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Samsung is expected to remain the primary chip supplier for Apple and its anticipated next-generation A6 processor despite a bitter patent dispute between the two companies, according to a new report.

Citing industry sources, Korea Times reported on Monday that Apple will continue to use Samsung's chips in its next-generation iPhone. Specifically, Apple is said to have been in talks with Samsung to have it build a next-generation quad-core "A6" processor.

The report said that Apple feels Samsung remains a "critical business partner," even as the two companies are engaged in a number of lawsuits across the world, accusing the other of patent infringement.

Samsung is said to have been increasing output of Apple-designed A6 chips at a manufacturing plant the company owns in Austin, Texas. The A6 CPU is expected to utilize Samsung's 28-nanometer processing technology.

Numerous reports this year have indicated that Apple has instead partnered with Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. for production of its next-generation A6 and even A7 processors. Monday's report indicated that while TSMC will build chips for Apple in addition to Samsung, its volume will be "very small."

TSMC was said to have begun trial production of Apple's rumored A6 processor in August. The chip is expected to debut in the first half of 2012 in a new third-generation iPad from Apple.

A very public growing rift has developed between Samsung and Apple, and patent infringement lawsuits have led to the Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 being barred from sale in Australia and Germany. But even as lawsuits have mounted, Samsung has remained a crucial supplier for Apple's most popular products, including the iPhone and iPad, by building custom chips and providing other components, such as NAND flash memory.



Apple Chief Executive Tim Cook is allegedly set to meet personally with Samsung Chief Operating Officer Lee Jae-yong, son of Samsung Chairman Lee Kun-hee and heir apparent to the company. Jae-yong also attended a memorial service held for Jobs on Sunday.

The Korea Times report also includes alleged information on Apple's next-generation iPhone, the follow up to the company's just-released iPhone 4S. According to the report, industry sources indicated that the next iPhone will sport a larger 4-inch LCD display supplied by LG.

Even with the larger screen size, the next iPhone will reportedly have an identical resolution of 960-by-640 pixels. It was also said that Apple is unlike to adopt an OLED display.
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You know, politics and technology make strange bedfellows.
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Rumors about iPhone5... hmmm...

I'd find it more likely if the new chip goes into iPad3 first.

What is a phone going to do with a quad core anyways?
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Samsung is expected to remain the primary chip supplier for Apple and its anticipated next-generation A6 processor despite a bitter patent dispute between the two companies, according to a new report.



What a BURN!


It looks like Apple needs Samsung a whole lot more than Samsung needs Apple!

Samsung gives it to Apple right up the keister, and Apple turns around and begs for more! Please Mr. Samsung, I want your chips! Please be nice to me, I have no choice!

Apple is desperate if they make themselves reliant on the likes of Samsung. Maybe their Sooper Sekrit Settlement will allow Apple to suck the Samsung teat for a few more years before Sammy cuts them loose.

Unbelievable. Samsung's lawyers must be popping the Champagne corks right about now.
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What a BURN!


It looks like Apple needs Samsung a whole lot more than Samsung needs Apple!

Samsung gives it to Apple right up the keister, and Apple turns around and begs for more! Please Mr. Samsung, I want your chips! Please be nice to me, I have no choice!

Apple is desperate if they make themselves reliant on the likes of Samsung. Maybe their Sooper Sekrit Settlement will allow Apple to suck the Samsung teat for a few more years before Sammy cuts them loose.

Unbelievable. Samsung's lawyers must be popping the Champagne corks right about now.

Are you serious? This is a separate division of Samsung and I can guarantee that Samsung needs Apple as much if not more than Apple needs them. Do you have any idea how much Samsung makes for providing the CPUs? It's not like Apple is begging them for free CPUs.
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Are you serious? This is a separate division of Samsung and I can guarantee that Samsung needs Apple as much if not more than Apple needs them. Do you have any idea how much Samsung makes for providing the CPUs? It's not like Apple is begging them for free CPUs.

lol he's not serious...he's mocking those who say similar things about a reverse type situation
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What a BURN!


