anybody else anything when I was able to SELL my old phone AT A PROFIT and buy me a new iphone 4s because "I" wanted to.. Get it?

iOS 5 on iphone 4 was a HUGE fricking upgrade. You just got a brand new phone, basically, Doh!!!!!!

Oh yeah, I'm just a little shrill whatever that is. Let's see. Bought an iPhone through Verizon. Was promised by Apple I believe that they would stay the same across the board. Was lied to basically. Bought it expecting 4.3 upgrade. Never showed up. Spent the better part of a year waiting till this upgrade finally came out. Hmm, guess that was somehow my fault? What a moron I was for believing Apple and Verizon, huh? I really only wanted one feature from that upgrade. The ability to play my videos straight to my Apple TV, the reason I bought that also. No apology, no sorry it took so long? The Apple shrills will defend them though not realizing they are approving companies to screw the common public. Really? Wow.

Ooh, it's a whole new phone. Look, alerts! Welcome to 2008. iMessage, actually cool. Reminders, worthless without Siri. Twitter??? Ooh I can now enhance my photos. Oh, wait. I could already do that. Better Safari, let me run to that flash site now. Just kidding, it would cut into Apples profits. Calendar is still lame, use Week Cal myself. Air play mirroring, wrong again. That was the "only" update I actually wanted. Could care less about the rest. I'd like to use my iPad or iPhone for presentations but the creators of Air Play can't even put it into their own software. Lame.

Really guys. It's just a phone. I've only wanted two features added so far. One finally got here what 7 or 8 months later. The other one Apple won't let you have unless you buy a new phone, even though my phone is still pretty much new and I paid money for the software waiting to get the upgrade. Fact is the iPhone really only stands on the strength of its apps. Otherwise I would have stuck with Android. It's just annoying when you are looking to gain one whole feature and they block it so you can't get it on your current phone. Anyone here seriously think the iPhone 4 can't do a simple slide show over Airplay? Marketing are @ssholes.

Wow, you sold a $600 dollar phone for $377? You must be a genius at business! That's a joke, don't get your panties in a wad.

Are we having fun yet? Oh, for any of you that don't think Apple "owes" you anything. Who the heck do you think makes them possible? It's you, not them. Your hard earned dollars built Apple. They didn't do it on their own. Course with Apple, the customer is never right. Sad way to run a business. Makes Microsoft look nice.
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Oh yeah, I'm just a little shrill whatever that is. Let's see. Bought an iPhone through Verizon. Was promised by Apple I believe that they would stay the same across the board. Was lied to basically. Bought it expecting 4.3 upgrade. Never showed up. Spent the better part of a year waiting till this upgrade finally came out. Hmm, guess that was somehow my fault? What a moron I was for believing Apple and Verizon, huh? I really only wanted one feature from that upgrade. The ability to play my videos straight to my Apple TV, the reason I bought that also. No apology, no sorry it took so long? The Apple shrills will defend them though not realizing they are approving companies to screw the common public. Really? Wow.

Ooh, it's a whole new phone. Look, alerts! Welcome to 2008. iMessage, actually cool. Reminders, worthless without Siri. Twitter??? Ooh I can now enhance my photos. Oh, wait. I could already do that. Better Safari, let me run to that flash site now. Just kidding, it would cut into Apples profits. Calendar is still lame, use Week Cal myself. Air play mirroring, wrong again. That was the "only" update I actually wanted. Could care less about the rest. I'd like to use my iPad or iPhone for presentations but the creators of Air Play can't even put it into their own software. Lame.

Really guys. It's just a phone. I've only wanted two features added so far. One finally got here what 7 or 8 months later. The other one Apple won't let you have unless you buy a new phone, even though my phone is still pretty much new and I paid money for the software waiting to get the upgrade. Fact is the iPhone really only stands on the strength of its apps. Otherwise I would have stuck with Android. It's just annoying when you are looking to gain one whole feature and they block it so you can't get it on your current phone. Anyone here seriously think the iPhone 4 can't do a simple slide show over Airplay? Marketing are @ssholes.

