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Trying to test Siri on a friend's 4S this evening was completely unsuccessful. It understood the words just fine - reproducing them on the screen - but then, after 10 or 15 seconds, responded that something "seemed to have gone wrong" and to "try again". I'm wondering if it is another case of the servers being swamped.

Siri may not be ready for Prime Time. Wonder why Apple made a front and center feature of it, rather than introduce it as an also-ran, given it is Beta.
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Hasn't anyone else heard about Apple's own proprietary iMessage service? That would allow some of us to dump our carrier's high price (and for the carrier, very high profit) messaging plans?

Go to my LINK!

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post #83 of 220
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Did you watch the video?

And you saw emails being read?
post #84 of 220
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Originally Posted by jakevin. View Post

you learn what it responds to and how it will feel about what you're saying and you know exactly what to say. I'm sure each person who uses it will see improvements and realise when to say things such as 'start over'. My iPhone 4S is still awaiting delivery but I'll be using Siri for hours when it does!

I assume Siri will reach '1.0' status alongside iPad 3 in the spring of 2012. Then we'll see updates with each iOS increment. Give it a year and it will be extraordinary.

The next great thing is always extraordinary.

For now, a user having to learn how to do "natural language" seems counterintuitive.
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I have not upgraded my iPhone yet however on the iPad the icon is Messages but the application is iMessage which we did not have before on the iPad. It is interesting to me that you can test which of your friends has upgrade to iOS 5 because iMessage tests the to: address before it starts working and if the person is not registered with iMessage it doesn't let you and flags it with a red remove warning.

Thanks, I knew we were getting iMessage, I wasn't sure were it was.
So, it's just incorporated into 'Messages'?
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Originally Posted by helia

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post #87 of 220
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Originally Posted by The-Steve View Post

"Change 500 mexican pesos into US dollars."

This is not a *question*; why are you surprised that there is no answer?

Because your "personal assistant" should respond to commands.
post #88 of 220
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

I can see you're upset and I don't want to add to it by being insulting, but I find both of your posts very confusing. It's very hard to understand what you are doing/describing or what you want Siri to do. Perhaps Siri thinks so also.

I agree, the swan 930 is confusing, and I wouldn't want Siri to achieve consciousness and think humans are an idiot species that is only fit for termination. It could mean tickets to see The Swan at 9:30, or it could be a place called Swan 930.

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Originally Posted by addicted44 View Post

Huh? In an article talking about Siri, why in the world are you bringing up the flow and navigation capabilities of the 2 OS'es, and then blaming DED for "spinning".

Is DED supposed to compare every possible part of every smartphone OS (including one that isn't even top 3) in every article he writes, or otherwise is open to accusations of "spinning"?



No comparison to existing solutions belong in any reviews.

That would be as Black as everything, and DED's first impressions were Pure White.
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Originally Posted by addabox View Post

Better yet, try asking a Windows or Android phone that and see how far it gets you. I'm astonished at the blinkers some partisans are willing to put on to ignore what Siri is.

You do realize that WP7 automatically send its request to Bing if it is not a phone command, right?

Now go to Bing and type in all those Siri questions and see what happens...

Find bars in London
weather in paris
How many ounces in a pound
Square root of 345

I am not saying it will do the "siri personality" questions... but go ahead... try it... you may surprise yourself.

Note: I still don't understand why I would want to say to my phone: "Is it sunny in Paris or should I bring an umbrella?" when I can simply say "Paris weather" and get the same answer.
post #92 of 220
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

Did you watch the video?

And you saw emails being read?
post #93 of 220
I found it odd that Siri could find the Washington Monument the first time I asked, but not the Statue of Liberty even after several attempts.
post #94 of 220
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Originally Posted by foxhunter101 View Post

Thanks, I knew we were getting iMessage, I wasn't sure were it was.
So, it's just incorporated into 'Messages'?


I still don't understand why they don't let you have 3G txt service from your carrier on the iPad 3G model. I built my own txt service using an older dumb phone plugged into a linux box so I can txt from my own web page but that is rather hacker-ish workaround. The replies come in as emails. Most of my friends are on iPhones so as they upgrade it might become a non issue.

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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

The next great thing is always extraordinary.

For now, a user having to learn how to do "natural language" seems counterintuitive.