It looks like Apple needs Samsung a whole lot more than Samsung needs Apple!

Samsung gives it to Apple right up the keister, and Apple turns around and begs for more! Please Mr. Samsung, I want your chips! Please be nice to me, I have no choice!

Apple is desperate if they make themselves reliant on the likes of Samsung. Maybe their Sooper Sekrit Settlement will allow Apple to suck the Samsung teat for a few more years before Sammy cuts them loose.

Unbelievable. Samsung's lawyers must be popping the Champagne corks right about now.

If apple needed Samsung more than they needed apple, then Samsung would be cutting apple off for these chips, as that seems to be the only way for Samsung to apply pressure to Apple's ability to produce enough iPhones. Samsung appears to be losing in the patent battles and this is now directly causing Samsung serious damage not being able to ship galaxy tabs to several countries right now.

I think you haven't thought these comments through.

Apple right now is blocking Samsung products from being shiped and sold. Thats a direct hit on Samsungs CE division.

Truly you can't believe that Samsung would continue to supply Apple with a critical componant which is the heart of all iDevices if they did not NEED to. Because if Apples buisness wasn't very important to them, I would think this is one area that they actually CAN put the screws to apples buisiness, as it is becoming more increasingly clear that Samsung dos not hold the patents neccessary to do so in patent litigation.
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lol he's not serious...he's mocking those who say similar things about a reverse type situation

Oh. Whoops.

Carry on then.
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In discussions ≠ Agreement.
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... According to the report, industry sources indicated that the next iPhone will sport a larger 4-inch LCD display supplied by LG.

Even with the larger screen size, the next iPhone will reportedly have an identical resolution of 960-by-640 pixels. It was also said that Apple is unlike to adopt an OLED display.

Still on about larger screens? Wow, give it a rest people. I doubt the iPhone will ever sport a larger screen, and I cant remember the exact percentage, but only a small number of people were upset the 4S did not have a larger screen...

Go buy an android phone if its that important to you.

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Don't think Apple will go backwards in dpi.

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Even with the larger screen size, the next iPhone will reportedly have an identical resolution of 960-by-640 pixels.
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SApple Chief Executive Tim Cook is allegedly set to meet personally with Samsung Chief Operating Officer Lee Jae-yong, son of Samsung Chairman Lee Kun-hee and heir apparent to the company. Lee also attended a memorial service held for Jobs on Sunday.

tftfy
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Quoting the Korea Times..hmmm...brave.
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Not surprising, given that Samsung already has an advanced and very well-established chip fabrication business. Despite the numerous back-and-forth patent trolling among both companies, the deal is still mutually beneficial to each other so why not?
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Don't think Apple will go backwards in dpi.

Actually, if the screen is only going to be slightly larger (e.g. not a different product category like a 7"), they'd almost definitely go "backwards" in DPI rather than create a whole different resolution to support. It's unwieldy enough dealing with original-sized iPhone and iPod touch, retina display, and iPad resolutions. They're not going to add another resolution that's only slightly different from the current retina display just to keep from "going backwards on DPI"...

... at least, I hope not (as a developer) ...
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Originally Posted by Jcoz View Post

If apple needed Samsung more than they needed apple, then Samsung would be cutting apple off for these chips, as that seems to be the only way for Samsung to apply pressure to Apple's ability to produce enough iPhones. Samsung appears to be losing in the patent battles and this is now directly causing Samsung serious damage not being able to ship galaxy tabs to several countries right now.

I think you haven't thought these comments through.

Apple right now is blocking Samsung products from being shiped and sold. Thats a direct hit on Samsungs CE division.

Truly you can't believe that Samsung would continue to supply Apple with a critical componant which is the heart of all iDevices if they did not NEED to. Because if Apples buisness wasn't very important to them, I would think this is one area that they actually CAN put the screws to apples buisiness, as it is becoming more increasingly clear that Samsung dos not hold the patents neccessary to do so in patent litigation.

Samsung is a very diversified company. They make all kinds of electronic components, like CPUs, Flash, DRAM, LCD displays as well as consumer goods. They could do without the Apple CPU business and barely miss a beat.