Wow, you sold a $600 dollar phone for $377? You must be a genius at business! That's a joke, don't get your panties in a wad.

Are we having fun yet? Oh, for any of you that don't think Apple "owes" you anything. Who the heck do you think makes them possible? It's you, not them. Your hard earned dollars built Apple. They didn't do it on their own. Course with Apple, the customer is never right. Sad way to run a business. Makes Microsoft look nice.

I didn't see anything in your list that Apple promised and didn't deliver. Have you considered that your expectations were, perhaps, entirely of your own making?
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Oh yeah, I'm just a little shrill whatever that is. Let's see. Bought an iPhone through Verizon. Was promised by Apple I believe that they would stay the same across the board. Was lied to basically. Bought it expecting 4.3 upgrade. Never showed up. Spent the better part of a year waiting till this upgrade finally came out. Hmm, guess that was somehow my fault? What a moron I was for believing Apple and Verizon, huh? I really only wanted one feature from that upgrade. The ability to play my videos straight to my Apple TV, the reason I bought that also. No apology, no sorry it took so long? The Apple shrills will defend them though not realizing they are approving companies to screw the common public. Really? Wow.

Ooh, it's a whole new phone. Look, alerts! Welcome to 2008. iMessage, actually cool. Reminders, worthless without Siri. Twitter??? Ooh I can now enhance my photos. Oh, wait. I could already do that. Better Safari, let me run to that flash site now. Just kidding, it would cut into Apples profits. Calendar is still lame, use Week Cal myself. Air play mirroring, wrong again. That was the "only" update I actually wanted. Could care less about the rest. I'd like to use my iPad or iPhone for presentations but the creators of Air Play can't even put it into their own software. Lame.

Really guys. It's just a phone. I've only wanted two features added so far. One finally got here what 7 or 8 months later. The other one Apple won't let you have unless you buy a new phone, even though my phone is still pretty much new and I paid money for the software waiting to get the upgrade. Fact is the iPhone really only stands on the strength of its apps. Otherwise I would have stuck with Android. It's just annoying when you are looking to gain one whole feature and they block it so you can't get it on your current phone. Anyone here seriously think the iPhone 4 can't do a simple slide show over Airplay? Marketing are @ssholes.

Wow, you sold a $600 dollar phone for $377? You must be a genius at business! That's a joke, don't get your panties in a wad.

Are we having fun yet? Oh, for any of you that don't think Apple "owes" you anything. Who the heck do you think makes them possible? It's you, not them. Your hard earned dollars built Apple. They didn't do it on their own. Course with Apple, the customer is never right. Sad way to run a business. Makes Microsoft look nice.

Caveat emptor.
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Caveat emptor.

True!
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I didn't see anything in your list that Apple promised and didn't deliver. Have you considered that your expectations were, perhaps, entirely of your own making?

Maybe. 7+ months is still excessive to me. Is wanting two whole features greedy on my part? Two, count them. Air play video and Air play Keynote. That's it. Siri, I already had and lost. We'll see if that comes back. That's just an annoyance. In the end I may get the Airplay feature.

It's just plain stupid that their software didn't have it to start with. I guess I'd make a lousy businessman actually giving customers the features they wanted and not nickel and diming them to death.
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Does this forum support -ignore- lists?
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I think people might have forgotten that when you ask siri a bunch of questions it looks for context in what you ask & what you asked it before, so jumping from random topic wasnt a very good test, he seemed to figure it out that you can reset the search, so i guess you have to do that whenever you change topic?.
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Siri needs to analyze what it is doing (well and poorly) so it can become more capable.


I'd be interested to know how it is getting this feedback.

Where the user does not proceed with something that siri comes back with, do they check what was recorded vs what siri came up with?

Where the user has to manually correct text that siri comes up with (for example, the body of a text message), do they also send the text message up to the siri servers to compare with what siri came up with?
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Oh yeah, I'm just a little shrill whatever that is. ...

I'd say very shrill...
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