Even people misunderstand other native speakers living in the same culture. But I agree with your statement, one expects "natural language" to at least be as effective as taking to a stranger. If Siri is anything like IBM Watson, it is only capable of parsing the structure of sentences, but ascertaining meaning is not truly possible; these systems really perform a heuristic search against a gigantic database, and return the best possible answer. Even Watson made mistakes.

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post #96 of 220
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Originally Posted by muppetry View Post

It's pretty obvious that some people would like a larger screen, while others prefer the existing size. Why do you assume that your preference is more correct, especially since the iPhone, with its tiny screen, continues to outsell every other phone and break launch sales records?

People will buy the i4s despite the small screen. Could be that the bigger screen will follow Real Soon Now on the i5.

Everybody wanted one, but nobody expected an i5 this time around. It all depends on 4G rollout rates. Apple makes plenty of moolah on the 4s. The i5 will come out if and when it becomes worth it, either because it then will have a reasonable profit margin, or because Apple thinks it will be worth it to take a margin hit to get the increased volume.

Until then, NO i5 FOR YOU!
post #97 of 220
how do you get "wife" "husband" "brother" et al into siri
do you have to add these as separate entries to contacts or what
is there some settings or training necessary
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post #98 of 220
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Originally Posted by Prof. Peabody View Post

We know from very recent polls however, that even with all the hype about the bigger screens in the marketplace, and even given the fact that many many people fully expected a bigger screen this time, that only a measly 17% of people (in the USA) were disappointed when it didn't happen.

Beullshit. You know how many were fatally disappointed by one thing or another, or maybe everything put together, and you use that to falsely calculate how many were disappointed with the screen size?

That doesn't follow.

Sheesh.
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I've tried all of my local drinking haunts and got 100% failure on "Tabard", unsurprisingly siri thinks I was talking about iPads and translated it as "Tablet". "The Raven" worked most of the time except for a few "Rhythms" but siri's favourite pub in West London is "The Duchess of Cambridge" which was 100% correct.


Get all your favorite Pub owners to advertise with Apple. That might go a long ways towards getting them recognized. Maybe multiple reviews on one of those consumer feedback websites? Which ones is Apple getting money from? Figure that out and likely you'll find Siri responding "The Swan" to any little snippet of anything that it hears.
post #100 of 220
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Originally Posted by bettieblue View Post

So if the iPhone 4S came out with a 4inch screen do you doubt for 1 second that everyone would be praising the 4inch retina display?

Everyone would, and nobody would complain.
post #101 of 220
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Originally Posted by redhanded View Post

For me, it won't read emails but it will read new text messages.

how do you initiate siri to do that?
when you get a text press home button
tell siri to"read text?

to bad you couldnt have a setting pref to do that

i got it to work with my honda BT system when i opened siri it came through speakers i spoke out my text message and "send"
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post #102 of 220
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Originally Posted by Tallest Skil View Post

No, but that's why there are two microphones on the iPhone, I thought.

If it won't work without a headset, it is DOA.
post #103 of 220
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Originally Posted by redhanded View Post

I tried email body text of "meet me at the swan for 9:30 PM," and got "meet me at the 14 9:30PM" (that confused me until I realised 14 was "one four" rather than "fourteen"...)

"Wales" (the country) is a tough one and I was expecting something like "Whales" (the sea mammal) rather than "Wheels". siri obviously doesn't follow the rugby world cup.

I've tried all of my local drinking haunts and got 100% failure on "Tabard", unsurprisingly siri thinks I was talking about iPads and translated it as "Tablet". "The Raven" worked most of the time except for a few "Rhythms" but siri's favourite pub in West London is "The Duchess of Cambridge" which was 100% correct.

Have you tried Siri "The name of my favorite pub is The Swan".



I told Siri: "You can call me the swan"

Siri responded: "From now on I'll call you the swan, OK?"

I replied: "yes"

And Siri updated my contact entry:

Later, I asked Siri: "What's my name"

Siri responded: "You're The Swan. That's what you told me, anyway.

In a similar way you can tell Siri who your relatives are...
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post #104 of 220
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Have you tried Siri "The name of my favorite pub is The Swan".



I told Siri: "You can call me the swan"

Siri responded: "From now on I'll call you the swan, OK?"

I replied: "yes"

And Siri updated my contact entry:

Later, I asked Siri: "What's my name"

Siri responded: "You're The Swan. That's what you told me, anyway.