On the other hand, if Samsung just terminated their A4, A5 production at the earlier date that their contract allowed, Apple would be a world of hurt. More than half of the profits come from the related products.

Apple should going after Google and Android. Google search is nice, but there are other search engines.
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Don't think Apple will go backwards in dpi.

dpi is just a spec. Apple doesn't care about specs. Apple cares about profitability, and if a lower dpi spec would yield more profits in the long haul, Apple would go to lower dpi. Apple customers don't care about specs.

You think Grandma cares about specs? "I like this one with the big screen so I can see it better." "But Grandma, that one has lower dpi!" "Lower dpi! Why didn't you says so! I'm all about the dpi spec! Screw seeing the screen! I want the most dpi's!"

I don't think so. If making more profits were likely with lower dpi, Apple would lower dpi. Specs are for geekazoids, and Apple doesn't care about geekazoids. Not anymore.
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Not surprising, given that Samsung already has an advanced and very well-established chip fabrication business. Despite the numerous back-and-forth patent trolling among both companies, the deal is still mutually beneficial to each other so why not?

Exactly. People think the legal maneuvering is like two neighbors going back and forth about building a fence on the property line. They're going to do what's best for the company. Apple needs Samsung and Samsung need Apple.
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Exactly. People think the legal maneuvering is like two neighbors going back and forth about building a fence on the property line. They're going to do what's best for the company. Apple needs Samsung and Samsung need Apple.


even a dog knows better than to bite the hand that feeds it. And unless Apple can eat chips, it will not forget where they come from.


Maybe someday Apple will be able to punish Samsung. But as of now, they funnel profits to Samsung. Hey - I don't blame Apple. Its not like there is excess capacity in the chip biz. All the fabs are doing gangbusters. Samsung is well-positioned to make lots of cash from Apple fans.

The smart money, the 1%ers, already hold Apple. The 1% is holding AAPL and going long on SE.
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What a BURN!


It looks like Apple needs Samsung a whole lot more than Samsung needs Apple!

Samsung gives it to Apple right up the keister, and Apple turns around and begs for more! Please Mr. Samsung, I want your chips! Please be nice to me, I have no choice!

Apple is desperate if they make themselves reliant on the likes of Samsung. Maybe their Sooper Sekrit Settlement will allow Apple to suck the Samsung teat for a few more years before Sammy cuts them loose.

Unbelievable. Samsung's lawyers must be popping the Champagne corks right about now.

Apple is most likely Samsung's largest customer...enough said.
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Samsung is a very diversified company. They make all kinds of electronic components, like CPUs, Flash, DRAM, LCD displays as well as consumer goods. They could do without the Apple CPU business and barely miss a beat.

On the other hand, if Samsung just terminated their A4, A5 production at the earlier date that their contract allowed, Apple would be a world of hurt. More than half of the profits come from the related products.

Apple should going after Google and Android. Google search is nice, but there are other search engines.

Well that's my point. I know very well that Samsung is well diversified and even though apple is thier biggest customer I still think apples orders constitute a single digit % of samsungs revenue. That said, apples buisiness obviously means more to samsung than you might think just looking at %'s because Samsung has not apparently tried to use thier semiconductor division as a club with which to make apple soften thier stances with samsungs CE division and sales.
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Rumors about iPhone5... hmmm...

I'd find it more likely if the new chip goes into iPad3 first.

What is a phone going to do with a quad core anyways?

You must have missed this line in the article? "The chip is expected to debut in the first half of 2012 in a new third-generation iPad from Apple."
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Rumors about iPhone5... hmmm...

I'd find it more likely if the new chip goes into iPad3 first.

What is a phone going to do with a quad core anyways?

Mmm... A faster/more core CPU and GPU; more RAM; larger SSD;...

I wonder what Siri could do with a setup like that -- maybe not need help from the cloud as frequently...
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Quad core? It's crazy how fast these mobile CPUs are developing.
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Not surprising, given that Samsung already has an advanced and very well-established chip fabrication business. Despite the numerous back-and-forth patent trolling among both companies, the deal is still mutually beneficial to each other so why not?