In a similar way you can tell who your relatives are...


That is impressive. Very, very cool.

Maybe the Ai is way cool, but the voice recognition is the same as always like on other systems?
post #105 of 220
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Originally Posted by lukei View Post

So in conclusion Siri doesn't work very well, should not be a primary selling feature as in Beta still and is basically a novelty that will wear off soon enough.

Controversial maybe but let's get real here

Yeah, let's get real here...

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post #106 of 220
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Everyone would, and nobody would complain.

I, and most of the staff here with iPhones, want a bigger screen, ONLY if the overall size of the iPhone stay the same. Its not just the "Levi 501" peeps, its us who carry the phone all the time, even weekends and evenings, when we have no bags . jackets etc

same width, height, but thinner with a slightly larger screen - yay
post #107 of 220
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

People will buy the i4s despite the small screen.

Have to question that one. What makes you think it is selling "despite the small screen"? You've been following these discussions enough to have seen that many people prefer the current size.
post #108 of 220
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Originally Posted by ConradJoe View Post

Siri may not be ready for Prime Time. Wonder why Apple made a front and center feature of it, rather than introduce it as an also-ran, given it is Beta.

Maybe, but I'd give it a bit more time for things to settle down - then we'll see what the verdict is. I'm not sure that it's necessarily in beta because of the software itself.
post #109 of 220
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Originally Posted by nospam2me View Post

All of a sudden this morning Siri is not working on my iphone 4S. WTF? That expensive new datacenter in NC can't handle the 1 million preorders + however many first day sales? This doesn't bode well given RIM had recent outage and people were moving from BlackBerry to iPhone. Hope this isn't true...

At 8:40am EST this morning, Siri would not respond. Constantly received this respone, "Uh oh, there's a problem. Can you try again?"

Just think if the Siri beta hadn't been limited to the 4 million iPhone 4Ses sold this weekend... and 100 million iP4s, Touches and iPads had hit Apple's servers and the Internet.

It's as if the servers were trying to take a drink out of a fire hose.


Someone once tried to come up with a a way to predict what would happen in scenario similar to this sort concentrated activity...


Something like: "What would happen if ten's of millions of concurrent requests were made for the same web site?"

After, consideration, the best answer they could come up with was: "It would be like all the urinals in New York City flushing at the same time!"


The prediction was: "Not to worry -- you'll be up to your ears in piss, first!"

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Originally Posted by Jacksons View Post

You do realize that WP7 automatically send its request to Bing if it is not a phone command, right?

Now go to Bing and type in all those Siri questions and see what happens...

Find bars in London
weather in paris
How many ounces in a pound
Square root of 345

I am not saying it will do the "siri personality" questions... but go ahead... try it... you may surprise yourself.

Note: I still don't understand why I would want to say to my phone: "Is it sunny in Paris or should I bring an umbrella?" when I can simply say "Paris weather" and get the same answer.

Why do you bring up Bing? It's a really odd choice. Everyone's using the Googles...even Google haters like me are using Google.

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post #111 of 220
Some overall thoughts on Siri...

(That's what this thread is about in spite of many attempts to hijack it... Mango, Screen Size... why not bring in the iPod HiFi, The Newton...)


Siri has some obvious problems -- some are inherent and others are due to server/bandwidth overloads, our unfamiliarity with the device, the device unfamiliar with our voice...


I think Siri will be the biggest technology accomplishment under Steve's watch!


And, yeah, the ripples created by Siri are much bigger than Apple or any single company.


Bringing Siri out now, it will excite, frustrate, motivate millions of iDevice users.

We will all learn, together, what Siri can, and can't do for us -- and both Siri and our lives will be improved:

1) The bandwidth/server power/iDevice power/performance issues can largely be resolved, over time, by throwing hardware at them.

2) The inaccuracies, missing capabilities can largely be resolved through better software (larger databases, etc.) running on that faster/better hardware.

3) When Siri exits beta, I suspect that Apple will open the APIs to 3rd-party developers -- and a million flowers will bloom...

4) Apple does not need to limit Siri [only] to the vagaries of the Internet.

5) I suspect that Apple will find a way to package and license Siri for in-house use by enterprise at local WiFi or Wired connection (Thunderbolt) speeds.


Just think of what Siri could do with data analysis and metadata within the enterprise -- going to the Internet for supplemental knowledge, when required.


If "necessity is the mother of invention"... then Apple has just placed a whole lot of need in the hands of about 4 million people...


We've all got a lot of work to do!


Thanks Steve.
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Why do you bring up Bing? It's a really odd choice. Everyone's using the Googles...even Google haters like me are using Google.

Somebody on another thread suggested that you could use Siri to Bing Alicia Keys.
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post #113 of 220
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Why do you bring up Bing? It's a really odd choice. Everyone's using the Googles...even Google haters like me are using Google.

Good one
post #114 of 220
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Originally Posted by muppetry View Post

Have to question that one. What makes you think it is selling "despite the small screen"? You've been following these discussions enough to have seen that many people prefer the current size.

The phenomena is sometimes called "the vocal minority:" the 93% of customers excitedly stand in line for a new iPhone, and some slice of the rest complain on Internet forums about their pet peeves. Small minds are incapable of grasping that anyone would disagree with them. What follows is inevitably a flow of rhetoric.

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post #115 of 220
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Originally Posted by Dick Applebaum View Post

Somebody on another thread suggested that you could use Siri to Bing Alicia Keys.

I can think of another verb I would do with Alicia Keys, and it ain't google.

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post #116 of 220
My wife and I got our 4S's today... and Siri is unbelievable. We've both used it quite a bit, mostly for sending texts and looking up a few quick things and it's obvious that it's a game changer.

Beyond the normal Siri stuff, the text dictation into any text box is flawless. Much faster than typing. It is almost 100% perfect... and that's what makes the difference. If it wasn't perfect no one would use it.

I really think that once people see what can be done with Siri and the way you interact with it they will really see the power in what apple has done here.
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On the topic of using headsets. My wife and I drove around all morning using Siri in the car with the normal built in mic on our 4S's and Siri was perfect. It's text to speech capabilities are amazing, even with background noise.

We also tried the "lift to ear" Siri activation quite a bit... and that similarly worked great. I love how when in that mode Siri will read back your text message to you so you can confirm the message before you send it without having to take your eyes off the road. Really nice touch.

Honestly, I can't understand any complaints about Siri's text-to-speech capabilities. They are spot on. My wife sat around all afternoon sending texts to her family using Siri (and the speech-to-text into a text box stuff... can we really call that Siri?) and she is completely sold that this is the future. Things like "Tell my wife I'm on my way home" are so short and simple to achieve that it really makes you wonder how we've lived without this for so long.

Now, Siri certainly has shortcomings in what it can do... but as others have mentioned that will change over time.

For now, just use Siri for what it's good at... and get a glimpse at the future of computing.
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On the topic of using headsets. My wife and I drove around all morning using Siri in the car with the normal built in mic on our 4S's and Siri was perfect. It's text to speech capabilities are amazing, even with background noise.

We also tried the "lift to ear" Siri activation quite a bit... and that similarly worked great. I love how when in that mode Siri will read back your text message to you so you can confirm the message before you send it without having to take your eyes off the road. Really nice touch.

Honestly, I can't understand any complaints about Siri's text-to-speech capabilities. They are spot on. My wife sat around all afternoon sending texts to her family using Siri (and the speech-to-text into a text box stuff... can we really call that Siri?) and she is completely sold that this is the future. Things like "Tell my wife I'm on my way home" are so short and simple to achieve that it really makes you wonder how we've lived without this for so long.

Now, Siri certainly has shortcomings in what it can do... but as others have mentioned that will change over time.

For now, just use Siri for what it's good at... and get a glimpse at the future of computing.

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post #119 of 220
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Originally Posted by Right_said_fred View Post

I, and most of the staff here with iPhones, want a bigger screen, ONLY if the overall size of the iPhone stay the same. Its not just the "Levi 501" peeps, its us who carry the phone all the time, even weekends and evenings, when we have no bags . jackets etc

same width, height, but thinner with a slightly larger screen - yay

If it were just a little bit wider and maybe a tiny bit thinner, you'd buy it.
post #120 of 220
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Originally Posted by muppetry View Post

Have to question that one. What makes you think it is selling "despite the small screen"? You've been following these discussions enough to have seen that many people prefer the current size.

It is selling like hotcakes. It has a small screen.

Nobody knows what affect the small screen is having on sales.
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