I keep wondering why Apple doesn't cut a deal with Intel to manufacture its ARM chips.
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Don't think Apple will go backwards in dpi.

plus, increasing the screen size but keeping the resolution??? couldn't you get the same effect by holding the phone closer to your face?
what is the point?
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Like it or not, Samsung doesn't need Apple. All Samsung needs is the South Korean government. In the end, Samsung can be losing money for years and won't matter because of government support.
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Like it or not, Samsung doesn't need Apple. All Samsung needs is the South Korean government. In the end, Samsung can be losing money for years and won't matter because of government support.

Not being able to sell phones anywhere won't matter due to government support? How much support are they getting?

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...Apple will continue to use Samsung's chips in its next-generation iPhone.

These are NOT Samsung's chips. These are chips designed/owned/created by Apple and manufactured by Samsung. Big difference. Apple, therefore, can have any other manufacturer make these chips for them, it's their choice.

Correct me if I am wrong.
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It is precisely because they have the freedom to choose any manufacturer that it's noteworthy that their choice is Samsung.

Um?

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post #33 of 86
Can't we just enjoy the iP4S for now? Why are the iP5 rumors starting already??

On second thought, I heard for a legit source it will record my lectures and take my tests for me.
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You think Grandma cares about specs?

Yes I do. Without her specs, it is unlikely grandma could see the screen at all.
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Even with the larger screen size, the next iPhone will reportedly have an identical resolution of 960-by-640 pixels.

+1!

If there is one thing I don't need in a larger screen, it's smaller pixels.

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Can't we just enjoy the iP4S for now? Why are the iP5 rumors starting already??

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These are NOT Samsung's chips. These are chips designed/owned/created by Apple and manufactured by Samsung. Big difference. Apple, therefore, can have any other manufacturer make these chips for them, it's their choice.

Correct me if I am wrong.

You are correct although some of the standard libraries might contain Samsung IP, the bigger issue IMO with dual sourcing the A6 at 28NM is Samsung is using Gate First process and TSCM is using Gate Last. This will require two separate design flows, which while not impossible the spacing and design rules would not be the same so I put the rumor in the crazy category. I would expect maybe Samsung does a die shrink on the A5 for the lower end devices if Apple moves to a 2nd design. A6 quad core, A5 plus dual core A9 on 28NM. Apple already has two 45NM designs the A4 & A5, why not two designs for the low & high end.
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Dunno what the big hullabaloo is about. Jobs may have done a fair amount of posturing against Samsung, and it's true Cook was talking about distancing itself from them, but in the end, pragmatism won out. I won't be surprised if someone here drops another "ZOMGLOLROFLLMAO Apple jumping back in bed with Samsung!!!!" line. But let's face it. TSMC has yet to prove its reliability and Samsung's foundry operations have proven reliable and true to form over time.


I think this was the most rational play Apple could've made. Let's just enjoy the pricing competitiveness this will bring Apple. And if you're a shareholder, you should be rejoicing even more.
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...and Samsung is one of Apple's largest suppliers.

There are very few companies in the world with the scope of manufacturing capacity Samsung has.

All the hate-theater that makes up so much of AI's forum postings is disconnected from the complex relationships of the real world.

As I write this, the presidents of both companies are chatting in Cook's office. I hate to break it to the regulars here, but I doubt Cook is beating Lee with a bludgeon.

When it's all said and done, Apple and Samsung will write each other checks and go on to remain partners, and the regulars here will have to migrate their hate to other enemies du jour...

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MacRulez, what exactly are you expecting from an Apple fan blog? You'll be hard-pressed to find anyone who keeps up with news in the business tech world let alone someone who actually works in the manufacturing contracting business. Believe it or not, people here were proposing that Apple just buy up all its competitors and form a monopoly. Luckily, I run across a few posters every now and then who demonstrate an incisiveness knowledge of the issues.


While a lot of these posts are worth reading for the giggles, you'll set yourself up for disappoint if you put others here to a high standard.
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